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Ispep
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Nah, Robinho is still the king. Messi will be another Tevez.
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 18:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 18:57 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | | Nah, Robinho is still the king. Messi will be another Tevez. |
too bad robinho and tevez ruined their careers by playing for real madrid and corinthians. good players making bad decisions.
real madrid sucks, support a real club.
but anyway, the fm series blows away the fifa manager series.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 19:15 Post subject: |
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Robinho enhanced his career immensely by moving to Spain, it has increased his profile twofold and he's now able to test his skills against a more european (and therefore in the eyes of the media) better opposition. Tevez ruined his career because he followed the money trail. Living up to his Maradonna tag.
As for supporting a real club, well I do. Your opinon on it doesn't really change it's tangible existence nor does it explore the reasons.
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 19:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 19:25 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | Robinho enhanced his career immensely by moving to Spain, it has increased his profile twofold and he's now able to test his skills against a more european (and therefore in the eyes of the media) better opposition. Tevez ruined his career because he followed the money trail. Living up to his Maradonna tag.
As for supporting a real club, well I do. Your opinon on it doesn't really change it's tangible existence nor does it explore the reasons. |
You support a "real" club but not a real team. A bunch of primadonnas that can't come togheter and play as a unit to get the results. Robinho might have enhanced his status and rep but I feel a move to another club would have been more beneficial towards developing in to a "grande campione".
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 20:51 Post subject: |
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out of every football post ive read lazyras is the only one who actually knows his football. robinho can test his skills but he isnt getting better by playing in a rotating squad.
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 21:12 Post subject: |
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surely nuri sahin is a must buy talent in fm2006
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 21:29 Post subject: |
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| dingdong wrote: | | surely nuri sahin is a must buy talent in fm2006 |
Sahin is good for a sixteen year old in the demo but not as good as I was expecting. This will probably be corrected and a cap will be added in the full game.
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 21:30 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | Robinho enhanced his career immensely by moving to Spain, it has increased his profile twofold and he's now able to test his skills against a more european (and therefore in the eyes of the media) better opposition. Tevez ruined his career because he followed the money trail. Living up to his Maradonna tag.
As for supporting a real club, well I do. Your opinon on it doesn't really change it's tangible existence nor does it explore the reasons. |
also, you act like using big words makes you look good. but to people who actually know the english language and its grammer know that not only did you not use pronouns correctly in your final statement but also you clearly have no idea how to use the word tangible and existence in the same phrase.
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 21:36 Post subject: |
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Real Madrid has a great histroy, but it's currently being raped by their chairman Perez. He has no idea what football is about, the only thing he thinks about is selling T-shirts, sponsors, $$$..
WHY would you ever want strikers like Baptista, Robinho, Ronaldo, Raul all in one team and sell your best defender Samuel and leave ur team with a shitty defence? Its just sad to see this happen to such a great club.
Juventus, Arsenal, Barcelona, these are the fewer clubs in the world who buy and sell smart.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 22:37 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You support a "real" club but not a real team. A bunch of primadonnas that can't come togheter and play as a unit to get the results. Robinho might have enhanced his status and rep but I feel a move to another club would have been more beneficial towards developing in to a "grande campione". |
That has been true on many occasions, not all, but many. However you tend to forget the hand that the likes of Florentino Perez has had in creating this atmosphere. Shipping out players who've been the mainstay of the club (players with great friendships amongst the squad), bringing in superstars and not so super-superstars and so on and so forth. I could cite many examples of how the team has been destroyed by him and not the players.
And, primadonnas you say?
Real Madrid has no more of them than any other team. Barcelona has it's own selection of tempermental and lavish stars. It's not a unique trait of a team in the upper echelons. And I wouldn't say that having a player of Ronaldo's individual quality is such a bad thing at the end of the day. His worst ever season he came out top goal scorer for the club and was instrumental in the long run. That's one hell of a player.
| Quote: | | out of every football post ive read lazyras is the only one who actually knows his football. robinho can test his skills but he isnt getting better by playing in a rotating squad. |
Implying I don't know anything about football? That's a shame.
Robinho has come to Real Madrid in order to be a first team player. He said it himself. The only person who didn't was Luxemburgo who stated that he wasn't going to get straight into the team. But, what happened? Robinho got straight into the team and played from day one.
The problem is that Robinho had a period in Brazil where he wasn't training with his club over a dispute relating to his transfer - and straight after it was resolved he was thrown back on the pitch for both Santos and Brazil, not to mention Real Madrid when he finally arrived. He's burnt out. He's now getting rested and when he regains his fitness levels and makes his way into the team he'll be a regular, mark my words.
He could have done a lot worse than Real Madrid who offer him a pedestal for his amazing skill.
| Quote: | | also, you act like using big words makes you look good. but to people who actually know the english language and its grammer know that not only did you not use pronouns correctly in your final statement but also you clearly have no idea how to use the word tangible and existence in the same phrase. |
Actually wrong, I just type what I mean to say and if it's not correct English then that isn't my problem as it was never my intention to write in correct English but merely to express myself as best I can. This post by you only illustrates your poor character, you're clearly someone who'd rather insult a poster on any old niggling thing rather than debate the points raised. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
| Quote: | | Real Madrid has a great histroy, but it's currently being raped by their chairman Perez. He has no idea what football is about, the only thing he thinks about is selling T-shirts, sponsors, $$$.. |
Completely agree. Ever since this guy has come in he's done his best to destroy the club in the name of making money. It is fair to say he has had his success and achievments but they are undoubtedly plagued by all of his incredibly bad and numerous mistakes. A great businessman he may be, a footballing tactican he is not.
| Quote: | | WHY would you ever want strikers like Baptista, Robinho, Ronaldo, Raul all in one team and sell your best defender Samuel and leave ur team with a shitty defence? Its just sad to see this happen to such a great club. |
Robinho was an investment in one of Brazils brightest young developed stars. As his initial games for the club (as a first team starter btw) shown he gives the side a lot more creativity, spark and confidence as he's not scared or held back by his reputation.
Samuel on the otherhand was never our best defender, if anything he was worse than Pavon. He doesn't have the defensive properties, pace, technique nor attitude to survive in la Liga which demands a more individually talented player, or at the very least a disciplined one, which he certainly wasn't - clumsy and aggressive this guy couldn't have been sold sooner.
Ramos is shaping up to be a great investment, but he's still got a lot of learning to do.
| Quote: | | Juventus, Arsenal, Barcelona, these are the fewer clubs in the world who buy and sell smart. |
Arsenal perhaps have invested in some great youthful talent but it hasn't got them anywhere in the long run. Iin fact because of all the youth and the lack of experience their team is becoming a bit of a shambles collectively, they certainly aren't playing anything resembling the kind of football they became reknowned for. It's also funny you mention Barcelona as they are buying shrewdly off the back of a similar situation - seasons of misery, debt and ego driven superstar players. |
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 23:19 Post subject: |
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I mentioned Barcelona because they had enormous debts like you said, and still managed to buy world class players like Ronaldinho, Deco and Eto'o. They got rid of the big ego's like Kluivert, Luis Enrique and Louis van Gaal... Laporta and Rijkaard surely got them on the right track.
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 23:22 Post subject: |
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Well, it does kind of seem like you think you above everybody in this forum just because you use fancy word and write long replies. You're not completely wrong in what you're saying though. As for Barca, it does not seem to matter who they buy and put in the line-up because they've got a clear idea of what to do on the pitch. An idea planted by a good manager, honestly I can not see a clear idea of what to do at Real. Just buying big names that might be good players and just throwing them out there to get the result is not gonna work in modern football. Look at the likes of Chelsea, Juve, Milan and Bayern. It's all about organization and discipline combined with individual skill, not just the later. Sad or boring, I don't know. It is a fact though.
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 23:29 Post subject: |
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also the updates you download are called roster's updates..
so that's why i asked or the rosters are correct !
empty...
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 23:30 Post subject: |
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| Mandeep wrote: | | out of every football post ive read lazyras is the only one who actually knows his football. robinho can test his skills but he isnt getting better by playing in a rotating squad. |
I hope Robinho starts a new trend amoung south american footballers. In the past they always move to europe as soon as they can. Last summer Robinho was looking to be one such player, but strangely nobody came in for him. At the time he was far from the finished player. However, after an extra season in Brazil, he has improved no end, getting himself into the national team, and looking to be a general better player. I am sure with that factor he'll do better at Real than he would have if he'd have moved last summer like he wanted to.
Ohh, and I think I may need a week off work when FM comes out! I loved the demo:D
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Ispep
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 23:48 Post subject: |
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| LazyRas wrote: | | Well, it does kind of seem like you think you above everybody in this forum just because you use fancy word and write long replies. |
That isn't how I feel at all, I just write the way I do because I'm expressing myself as concisely as I can, not trying to appear superior at all. When you write on the internet a lot a side effect is that you start repeating yourself and in order to decrease the repetitivness of what it is your saying you use different words.
| Quote: | | As for Barca, it does not seem to matter who they buy and put in the line-up because they've got a clear idea of what to do on the pitch. An idea planted by a good manager, honestly I can not see a clear idea of what to do at Real. Just buying big names that might be good players and just throwing them out there to get the result is not gonna work in modern football. |
It wasn't always the case at Barcelona, and it wasn't always the case at Real Madrid. Since the departure of Del Bosque and Hierro the team (for numerous reasons) slumped and slowly turned in upon itself. This season is different however, it's been promising even in the games we've lost. Like Barcelona we will have to go through a transitional period.
You're right about Barcelona, but the trouble is this season has shown how success and time can have a nasty effect on the team.
| Quote: | | Look at the likes of Chelsea, Juve, Milan and Bayern. It's all about organization and discipline combined with individual skill, not just the later. Sad or boring, I don't know. It is a fact though. |
Barcelona are curently struggling to find their form and the team everyone was calling the best in the world made lazy mistakes in defense against Chelsea and failed to penetrate their defense leaving them to lick their wounds as they bowed out of yet another champions league. They aren't infallable.
Chelsea? They benefit from Makelele immensely and park a coach in front of the goal with some very good players, it's difficult to approach that without exposing yourself at the back or attempting to play the same way.
Juventus? They were lucky to beat the downtrodden Real Madrid last season and progress through the Champions League. They were completely outplayed on the first leg and we could have scored numerous goals but a lack of finishing hurt in the end.
Wasn't helped by the absence of Michel Salgado (a right back) and his replacement Raul Bravo (a pure left footed LEFT back)... |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005 02:02 Post subject: |
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Chelsea? They benefit from Makelele immensely and park a coach in front of the goal with some very good players, it's difficult to approach that without exposing yourself at the back or attempting to play the same way.
Juventus? They were lucky to beat the downtrodden Real Madrid last season and progress through the Champions League. They were completely outplayed on the first leg and we could have scored numerous goals but a lack of finishing hurt in the end. |
You just proved my point about organization and discipline then? Juve might not have been better then Real in that game but you don't win the Serie A by being lucky for 38 games.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005 04:02 Post subject: |
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Organization and dicipline usually means boring football. Chelsea, Juventus, Milan and Bayern Munchen are all defensive counter-attack teams. I prefer real football.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005 09:33 Post subject: |
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Football discussion always get heated eh....?  like a hockey discussion, ppl have their favourites and no one is really right or wrong
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Ispep
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005 10:06 Post subject: |
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| LazyRas wrote: | | Quote: |
Chelsea? They benefit from Makelele immensely and park a coach in front of the goal with some very good players, it's difficult to approach that without exposing yourself at the back or attempting to play the same way.
Juventus? They were lucky to beat the downtrodden Real Madrid last season and progress through the Champions League. They were completely outplayed on the first leg and we could have scored numerous goals but a lack of finishing hurt in the end. |
You just proved my point about organization and discipline then? Juve might not have been better then Real in that game but you don't win the Serie A by being lucky for 38 games. |
Juventus are a great squad, I was just pointing out that the team which everyone here rightly took a pot at was able to play them off the park in one of their worst seasons. |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005 12:27 Post subject: |
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| feyenoord4ever wrote: | | Organization and dicipline usually means boring football. Chelsea, Juventus, Milan and Bayern Munchen are all defensive counter-attack teams. I prefer real football. |
I agree but the point is that these tactics wins you titles nowadays.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005 14:03 Post subject: |
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feyenoord4ever: How's "Salle" doin at Feyenoord this season then?
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2005 15:48 Post subject: |
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It's a shame that people can't distinguish between results and entertainment or football would probably be in better shape right now and we wouldn't have shit like Chelsea, Juventus and Liverpool playing crap boring football and getting results. I can't believe people still attribute it down to ego's and all that bollocks when it's down to the simple fact that it's easier to defend than attack. At least Real Madrid make an effort to play decent entertaining football which is more than most teams these days.
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