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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2014 19:59 Post subject: |
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Ankh
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2014 20:09 Post subject: |
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| Royalgamer06 wrote: | | Areius wrote: | | Royalgamer06 wrote: | | Steam should add an option to redeem keys as gifts... |
They never will. |
Why? (Yes, you can call me stupid) |
Cos they would sell less. People would play through a game and then just give/sell it to the next person. Or did I misunderstand you?
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Surray
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2014 20:14 Post subject: |
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I think he just means that when you activate a key on your account for the first time you can opt to either activate it to your own account or activate it as a gift that you can then send to your friends. If you put it on your own account you couldn't still give it away afterwards. It's one or the other.
Like you can buy games as gifts in the steam store.
It would still only be a single actual activation.
Sounds reasonable, I would like that and see no reason not to add it.
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Surray
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2014 20:33 Post subject: |
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well i wrote some of the motives why valve wouldnt make an option like that ever; and keys you can get from 1000 places and cant be certain of their provenience is the word? wihile gifts you can only buy from the steam store
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2014 20:49 Post subject: |
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Although technically it is possible, with keys for 2 packs (aerena,interstellar, some games in the past)
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2014 21:18 Post subject: |
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| lolozaur wrote: | | well i wrote some of the motives why valve wouldnt make an option like that ever; and keys you can get from 1000 places and cant be certain of their provenience is the word? wihile gifts you can only buy from the steam store |
Everything you said is about exploited keys, so Valve could just have a clear label on the gift marking it as a key and not actually bought from the store. I don't think it is in their interest to allow keys to be added to inventory, for reasons like extra support costs and stuff, unless they add a fee for adding a key to inventory and then why not allow it?
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chiv
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2014 22:41 Post subject: |
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| Royalgamer06 wrote: | | Areius wrote: | | Royalgamer06 wrote: | | Steam should add an option to redeem keys as gifts... |
They never will. |
Why? (Yes, you can call me stupid) |
holy crap, i answered this almost right after your comment!
| chiv wrote: | | Royalgamer06 wrote: | | Steam should add an option to redeem keys as gifts... |
brilliant... a whole new way for people to run legitimate-looking charge-back scams!!  |
its too exploitable, it would destroy the trust of their trading system
and yes, also it would hurt steam sales.
BUT if people want an easy answer as to why valve will never do this, its easy...
because its a HELL of a lot of effort (to set up AND to run/moderate/enforce/solve issues) for small gains... really, theres NOTHING in it for them UNLESS they charge a fee, and IF they charge a fee, the amount they would make is not worth the effort. why make a dollar from SOMEONE ELSES key sale, when you could deny people such functionality, so that they spend 5 bucks buying from YOUR store.
valve isnt your friend, everything they do is about maximising profit, and the profits just arent there (compared to the risk, OR in terms of money they'd make) to justify hurting their own store profits for.... what, did you think they'd implement it just because they 'wuv' us, and think it'd be a neat feature to give us?  |
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 02:51 Post subject: |
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sometimes people on the steam trading chats really hurt my brain... i mean REALLY hurt it...
this one chick had a tf2 key... I made a trade offer, which was ignored... after a while she started saying she REALLY wanted to trade it for steam wallet. PUT. IT. ON. THE. MARKET. THEN. YOU. DOPEY. BITCH.
fuck.
in other news, i beat kein to a 1-key trading offer on the trade forums 
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 11:26 Post subject: |
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Do cards still drop with SAM?
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Neon
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 11:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 11:41 Post subject: |
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It's the first time cards take so long to drop for me. Something like 4 hours and still nothing.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Neon
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 11:52 Post subject: |
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Steam had some problems a few days ago with card drops in general, even w/o SAM.
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 14:18 Post subject: ***** |
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 14:39 Post subject: |
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I'd be very surprised if valve doesn't get a cut from steamworks implementation, therefore, valve technically does get it's cut regardless.
Valve just doesn't charge a fee to GENERATE the key...
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 14:59 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 17:03 Post subject: |
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I don't think game keys for TF2 (beta/guest) exist anymore and even if they do - they are invalid.
Gifts, in other hand, are rares now and being sold up to 10 keys.
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 17:22 Post subject: |
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| Kein wrote: | I don't think game keys for TF2 (beta/guest) exist anymore and even if they do - they are invalid.
Gifts, in other hand, are rares now and being sold up to 10 keys. |
You can still buy retail Orange Box and it's valid. Not sure about TF2 only, but I don't see why it would be invalid.
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 17:27 Post subject: |
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Orange Box is on key for whole package. TF2 is complimentary. I was talking about beta keys/pases.
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 18:07 Post subject: |
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| Areius wrote: | | chiv wrote: | I'd be very surprised if valve doesn't get a cut from steamworks implementation, therefore, valve technically does get it's cut regardless.
Valve just doesn't charge a fee to GENERATE the key... |
Nope, Valve only gets a cut from a sale made through their store. I think if you license the Source Engine the cut percentage is a little different but I'm not entirely sure about that. I am sure about normal items sold through the store though  |
So Valve makes no money from, for example, Green Man Gaming when they sell a Steam key? I don't understand why Valve would make such bad deals with devs/pubs. I mean that would have to mean that Valve is paid upfront in just one full and final payment for the game being on Steam. The game could sell much more or much less than anticipated. From Valves point of view, why bother playing a guessing game? Just charge a fee per key issued. It doesn't make sense to me.
| Areius wrote: | | You can generate free keys on your partner page, it doesn't cost you a dime. |
Those keys are unlimited?
Do you have any links to prove all this?
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 18:09 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: |
So Valve makes no money from, for example, Green Man Gaming when they sell a Steam key? |
They get more Steam users
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 18:49 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 18:52 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2014 19:22 Post subject: |
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WTF. So it's free to put a game on Steam and you can create as many keys as you like and undercut Steam's store prices.
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