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hailey




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 05:14    Post subject:
For a brief moment I enjoyed it but then I played a bit more, got to level 8, and I'm already sick of the fact that you're just railroaded through zones in a linear fashion and they aren't even connected to one another physically. It's a pile of shit.

Plus combat is like a worse version of AoC, it looks passable visually but performance is horrible because of Hero Engine.

It feels like someone made a low budget Skyrim clone and someone else added a mp mod to that like the Just Cause 2 mod, there's a ton of people running around but it's all just meaningless. That's the worst part, I don't see how these other idiots running around benefits my experience. It flat out doesn't, so why would I pay monthly to see them?
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Vikerness




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 06:15    Post subject:
Lol at this game asking for monthly subs. Animations and combat are atrocious, cant imagine many players subing month after month for this. I'll probably get bored of it before beta is over ....
Question to anyone who's high level enough or knows more about the game: is tank/dps/healer combo required in dungeons? Or can groups just get in rambo style with whatever specs they have ?


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Parabolica




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 09:30    Post subject:
Thank goodness I got into the beta. I REALLY want to love this game, but it's missing the magic that all of the others have, especially Skyrim and Morrowind. They thought they could jump on the MMO bandwagon, but can't anyone learn from ToR? Just can't take an established franchise and poop an MMO out of it. (except for SWG PRE CU, that was magical)

When it goes free to play, as long as it's not pay 2 win, I'll give it a go.

Like many others, this just makes me get back into Skyrim.. update mods, jump in headfirst.


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Yuuichi




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 10:14    Post subject:
I think one of the things that's responsible for this game being a bit... weird...

Although a lot of hardcore gamers will really big on the Elder Scrolls since at least Morrowind, I don't think that Zenimax probably considered TES to be so valuable a franchise until Skyrim came out and became a pop culture icon for awhile. Basically, I think this game started out as an attempt to make a cheap MMO to better monetize the franchise, and since Skyrim came out they've been pouring real money/effort into it to try and make it an actually acceptable game.

Now that Skyrim has massively increased the value of The Elder Scrolls, they're probably afraid of damaging it with this shitty mmo, and rushing to fix it. But it's probably too late to do that, at least within the first 3-4 months after the game launches. I mean if I remember correctly this game was originally supposed to not even offer first person gameplay.

I honestly don't hate it in the way that some people here do, and I might even give it a shot. But if there's any chance of it being seriously good ever they have a LOT of work to do.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 11:54    Post subject:
worst shit i've ever seen. Did those skyrim quests and suddenly the worst invasion i've ever seen happened. You NEVER had the feeling of any kind of imminent threat, you never saw or heard anything and suddenly after you were gone for 2 minutes from a village it had been burned and sacked Laughing But nothing really happened, just some burning effects and some newly placed npcs. Where was the invasion video? This shit can't be right.


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Maxxify




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 12:08    Post subject:
Yuuichi wrote:
I honestly don't hate it in the way that some people here do, and I might even give it a shot. But if there's any chance of it being seriously good ever they have a LOT of work to do.


I don't think your theory is far from the mark. Certainly they were influenced by Skyrim's success. I agree that it has a lot of work to do, but I also remember thinking that in WoW's beta. Shit, a month before that launch and they had an entire class unfinished and serious combat bugs. Both SWTOR and GW2 had serious issues before launch, too, although perhaps the first example isn't the best one to give in this scenario.

Anyway, my first impression from the first beta (Nov) was pretty negative (I posted on some gaming sites saying it would take a year from launch to fix everything). They did make a lot of changes from beta to beta and I was particularly impressed with the improvements in the crafting system, for example. I think they are capable of fixing/adding what is needed but they will have to work fast if they intend on keeping the initial player base. My impressions are now that they could perhaps get it done within six months of launch instead of a year, but they will have to seriously prioritize to make it work.
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Royalgamer06
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 12:23    Post subject:


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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 12:51    Post subject:
@Royalgamer06
Are you serious? The screenshots look bad Surprised


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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 12:58    Post subject:
How does one get Crafting recipes for blacksmith/weaponsmith or the bow crafting recipes?

Or you can't get them in strosmmkay? (had to go back since my gf started playing this beta)

Cooking,enchanting and alchemy are not problematic but for some reason I can't get anything crafted with the rest of the professions I do refined the materials, just missing recipes.


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Smikis.




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 13:11    Post subject:
you dont get any recipes, there is just single item of each category to craft, increase materials and lvl will increase, thats it
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 13:28    Post subject:


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Casus




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 13:43    Post subject:
Game might be complete crap (though it's not) - but the environments and the weather/lighting is very good on max settings. Definitely among the best I've seen in the genre, if not THE best.
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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 13:54    Post subject:
I think TSW beats this in the visual department - talking technical and aesthetical here.

Also, performance needs a lot of optimizations in town. For no reason, my GPU usage drops, without my CPU usage going beyond 60-65% - so there shouldn't be a bottleneck.
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Casus




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 13:57    Post subject:
TSW is more atmospheric, I'll grant you that - which is essentially what the game has to offer.

But it has almost no variety in comparison (basically 3 zone types), and IIRC - it doesn't have much in the way of weather effects.

Also, ESO runs FAR better than TSW, which runs like a complete dog when you run around and it's loading assets.

ESO is very optimised - and I've seen dozens and dozens of people running around with minimal slowdowns. Pretty impressive, I'd say.
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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 14:12    Post subject:
TSW most definitely needs an SSD - you are fucked without it: slowdowns and load times will kill you.

But GPU is at 99% all the time, so it scales a lot better with your hardware.
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Casus




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 14:18    Post subject:
Radicalus wrote:
TSW most definitely needs an SSD - you are fucked without it: slowdowns and load times will kill you.


I have a fast SSD Smile

It's fine out in the "wilderness" but when you move towards towns and gatherings - it stutters like hell, and I don't have bad hardware. Obviously, I run at max settings - but I do that in most games, including ESO.

Quote:
But GPU is at 99% all the time, so it scales a lot better with your hardware.


Ehm. I'll take the game that runs 100% smooth at all times over the stuttering sluggish dog - and I don't care in the slightest about scaling in that case.

But that's me Smile

TSW has a great and unique atmosphere, as I said - and that's great. But it has very limited variety in terms of environments, it has crappy PvP, it has extremely boring combat (yeah, I think ESO is MILES ahead of it here too), it has a nice character system in concept but terrible in execution, it has nothing to offer once you exhaust PvE content - and it's not doing too well even with its F2P model.

ESO for me!
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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 14:21    Post subject:
Smikis. wrote:
you dont get any recipes, there is just single item of each category to craft, increase materials and lvl will increase, thats it


Thanks for the answer!


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Yuuichi




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 14:53    Post subject:
Some parts of TSW look good, but in other ways it just looks like unforgivable ass. And the art style is sometimes a bit of a mess, lacking a good overall direction.

Generally I'd say that ESO is a better looking game.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 14:58    Post subject:
Vikerness wrote:
Question to anyone who's high level enough or knows more about the game: is tank/dps/healer combo required in dungeons? Or can groups just get in rambo style with whatever specs they have ?

I also asked about group dungeons, but no one answered. Are they not accessible in this beta or ? Would really want to know how those work, especially since there is almost no info about player - enemy npc's buffs/debuffs & such stuff....


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Maxxify




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 15:32    Post subject:
Flagship wrote:
I also asked about group dungeons, but no one answered. Are they not accessible in this beta or ? Would really want to know how those work, especially since there is almost no info about player - enemy npc's buffs/debuffs & such stuff....


They are most certainly accessible, yes, but I don't have any experience running them. There are plenty of people running groups for them and they start anywhere from level 8-12.
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ArmaTM




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 16:00    Post subject:
Flagship wrote:
Vikerness wrote:
Question to anyone who's high level enough or knows more about the game: is tank/dps/healer combo required in dungeons? Or can groups just get in rambo style with whatever specs they have ?

I also asked about group dungeons, but no one answered. Are they not accessible in this beta or ? Would really want to know how those work, especially since there is almost no info about player - enemy npc's buffs/debuffs & such stuff....


I tried the same dungeon with a group like in the previous beta, and same as then, we ended up not seeing each other inside the dungeon, different instances or something. So we gave up.
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noflip




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 17:18    Post subject:
Vikerness wrote:
Lol at this game asking for monthly subs...


This game will use the monthly payments model?!

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*Delete beta key e-mail
*Unfollow thread
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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 17:19    Post subject:
[quote="Casus"]
Radicalus wrote:
TSW most definitely needs an SSD - you are fucked without it: slowdowns and load times will kill you.


Bullshit... I don't and its fine.. ssd - derp Smile
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Maxxify




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 18:36    Post subject:
SSDs offer little benefit to games - see the [H]ardOCP article about it - but they are pretty much a requirement for hardcore MMO/multiplayer players. I can't imagine playing without one. It made a significant difference in games like World of Tanks, for example. That being said...some of the slowdowns in this beta are most certainly not related to hard drive performance. I also have TSW and it does benefit from a SSD, though.
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h0rnyfavn
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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Feb 2014 19:12    Post subject:
When I got to lvl 10+, to Stonefalls, I actually found the game more interesting and engaging. The first areas were a disappointment.

Atm there are quite a few PVP videos uploaded to youtube and more videos are coming.

http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1xw929/press_beta_pvp_impressions_megathread/

Anyways, 30 euro for the standard edition if you pay via paypal and the offer is available only for 3 days(atm).

~$48 for the standard edition at nuuvem.


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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Feb 2014 21:18    Post subject:


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h0rnyfavn
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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Feb 2014 21:46    Post subject:
Here you can find lots of info on PVP from the press.
http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1xw929/press_beta_pvp_impressions_megathread/


Atm there are quite a few PVP videos uploaded to youtube and more videos are coming.

PVP VIDEOS:
 Spoiler:
 


The closed beta testers say that farming Cyrodiil dungeons is very profitable(atm at least). Mobs/bosses drop quite often rape/epic items of your level BUT it is also dangerous because other players might attack you Laughing Oh, and you get lots and lots of XP

+ you can get rare materials needed for legendary crafting only in Cyrodiil afaik

So it won't be only about castles and becoming the Emperor;) there will be battles for resources, for epic loot as well

Another one




PS UI addon used in this video unzip to folder AddOns in My Documents/Elder Scrolls Online

PPS And another one Wink)

It's good to be The Emperor Wink)




PPPPS

Information on skills from the closed beta
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArII4nGY0Yf3dC0xM0YtQ3phVnNjUVdCbkJkaUl3VWc&usp=sharing#gid=0

Vampire skills are pretty good Wink

Skill Calculator (work in progress)
http://skillcalc.massyx.de/


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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Feb 2014 16:16    Post subject:
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/02/14/the-beta-nda-has-lifted


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h0rnyfavn
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Feb 2014 16:51    Post subject:
Another skill calculator. more complete and it includes Imperials vampires and werewolves

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills


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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Feb 2014 16:57    Post subject:
This game is a POS.
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