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Sin317
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Jan 2014 13:56    Post subject:
i spent a week at my friends place (taking care of their dogs and cat while they were in italy) and there i played on my old pc (i7 920, 560ti, 6gb ram, Samsung HDD). While i was able to play bf4 just fine on medium at stable 60fps (capped), the loading times ... OMG THE LOADING TIMES ... it took literally several minutes to enter a server/change map. While on my current system with SSD it takes me like 30 seconds to join and change map. On SSD, i'm always long before anyone else on the map, on the HDD, you enter when the game is already going on lol.

The difference is just extreme.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Jan 2014 15:03    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
i spent a week at my friends place (taking care of their dogs and cat while they were in italy) and there i played on my old pc (i7 920, 560ti, 6gb ram, Samsung HDD). While i was able to play bf4 just fine on medium at stable 60fps (capped), the loading times ... OMG THE LOADING TIMES ... it took literally several minutes to enter a server/change map. While on my current system with SSD it takes me like 30 seconds to join and change map. On SSD, i'm always long before anyone else on the map, on the HDD, you enter when the game is already going on lol.

The difference is just extreme.


Not as extreme case but same shit can easily be noticed in CSGO aswell, I'm always first on the server with 9 bots and it takes like 10-20 seconds before the next player usually appears lol

SSD ftw.
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Jan 2014 01:11    Post subject:
ok ok Wereldds, enabled 1024-1024mb page file on my system ssd again.
It didnt required restart tho (restared anyway)

and indexing on ssd and windows search turned off are both ok, right?


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Jan 2014 09:26    Post subject:
Yeah, you don't really need those Smile
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Pixieking




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Jan 2014 09:32    Post subject:
Since we're on the subject, any pros/cons to having the Page File on a second (mechanical) drive, instead of on the Windows-install SSD? It's what I've been doing since I reinstalled on my SSD about 6 months ago, and not noticed any problems, but I'm curious anyway. Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Jan 2014 16:14    Post subject:
Pixieking wrote:
Since we're on the subject, any pros/cons to having the Page File on a second (mechanical) drive, instead of on the Windows-install SSD? It's what I've been doing since I reinstalled on my SSD about 6 months ago, and not noticed any problems, but I'm curious anyway. Smile


I guess it would slow the system down should it ever need the pagefile, but it's still better than having no pagefile at all.
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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Jan 2014 17:21    Post subject:
Pixieking wrote:
Since we're on the subject, any pros/cons to having the Page File on a second (mechanical) drive, instead of on the Windows-install SSD? It's what I've been doing since I reinstalled on my SSD about 6 months ago, and not noticed any problems, but I'm curious anyway. Smile

having paging file not on SSD i only see cons. you want paging to be as fast as possible and moving it to slow ass HDD is exact opposite of that.

who pushed you to move it to HDD? some stupid baseless SSD guide who said that "oh noes your SSD will die if you have paging file on" ? Laughing
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Pixieking




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jan 2014 18:51    Post subject:
rgb#000 wrote:

having paging file not on SSD i only see cons. you want paging to be as fast as possible and moving it to slow ass HDD is exact opposite of that.


Yeah, that makes sense.

rgb#000 wrote:

who pushed you to move it to HDD? some stupid baseless SSD guide who said that "oh noes your SSD will die if you have paging file on" ? Laughing


No guide, just paranoia about life-expectancy. Money was a bit tight, so anything that hastened the death of a critical piece of my system was not good... I'll change it in a bit. Very Happy


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Guy_Incognito




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jan 2014 20:23    Post subject:
There are two things regarding the life of SSD:

1. SSD controller internally relocates blocks when it updates them. E.g. you open up a file, edit it and save. It won't end up on the same block as it was before - the old block will be marked as free, and the new content will be written to another free block, because the controller takes care of wear leveling. The same goes for the swap file. Just be sure your partitions are aligned to megabyte instead of cylinder (Windows setup's formatter in Vista and later takes care of this).

2. Even if some blocks hit their end of life, your SSD won't just die unexpectedly. First the number of unrecoverable blocks will slowly start to increase (which you can check in e.g. HD Tune) but there will still be plenty of free space, so even in this case you will have at least several months to replace the drive.

And I think all this story about life expectancy less than 3 or 5 years is just plain inflated.
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2014 16:51    Post subject:
So if I want SSD performance I go for Samsung Pro.

What SSD is good for reliability? My parent's laptop cache SSD blew, and I want to replace it with a new 64 or 128GB one. Speed isn't really important.


on an additional note: I have 16GB of RAM and I disabled the page file completely.


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Sin317
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2014 16:57    Post subject:
yeah, i really wouldn't disable pagefile if i was you lol.
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2014 17:13    Post subject:
I don't even hit 50% RAM utilization. As I see it, the only downside is an old app that will crash (haven't found such one yet) or if I get a blue screen Windows won't be able to make a dump.

I will check later and see peak memory usage.


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2014 17:55    Post subject:
I would have at least left 1024 MB for file-swapping tbh since there are some proggies that will need it (can't remember which tho).


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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2014 18:11    Post subject:
Sooo can we get on topic, which SSDs should I look into for reliability - Intel?


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2014 18:35    Post subject:
I own both a crucial and a samsung disk. I've had the crucial now over a year and there's no issues with it and for the 3-4 months I've owned the samsung I'm also liking it.
No idea if intel's disks are more reliable or not tho. Surprised


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Stige




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2014 18:40    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
Sooo can we get on topic, which SSDs should I look into for reliability - Intel?


In real world, it really doesn't matter what you get.

Samsung 840 EVO ftw.
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difm




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2014 18:41    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
Sooo can we get on topic, which SSDs should I look into for reliability - Intel?


It's actually pretty much the question of your own preferences.
There are some better brands than others but every product line has it's own faulty models.

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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2014 21:03    Post subject:
Statistically intel drives are more reliable. I've seen two large studies showing that (can't remember the links though Sad )... But most brands are fine. My SSD is an old OCZ vertex 2, which is one of the worst drives around, and it still works after 3 years...
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Mar 2014 19:14    Post subject:
So I bought an Intel 120GB 525 mSAT for 100eur

WOW this thing is TINY!! Shocked



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Invasor
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Mar 2014 19:54    Post subject:
Nice, that's the best msata drive as far as I know...
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Mar 2014 20:08    Post subject:
well the wait for a Samsung EVO mSAT was 30 days.. Laughing

reminds me how I waited 30 days for a simple lenovo european power supply cable with us male socket to the transformer..
cause I bought the laptop from the states and was using an eu-us adapter


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