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Badrien
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This game could REALLY use some collision detection in the combat : /
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 13:09 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | tet666 wrote: | | Casus wrote: |
Doesn't really matter if it's 100 or 200 - the point is that you can't create an MMO and make a dynamically changing persistent world that revolves around a single person as in Skyrim.
You can't have 100% smooth combat with a hundred people running around - as the server needs to respond immediately to everyone.
You either understand this and accept the inherent limitations, or you'll be disappointed.
As it is, I think it's a very interesting take on a familiar genre - and I'm looking forward to playing it.
I hate the F2P model because it's so easy to exploit and people are too stupid to regulate their money. People are screaming for it - because they think saving money is more important than having fun with a game that's not bogged down in cash shop superfluous crap items.
The subscription model obligates the developers to create significant content on a regular basis - or they'll lose subscribers. That's the good part of it.
15$ pr. month if you're having fun and you're playing several hours pr. week is a very good deal.
Look at GW2 and their B2P model - which was fantastic in theory, but their updates are among the most shallow I've ever seen - and their cash shop allows you to trade real money for in-game gold and you can essentially buy the best gear ASAP. If that's what you prefer - great, but I don't.
Then again, I consider GW2 the most shallow piece of shit MMO I've ever played. Talk about Emperor's New Clothes in a very big way. |
So they dont exploit this game with Box Price+ Sub +CASH SHOP ?
There is not even a way to exploit an MMO any further if you ask me. |
Depends on what they put in the cash shop. If they go the GW2 way of letting you buy power, then I'd stop playing. I don't like that.
But, unlike you, I don't judge games until I know a bit about them. |
I played it, its shit thats all i need to know.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 13:39 Post subject: |
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| Badrien wrote: | | This game could REALLY use some collision detection in the combat : / |
This is the biggest issue for me. If they sort that I'd probably buy it although I do need to play a bit more and take a bigger look at the classes. I think most people expected a TES game with multiplayer rather than a MMO TES game.
The opening part of the game made me think of TES for sure! I'm not sure what people dislike, apart from the usual MMO hate people throw around on the forum.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 13:44 Post subject: |
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Well, i for one love MMORPGs. And the first few weeks are often the most fun in one. When everything is still new for most people and everyone is still learning.
Also with most MMORGPs i played, i could feel during the first minutes this is going to be great and i can't stop playing. "Just one more level", "just one more quest for a new item", etc.
I had none of those feelings in my 45 minutes of playtime with this game sadly.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 13:51 Post subject: |
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after all this talk i wanna try the game, anyone got a spare key?
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 14:08 Post subject: |
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| D34Dite wrote: | | love the way they can enforce the NDA... you take a screenie - your login nick is all over the screen, so if its posted to internetz they will know who took it, and presumably blacklist them |
Same in Wildstar beta atm, but for that there is an injector that actually gets rid of it 
So there might be one the same for this beta 
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 14:30 Post subject: |
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At some time, in wow I think, your user was "encrypted" in a pattern of pixels across the screen. It took some the and lots of people were banned until someone found out.
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Badrien
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 15:48 Post subject: |
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Was and is actually sad to see that most people are rushing through everything. Hardly taking a look at the less obvious pathways, running so focused towards their quest mark that they don't spot chests and such 
The ones like me (whom take their time and explore) really stand out because of this xD For every 20 speed-runners you get 1 explorer xD Chat is also filled with really stupid questions, but that usually happens with 'open' beta's and people not taking their time.
The occasional RP'rs are fun. No one around for miles and they still doing their thing for you to bump into xD
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 16:25 Post subject: |
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Is the game down at the moment?
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 16:42 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 18:12 Post subject: |
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Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this doesn't feel like an elder scrolls game at all right ?
Also the combat is clunky as hell.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 18:23 Post subject: |
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| KaiserSoze666 wrote: | | KillaSeven wrote: | The only thing I like so far is the exploring part, really feels like Morrowind...But besides that its really really meh. And what really bothers me is that you cant do the main story quest after lvl 10 ... Dont know why they fear spoilers, the story seemed pretty shitty in the beginning ( playing a dark elf ).
B2P would be okay, but P2P is just not worth it for this game. |
In Morrowind you'd get your arse kicked by a mudcrab as soon as you arrived off the ship... In this you're stomping everything in sight whilst still in your crappy clothes. |
Yeah, though my dark elf nightblade got his ass kicked anyway at the start ( dual wielding wasnt that good until I got some decent weapons )
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russ80
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 21:09 Post subject: |
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Cant log in, my characters all failed to load
LAWL
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 22:14 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | tet666 wrote: | | Casus wrote: |
Depends on what they put in the cash shop. If they go the GW2 way of letting you buy power, then I'd stop playing. I don't like that.
But, unlike you, I don't judge games until I know a bit about them. |
I played it, its shit thats all i need to know. |
You mean you knew it was shit and then you played it, in that order right?
It's funny when people want something to suck - they'll always find a way to make it true.
Enjoy whatever kind of MMO you prefer |
I have a funny streak where, when I think I'll dislike something and it ends up being quite good, I can get over my initial feelings.
For example: I utterly hated and despised Steam 5 years ago. I mean, we're talking true seething hate. It was half broken, severely limited what you could do with your collection, was too expensive for being digital, slow download speeds, no real added value, etc. etc. Since then, they massively improved the community element, made download speeds top notch, added stability, Steam sales have pushed stores to drop their prices and in general, I was impressed by how they stepped up their game. I still don't like the way things are going in general with digital games, but Steam is not the worst anymore (Uplay, I'm looking at you) and stuff like syncing savegames are a cool bonus.
Having said that, I was surprised how weak TESO feels. It has "amateur hour" written all over it - it lacks polish and has a lot of rough stuff in there. If you think this is because it's a beta, you're kidding yourself. The pacing is wrong, the approach is wrong - heck, this MMO has one of the worst starts I can recall. It feels lazy and short and not interesting AT ALL. There's almost nothing in the game to grab me - graphically it's good but that's it. The atmosphere doesn't feel Elder Scrolls (the art style is too different for that) and the combat is just not going to cut it for an MMO.
Also, I feel I should clear this once and for all: yes, Skyrim and Oblivion had similar combat BUT BUT BUT they offered a completely different world and approach. I can forgive such combat in an open RPG - I cannot forgive it in a more linear MMO where you're being led along a path filled with monsters your level. Also, vanilla combat sucks by default in Elder Scroll games and only mods managed to make it interesting. The MMO has no such thing (obviously). Heck, this goes for Bethesda games on the whole. Fallout 3 had masses of flaws as well, most of which mods fixed or flattened. And yet the MMO seems to take some of these flaws as if it's going to appeal to TES fans. *facepalms*
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 23:13 Post subject: |
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Well I've played a bit more of the game and I'm still convinced it has everything it needs to be a good game, but it isn't there yet. The engine is good, graphics are good, the setting is good and so far I'm reasonably happy with the story (personally I really enjoyed the start but would of prefered it to be a solo instance with more atmosphere..)..
Things it needs to improve however are currently totally gameplay destroying. The combat is balls, utter utter balls. Its way to slow, not accurate enough and generally boring. The atmosphere in the game is lacking massively, the start of the game could be amazing but it doesn't feel like "hell".. I just want more from it as a TES game.. I wont be giving up on it completely but they'll need to convince me with some greatly improved combat. Going to give the mage class a try now, see if thats any better.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jan 2014 23:41 Post subject: |
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I am quite enjoying it. I think it has polish and all the features seem to be in there. A few more months of tweaking and I think it will be pretty good.
However whether or not I would be willing to subscribe, I don't think so. Subscription days are over.
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Jan 2014 00:07 Post subject: |
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Honestly the "MMO" ruined it for me. To see so many players running around doing the same shit just ruins immersion for me. I don't mind it in WoW because I never played it for the immersion. I don't mind it in TSW for the same reason. And I don't really mind it in TOR because the game had too many problems that already gets in the way of it.
But if TES, I was hoping to be able to do that in a world that I'm interested and used to getting immersed in. Because that's what the main games do. And its hard to have that when all I'm doing is running from point A to point b only to press E. I don't get to fight anything because everyone else does it before I could, even though it made sense for me to have encountered hostile forces there.
Also, holy shit fast travel is expensive right from the beginning. My quest reward gave me 75g and teleport cost 36g? Then they have the balls to say otherwise with their "tips"?
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russ80
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Jan 2014 09:39 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | Well I've played a bit more of the game and I'm still convinced it has everything it needs to be a good game, but it isn't there yet. The engine is good, graphics are good, the setting is good and so far I'm reasonably happy with the story (personally I really enjoyed the start but would of prefered it to be a solo instance with more atmosphere..)..
Things it needs to improve however are currently totally gameplay destroying. The combat is balls, utter utter balls. Its way to slow, not accurate enough and generally boring. The atmosphere in the game is lacking massively, the start of the game could be amazing but it doesn't feel like "hell".. I just want more from it as a TES game.. I wont be giving up on it completely but they'll need to convince me with some greatly improved combat. Going to give the mage class a try now, see if thats any better. |
Graphics are good? I haven't played the beta myself but from youtube it looks worse than every MMO out there released recently (as in you know, big non f2p ones).
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Jan 2014 09:52 Post subject: |
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It's very pretty - and the landscapes/vistas are downright beautiful. The textures are quite high res overall - and it looks sort of like Age of Conan taken to the next level.
The animations aren't perfect - and AoC is better there, but at least movement is extremely responsive and UI interaction is super smooth, unlike a lot of current MMOs.
Best part of the visuals is the variety in the zones so far. I've seen 4-5 zones and they've all had a unique aesthetic and atmosphere - and there's a very competent weather system, with rain/thunder - significant lighting/mood changes and so on.
It's just very good looking.
The one bad thing about the visuals, however, is the lip syncing. That's just awful, unfortunately.
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russ80
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Jan 2014 09:55 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | It's very pretty - and the landscapes/vistas are downright beautiful. The textures are quite high res overall - and it looks sort of like Age of Conan taken to the next level.
The animations aren't perfect - and AoC is better there, but at least movement is extremely responsive and UI interaction is super smooth, unlike a lot of current MMOs.
Best part of the visuals is the variety in the zones so far. I've seen 4-5 zones and they've all had a unique aesthetic and atmosphere - and there's a very competent weather system, with rain/thunder - significant lighting/mood changes and so on.
It's just very good looking.
The one bad thing about the visuals, however, is the lip syncing. That's just awful, unfortunately. |
Couid you link me any youtube vid that shows these beautiful graphics? Because like i said, every one i've seen made it look like complete shit. Not sure what your standards are though.
And by shit i mean that even skyrim (non-modded) looks better.
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Jan 2014 09:55 Post subject: |
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| russ80 wrote: | | Graphics are good? I haven't played the beta myself but from youtube it looks worse than every MMO out there released recently (as in you know, big non f2p ones). |
Graphics are good. But some areas dont look as good as others. You can see, that the environemt has fewer polygons. The outdoor areas are good. The dungeons look really really nice (for an MMO).
Its definitly one of thr good looking MMOs except some areas that are an exception.
The game has a high count of details for an mmo. Some shaders are really nice and the viewdistance is really high too.
What disturbs the most are those ridicules bad animations and some effects that are over the top.
But overal it look good for an MMO.
You wont see many videos or screenshots because of the watermarks... i would like to post some but.. i dont want to get banned
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