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| Which squeezes the most out of the Haswell platform? |
| Asus ROG Maximus VI Hero |
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33% |
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| Asus TUF Sabertooth Z87 |
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0% |
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| Asus Z87-Pro |
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50% |
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| Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD5H |
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16% |
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ClaudeFTW
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 Posted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 13:52 Post subject: [Overclocking] Maximus VI Hero or Z87 Sabertooth? |
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Good day gents, Claude with another informational thread here. Internet yielded me no proper response, everyone kept saying they have the same number of features but I am not convinced so therefore I am seeking the best response from the wise people around here.
I am in the market for a good, new mobo and my budget would be 200 euros plus give or take 20-30. My current Gigabyte, while very satisfied with it, I feel like I'm doing an injustice to my CPU by sticking with this. I also wish to overclock it to somewhere around 4.5 GHz, with a closed loop cooler, or a custom open loop in case I want to put in the time, which I probably will.
There are also two options added to the poll, including another Gigabyte board which seems to be pretty great and an Asus board which is pretty popular here.
Thank you in advance, and please excuse me for asking what seem to be idiotic questions, but I want to research stuff before purchasing and I would rather listen to the advice of the people around here, as opposed to reddit or tomshardware.
Also, I am sticking to Gigabyte or Asus because other manufacturers have much higher RMA rates than these two, with ASRock and MSI being the worst, and experience dictates I stick with what I know, however, I am open to other suggestions besides the 4 included in the poll.
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 13:55 Post subject: |
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Personally I'd never even consider Mobos in that pricerange, I have an P8Z77-V ASUS, which OCs perfectly well.
I'd say all those boards should be good enough and its only a question of extra features you need or want.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 13:58 Post subject: |
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Ignore ROG and Sabertooth crap. Overpriced to hell and back.
You don't need such an extreme motherboard to hit 4.5 at all. And between the other two, just look at their feature sets and PCI-slot layout.
On a Z87-GD65 myself and I had 0 issues hitting 4.5.
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 13:59 Post subject: |
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I see.
I only seek durability in the long term. This is an issue because Haswell is so much hotter and if I may say, shittier when it comes to OC and temps compared to Sandy Bridge. I had an i5 2500k which I gave to the missus to use for PS and AE and so on, I overclocked it to 4.5 easily with the same cooler as mine, but when I tried to take my i5 to the same freq, the temps were too high and I immediately reverted to stock, it's clear I have to use liquid cooling or delid and I have the impression delidding would cost me much more if I fail. Thankfully, I paid no money for it and it was a present for my birthday along with the mobo.
Thank you for your input.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 14:15 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I had a cheaper msi board (half price of the RoG) compared to my rog for my AMD cpu. No difference when it comes to OC'ing there tbh.
I just got the RoG because of features and extra slots/expansions etc.
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Werelds
Special Little Man
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 15:31 Post subject: |
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| ClaudeFTW wrote: | I see.
I only seek durability in the long term. This is an issue because Haswell is so much hotter and if I may say, shittier when it comes to OC and temps compared to Sandy Bridge. I had an i5 2500k which I gave to the missus to use for PS and AE and so on, I overclocked it to 4.5 easily with the same cooler as mine, but when I tried to take my i5 to the same freq, the temps were too high and I immediately reverted to stock, it's clear I have to use liquid cooling or delid and I have the impression delidding would cost me much more if I fail. Thankfully, I paid no money for it and it was a present for my birthday along with the mobo.
Thank you for your input. |
Well I'm not gonna comment on temps and such much, since I came from an old Lynnfield (first generation i5) with a big air cooler to this Haswell i7 with an H100i so I can't make any direct comparison that's useful to you 
That said, on that i5 I used an MSI P55-GD65 and I had that running at 4.2 for 3 years straight. Sometimes when I felt like tinkering I pushed it to 4.4 or 4.5 (which it did just fine, I just wasn't happy with those temps, Lynnfield is not as good as Sandy  ), but for 85% of those 3 years it was at 4.2. And it was the CPU that gave up before the motherboard did  |
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 16:08 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | I love ROG motherboards because of the color scheme  , dont have much options if i want black&red theme. Anyway, just get the Z87-Pro if you dont care about aesthetics. Also yeah, you dont need "extreme" mobo for Haswell OC, or SB/IVy, they require only decent voltage tweaking options, at old times you overclocked with FSB, it was very crucial to have very good quality mobo. |
A good alternative to the Pro seems to be the z87x-oc from Gigabyte.
Hm. Did not expect to compile a list so short in such a short amount of time.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 17:47 Post subject: |
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voted Asus Z87-Pro
all these ROG and Sabertooth mobos are stupid waste of money, IMO.
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jan 2014 12:17 Post subject: |
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Decided on the Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC as it offers pretty much what I'm searching for. Now all that remains is an SSD, a new PSU and a new video card.
I would like to thank everyone for the input, I know it's not easy reading through stupid questions but I like to know the opinion of people I trust (as far as it goes for a forum).
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jan 2014 15:33 Post subject: |
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Samsung 840 evo SSD, 450-550w platinum rated PSU and GTX 780/R9-290 as GPU.
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jan 2014 17:27 Post subject: |
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I won't even argue about the SSD, that model is my first and only choice for SSD's. I was thinking of a Corsair RM650, since it's fully modular and I have a bag of sleeved cables just sitting around and a Gigabyte 780 GHz. Gonna be a while tho, but it's going to be slow and steady. Also, I sent the Z11 back, I hated it. Put some more money and got a Carbide 500R.
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jan 2014 17:54 Post subject: |
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| ClaudeFTW wrote: | | Put some more money and got a Carbide 500R. |
excellent choice, that's what i have, best case i ever owned.
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Frant
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jan 2014 20:36 Post subject: |
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With my 2500K on my Sabertooth P67 I hit 5GHz with an old Noctua U12 but it wasn't intel burn-stable. 4.9 was stable but temps hit 90 (old crappy cooler). 4.8 was a happy medium, 1.3v and ~80c on the cores on average during load. There's a lot to say about phase stability when it comes to overclocking the system (even if you keep the rest at normal speeds the CPU will simply push/pull more data between different areas which means that a good 8+2-phased board with solid jap caps are quite important for the overall stability when pushing the limits of air cooled overclocking since there's more to it than just juice up the CPU cores.
On the other hand I'm running it at 4.2GHz these days with Intel Speedstep (ie. it drops to 1.6 when the load is negligible). It's the first time I've felt it's pointless to push the very limits of the CPU. Same with GPU. I have MSI Afterburner installed but it's not autostarting. I guess I feel no need to boost the electricity bill when I no longer play games (for some unknown reason).
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jan 2014 21:05 Post subject: |
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I'll try OC-ing on the CPU AFTER I install some liquid cooling. As I said countless times, I am really bummed by Haswell, it's really hot in comparison to SB. The only upside to it is the reduced TDP and some newly added instruction sets which I will probably never use and have no idea what they are anyway. Heh, I can't wait for this to arrive, I am so glad I didn't fork over useless cash for a silly "thermal" armor or ROG.
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iNs
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Feb 2014 01:41 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | With my 2500K on my Sabertooth P67 I hit 5GHz with an old Noctua U12 but it wasn't intel burn-stable. 4.9 was stable but temps hit 90 (old crappy cooler). 4.8 was a happy medium, 1.3v and ~80c on the cores on average during load. There's a lot to say about phase stability when it comes to overclocking the system (even if you keep the rest at normal speeds the CPU will simply push/pull more data between different areas which means that a good 8+2-phased board with solid jap caps are quite important for the overall stability when pushing the limits of air cooled overclocking since there's more to it than just juice up the CPU cores.
On the other hand I'm running it at 4.2GHz these days with Intel Speedstep (ie. it drops to 1.6 when the load is negligible). It's the first time I've felt it's pointless to push the very limits of the CPU. Same with GPU. I have MSI Afterburner installed but it's not autostarting. I guess I feel no need to boost the electricity bill when I no longer play games (for some unknown reason). |
In terms of power delivery, with Haswell, it got even simplier, since it has IVR Really, unless you're planning some insane overclocking, the choice of motherboard is stricly quality/feature based, honestly. The OC results barely differ for almost all of the z87 mobos.
ps. using steps as well, gettin ma ballz down to 800, although still kept override instead of auto offset.
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