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 Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 13:58 Post subject: Building new PC |
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Hey guys.
So I'm building new pc at the range price of 2000$
Already got the rig in mind,but if you have few adjustments for the better let me know.
Intel Core i7 4770K Haswell 3.5Ghz 8MB L3 Cache s1150 - Box - 482$
Gigabyte GA-Z87-HD3 LGA1150, Intel Z87, DDR3 1600 - 165$
Kingston HyperX Beast 2x8GB DDR3 1600MHz - 271$
Gigabyte GTX770 OC 4GB GDDR5 -565$
Seagate 2TB Barracuda Sata III ST2000DM001 -130$
Corsair Force GS CSSD-F128GBGS-BK 128GB SSD Sata III MLC Retail - 140$
Antec High Current Gamer 750W Modular Active PFC 13.5cm PSU HCG-750M Retail -160$
CoolerMaster CM Storm Enforcer Black ATX -138$
So here are the specs, what do you think ? maybe I can get something better for this price ?
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 14:02 Post subject: |
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You can get alot better for that price.
I cant help alot since I dont know the usual shops in US but for that price you should at least aim for 780Ti/290X, 250GB SSD.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 14:08 Post subject: |
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I might be completely wrong but:
1) i7 is an overshot if You are only playing to be gaming.
2)ram is irrelevant. i5 and i7 cpu's are not using it for oc or anything so kingstone blu should be ok.
3)You want bigger ssd. Remember. the bigger ssd is, the faster it is. 128gb is Your minimum for system drive.
4)750W is overshot if You are not planning on sli.
5)as for gpu. Amd and nvidia are about the same when it comes to the top models. Amd is just cheaper. R280x should be more than enough
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 14:14 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: |
5)as for gpu. Amd and nvidia are about the same when it comes to the top models. Amd is just cheaper. R280x should be more than enough |
Seriously, If he's got the cash, why not go for 290/290X ?
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 15:13 Post subject: |
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i assume this rig will be primarily used for gaming and home entertainment? then why are you wasting so much money on a CPU that is intended for video editing / rendering?
instead of 4770K get a 4670K and instead of GTX770 get a GTX780. this combo is far better for gaming.
also 60GB ssd you are just burning money there, what's even the point of such tiny SSD? you'll install OS and 1 small game at best? you'll boot OS slightly faster, but all your games will still be loading from slow ass HDD. i don't understand when people get tiny SSD nowadays.
Samsung 840 evo 250GB is more than affordable now.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 15:16 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | Its always a waste of money, even if one have some cash  top high end are always replaced by next gen mids/high for cheaper in couple of months |
Yes, that only goes for high-end, it's not as if mid-end gets replaced by former high-end at that same point in time 
And in this case, the next batch of high-end cards is still 6 months away. Maxwell (the mid/high-end chips; 107 is low-end) isn't launching any time soon, unless Nvidia set it up to be a disappointment by doing it on 28nm.
| couleur wrote: | | You can get alot better for that price. |
What do you expect from someone with Heineken as avatar 
@ OP: Seriously though? For the amount of cash you're looking to spend, you're skimping on weird parts of the system. Getting a 4770K and 16 GiB of RAM, but then picking an Antec HCG to power it all? HCG PSUs are far from bad, but they're not exactly as high-end as the rest of the parts you picked. Same for getting just a 60 GB SSD; 120-250 GB SSDs have a better $/GB ratio right now.
How much does that selection come out to already? It would help if you gave us an indication of what each part costs right now  |
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 15:55 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | I might be completely wrong but:
1) i7 is an overshot if You are only playing to be gaming.
2)ram is irrelevant. i5 and i7 cpu's are not using it for oc or anything so kingstone blu should be ok.
3)You want bigger ssd. Remember. the bigger ssd is, the faster it is. 128gb is Your minimum for system drive.
4)750W is overshot if You are not planning on sli.
5)as for gpu. Amd and nvidia are about the same when it comes to the top models. Amd is just cheaper. R280x should be more than enough |
i7 certainly aint "overshot" anymore.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 16:50 Post subject: |
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Thanks for your comments guys!
So i've edited my post with price for each part and also after reading your comments I've upgraded the SSD drive to Corsair Force GS CSSD-F128GBGS-BK 128GB SSD Sata III MLC Retail.
Any other part that you think I must change ?
And also as you guessed,this rig build primary for gaming but also to play around with VMWARE.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 17:15 Post subject: |
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A bigger SSD would be a wise choice...
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 18:03 Post subject: |
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| Vladi wrote: | Thanks for your comments guys!
So i've edited my post with price for each part and also after reading your comments I've upgraded the SSD drive to Corsair Force GS CSSD-F128GBGS-BK 128GB SSD Sata III MLC Retail.
Any other part that you think I must change ?
And also as you guessed,this rig build primary for gaming but also to play around with VMWARE. |
See, that helps 
| Quote: | Intel Core i7 4770K Haswell 3.5Ghz 8MB L3 Cache s1150 - Box - 482$
Gigabyte GA-Z87-HD3 LGA1150, Intel Z87, DDR3 1600 - 165$
Kingston HyperX Beast 2x8GB DDR3 1600MHz - 271$
Gigabyte GTX770 OC 4GB GDDR5 -565$
Seagate 2TB Barracuda Sata III ST2000DM001 -130$
Corsair Force GS CSSD-F128GBGS-BK 128GB SSD Sata III MLC Retail - 140$
Antec High Current Gamer 750W Modular Active PFC 13.5cm PSU HCG-750M Retail -160$
CoolerMaster CM Storm Enforcer Black ATX -138$ |
Where are you from if I may ask? That 4770K is ridiculously expensive. I paid €280 for mine; that's $380 (which includes 21% VAT) so $482 is retarded. You're also paying way too much for the RAM, the Beast series is a waste of money. Look in the price range of the HyperX Black at most. 4GB is also quite wasted on a GTX 770 really.
I think all together you can easily shave off $500 just by picking more sensible parts (RAM, GPU) and hopefully you can get that 4770K cheaper. All of that you should put towards getting a Samsung Evo 250 GB (at the very least, go for a Samsung Pro/Evo 120 GB, they're just better drives than the Corsair Forces). |
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 20:07 Post subject: |
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Okay well, seems you're fucked on prices then.
So are you planning to overclock the CPU? At the moment, that 4770K is just becoming more and more of a waste of money, it's just way too expensive for the little gain you get
VMWare + HT isn't the most ideal combination either; so depending on whether you're looking to overclock, I'd suggest dropping to a 4670K. If you're not going to overclock (in before anyone goes BUT WHY !?!?! - some people just don't feel comfortable, even though it's ridiculously easy on SB/IB/HW) do yourself a favour and get a 4770 or 4670 non-K. Then you get the virtualisation features, which will be more beneficial to VMWare.
Besides that: definitely drop the Beast RAM - can't recommend anything in particular without knowing what you can get, but something like Corsair Vengeance, Kingston HyperX Black instead of Beast etcetera is all you need. |
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 20:35 Post subject: |
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Nope.not planning to overclock the cpu at the moment.
The difference between the 4770k and 4770 is 40$ so getting 4770 instead of the k version won't make a real difference ?
And the funny thing that the corsair vengeance 2X8GB costs more then the BEAST RAM.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 20:39 Post subject: |
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Which Vengeance series is that? There's multiple of those too. Got any site you can link to where we can see what's available?
As for K versus non-K: on the non-K you'll get VT-d, which makes virtualisation a little better and last I checked, VMWare can make full use of that. For that $40 you lose VT-d in order to get an unlocked multiplier; that's a nasty marketing decision Intel made
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 21:26 Post subject: |
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Jesus, that's quite a limited selection 
Anyway, the 750 ILS Ripjaws will be fine. There's no real difference between them or the 200 ILS (or 57 USD) more expensive "Beast" ones. Same data rate, same latency. http://en.ksp.co.il/?list_compare=.17562..16277 - in both cases, the timing is 9-9-9/2 and the XMP profile is the one that runs at 1600 data rate
Obviously still up to you, but I personally don't see the point of paying 200 ILS more for nothing
Those prices are insane though, I feel for you, Leo and all the other Israelis on the hump. That same Kingston set is about 735 ILS here.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2014 21:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Jan 2014 06:55 Post subject: |
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Well the sapphire 290 Tri-X costs 117$ more then the GTX770
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Jan 2014 09:31 Post subject: |
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You mean it costs 565$ + 117 = 682$ ?
Well, ok, that is alot too much then. How about 280X?
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Jan 2014 09:41 Post subject: |
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R9 290 is a significant step up from a 770 as well though.
I assume you're gaming at 1080p? In that case, get one of these Vladi: http://en.ksp.co.il/?list_compare=.19836..21294.
That 4 GiB is completely wasted on a 770 at 1080p. By the time it actually needs that amount of VRAM, it'll be bottlenecked elsewhere. The premium for 4GB on the 770 is absolutely not worth it. 3GB on the 280X works because it has far more bandwidth than the 770.
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Jan 2014 11:16 Post subject: I have left. |
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Jan 2014 11:56 Post subject: |
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Afaik the price increase only happens in the americas, mostly the north one.
If you don't plan on video editing and the like, or overclocking, get the 4670 and use those money towards a 290. I have a 4670k, I cannot be more happy with it. I can stream with it, I can compress with it, the i7 is imo a waste of money. Hell, you can ask the people around here about my stream sessions, there's barely any fps issues and what lag is there is because of my Internet connection. Also, I would go for a Corsair or Seasonic PSU if possible, but stay away from CS series, get RM or HX (afaik HX is rebranded seasonic), if you can afford it. A CX650/CX650M should also be great, although I don't know a lot of stuff about them, such as what OEMs are used. I would also save some money by going with a Zalman case. Lots of airflow and features for a relatively smaller price (here). I am quite happy with the Z11 Plus but I plan on replacing with an MS800 quite soon, I absolutely hate the chipmunk cheeks.
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I would seriously consider to drop the 4GB 770 and try to get a 290 (Sapphire Tri-X, if available) instead.
