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Why every child should take music class until second year high school.
If we teach them all about music, and how interesting music is played and what it sounds like, we might avoid having to listen to bands like them in the next generation. WHINERS.
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Man...I hate every band that's part of this "new punk"...its not punk first of all. Punk is simply about not giving a fuck and being crazy (least it was for me)...not a buncha corporate backed, sissy bwoys that think they actually make good music.
it pisses me off so much that these guy's are actually considered artists...cuz yall know what goes down right?
a)some corporate exec decides his company needs a new band/face/artist
b)sends out talent agents who look for ppl that LOOK the part, not the ones who actually may be good musicians
c)the company has writers come up with lyrics that they can sell to a certain demographic - and as in the case of Sp, blink, good charloette etc, they choose suicide and depression as their selling formats, praying on the kids who are actually going through tough shit and may need someone to talk to or help them - makes me fuckin sick.
d)the no talent pretty boys get a make over, memorize their lyrics, have them recorded and go on a world lip synching tour
Whatever happened to the Curt Cobain's and the Lane Stanely's (aside from death - u know what i mean)? those guy's who just wanted to make music and didnt do it for the money - or didnt do it entirely for the money
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Almost everyone does something for money. How much money is up in the air. Cobain wanted to make a living, but he never expected or wanted the fortune that would be thrust onto him.
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Yeah, thats my point...they did do it for money as everyone has to eat and if u can eat more, why not? but they also had a message, they used music as a form for therapy for themselves and hey, if u agreed and bought the record, fine, if not, well, they still enjoy making music and werent gunna stop ya know?
these bands nowadays lack substance and are coporatism and commercialism at its best
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The problem isn't in the corporations though. They're just pumping the money into the bands that morons like. The people still buy it. If they understood what made a song meaninful, or understood musicianship (by which I mean playing your instrument in interesting ways and with a flair, not just jumping around on stage and hiting the cords as hard as you can (I hate power cords)).
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 08:43 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | Yeah, thats my point...they did do it for money as everyone has to eat and if u can eat more, why not? but they also had a message, they used music as a form for therapy for themselves and hey, if u agreed and bought the record, fine, if not, well, they still enjoy making music and werent gunna stop ya know?
these bands nowadays lack substance and are coporatism and commercialism at its best |
For me it's just about music you connect with... it doesn't have to be critically acclaimed or considered by anyone to be "good". Having the backing of major corporations or being the band in the garage next door, that doesn't matter, as long as you connect to the music. People bashing artists because many people like them (and consequentially, they are backed by corporations) is annoying at best. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I know of plenty big and small bands whose music I enjoy, and if they were to lose corporate backing and I'd have to download their music from a free music hosting service, I would not care, just as I wouldn't care if they went from garage band to top 20. Their reasons for making music don't in the least trouble me, it's all about the connection.
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I like plenty of mainstream music. In fact, I can safely say I'm a fan of one of the most popular artists on the planet, Kanye West. His lyrics are rather insightful or witty and his most recent work is fabulously composed and produced. It has a sense of style and flair to it. Simply put, his music has a sense of artistry. Taking an interest in these bands like Simple Plan, Fall out boy and the likes is like looking at someone who repainted the Mona Lisa but gave her blonde hair and changed the background. You can't call them creative, and you wouldn't look at it and say, hey look at the emotion in the eyes that the artist captured. No, you'd look at it and say, "Isn't that the Mona Lisa? But with blonde hair and a new background?" Some would say, "hmmmm interesting interpretation" but it's still nothing new.
I suppose I'm in an arguementative mood right now, but as I stated in the previous post, I don't not like popular bands with corporate backing, I don't like copycats who really just whine in their music over hard strumming. If I wanted that, I'd buy my 4yr old cousin one of those toy guitars and record it.
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Simple Plan Look SO pos to me, they're all about posing.
fucking attention whores.
oh and one question, i keep hearing about this band called mcplay? wtf? who the hell are they? havent heard a single song by them
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kanye west might make a good music (for hip hop lovers, whatver) , but he is retarted, i saw him trying to put together two words, he can barely do it, another american rapper-school dropout
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No, Kanye doesn't make good music for hip hop lovers, he makes good music period. www.pitchforkmedia.com is a indy music mostly and art rock and the likes review site that give solid reviews of everything. They gave his most recent album the highest rating (I believe) of any album they've rated.
Now, the fact you believe he can't put two words together makes me question your sense of reality. If you listen to his lyrics on his album, which he does right, you'd maybe come to a different conclusion. Hell, read them on the internet, but seriously, the guy is not retarded. I almost dropped out of high school because I was bored and it wasn't taking me anywhere, and it STILL hasn't taken me anywhere. I'll be working at a grocery store within the next couple weeks with my honors graduate and awards. I couldn't get into a college because they wanted 'industry experience' ANYWAY, enough of my tangeant. The guy knows music and is a masterful lyricist.
As for your mcplay query, I haven't heard of them either. We don't get MTV up here in Canada on the cable I subscribe to, and I wouldn't watch it if we did.
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he might be able to rap, for this he probably prepares and remembers the lyrics.
as for thinking straight when being asked something, a highly doubt his abilities
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I have to agree with buena on this...
Kayne may make music u like, but he's just as big a poser to rap/hiphop as simple plan is to "rock". I mean, he talks about jesus and shit then he flips it and talks about crack, and how he's gangsta etc etc...and the fact that when he speaks (not raps, like interview speaking) he really can't put more than a 3 or 4 word sentence together.
He's just trying to make a quick buck and already his music is loosing popularity as ppl see the bs that goes hand in hand with him - he's amoung the many "pop" rappers out there - and most of em have absolutely no talent - and like buena said, I betcha 5 bucks he couldnt kick a freestyle if his life depended on it.
I mean, u like what u like, thats cool...but i think ur reasoning Phlux for liking him is a lil distorted..
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some people might have problems forming sentences when before an audience....i do for example. it does not necessary say much about a person's intellect. i do not tend to judge people by their behavior in spotlight. 90% is marketing anyways.
jesus christ was a gangsta rapper. they killed him. he came back and made a platinum album.
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| toeffy wrote: | | some people might have problems forming sentences when before an audience....i do for example. it does not necessary say much about a person's intellect. i do not tend to judge people by their behavior in spotlight. 90% is marketing anyways. |
Dude, u or me having problems speaking infront of a crowd is one thing...a rapper with big time selling albums shouldnt have a problem speaking correctly infornt of a crowd...I mean, he can talk about crack, guns and jesus with clairity when he raps infront of thousand's of ppl...should be easier discussing yourself, ur views etc |
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WTF?!?! Simple plan is the best band of all time. With their technical yet melodic riffs and face melting solos they appeal to fans of all genres. Not to mention the lyrics that span a vast array of topics from "Never growing up" to "High school parties" to "Oh shit son my gf broke up with me before prom and now im going to sit at home masturbate and cry while using my tears as lubrication"
Fuck you Naysayers. This band is the ultimate in rock and will, i assure you, go down in history as the greatest band of all time.
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| Esel_Gesi wrote: | WTF?!?! Simple plan is the best band of all time. With their technical yet melodic riffs and face melting solos they appeal to fans of all genres. Not to mention the lyrics that span a vast array of topics from "Never growing up" to "High school parties" to "Oh shit son my gf broke up with me before prom and now im going to sit at home masturbate and cry while using my tears as lubrication"
Fuck you Naysayers. This band is the ultimate in rock and will, i assure you, go down in history as the greatest band of all time.
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thats one of the funniest lines ive read in a while 
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I think the new music sucks, a bunch of recycled cloned garbage.
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| cybersurfer wrote: | | I think the new music sucks, a bunch of recycled cloned garbage. |
Do i have to use Alcohol 120% or Deamon tools to mount it?
For the Motherland!
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| SycoShaman wrote: | I have to agree with buena on this...
Kayne may make music u like, but he's just as big a poser to rap/hiphop as simple plan is to "rock". I mean, he talks about jesus and shit then he flips it and talks about crack, and how he's gangsta etc etc...and the fact that when he speaks (not raps, like interview speaking) he really can't put more than a 3 or 4 word sentence together.
He's just trying to make a quick buck and already his music is loosing popularity as ppl see the bs that goes hand in hand with him - he's amoung the many "pop" rappers out there - and most of em have absolutely no talent - and like buena said, I betcha 5 bucks he couldnt kick a freestyle if his life depended on it.
I mean, u like what u like, thats cool...but i think ur reasoning Phlux for liking him is a lil distorted.. |
PLLLLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEEE. Losing money? Golddigger is still in the top 10 in the states and in the top 3 in Canada. You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. I've seen him freestyle, and it blew me away. It wasn't just insults, it was intelligence. He isn't just another pop rapper. His form of hip-hop is actually nothing like the rest of mainstream rap let alone any underground I've heard. His latest album was composed by an acclaimed movie score composer along with him. The guy composed the score to Eternal Sunshine to the Spotless mind and what have you. Kanye West has ALSO never come across saying he's gangster. He lived a life of drugs, but never really had a 'thug' upbringing. I don't understand how you could even REMOTELY think he raps about being gangster. A song called 'Crack Music' he wrote isn't even gangster. |
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Offspring, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Blink 182, et cetera. - the list of talentless bands is without limit.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Only one I'll argue slightly is Linkin Park. I'm not really a fan of the band, but what they did was rather original in a sense, creating a metal rap sound. I hate it personally, but they are smart guys, almost all of them have university degrees in stuff other than music, and they did come up with an original concept.
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Linkin Park did NOT create the rap-metal sound and they are in no way original!!
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 07:53 Post subject: |
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| Phluxed wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | I have to agree with buena on this...
Kayne may make music u like, but he's just as big a poser to rap/hiphop as simple plan is to "rock". I mean, he talks about jesus and shit then he flips it and talks about crack, and how he's gangsta etc etc...and the fact that when he speaks (not raps, like interview speaking) he really can't put more than a 3 or 4 word sentence together.
He's just trying to make a quick buck and already his music is loosing popularity as ppl see the bs that goes hand in hand with him - he's amoung the many "pop" rappers out there - and most of em have absolutely no talent - and like buena said, I betcha 5 bucks he couldnt kick a freestyle if his life depended on it.
I mean, u like what u like, thats cool...but i think ur reasoning Phlux for liking him is a lil distorted.. |
PLLLLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEEE. Losing money? Golddigger is still in the top 10 in the states and in the top 3 in Canada. You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. I've seen him freestyle, and it blew me away. It wasn't just insults, it was intelligence. He isn't just another pop rapper. His form of hip-hop is actually nothing like the rest of mainstream rap let alone any underground I've heard. His latest album was composed by an acclaimed movie score composer along with him. The guy composed the score to Eternal Sunshine to the Spotless mind and what have you. Kanye West has ALSO never come across saying he's gangster. He lived a life of drugs, but never really had a 'thug' upbringing. I don't understand how you could even REMOTELY think he raps about being gangster. A song called 'Crack Music' he wrote isn't even gangster. |
Dude, ive heard him a couple G-Unit mixes and a few songs with Kardinal - talking about drugs and gangbanging. And there is a movie where he plays a crack dealer/gang member, i cant think of the name of the movie but there were enough rappers and hiphop artist's in.
And as for some hollywood sound composer...man, that doesnt mean anything. Britney Spears, Ricky Martin etc all have professional sound composer write their music and shit. Once u get a certain level of stardom, thats what usually goes down. My question is, why does he need some big name composer if he such a talented artist/musician/composer as he proclaims to be?
Dude, i reading what im saying wrong. Im not coming down on your or speaking negatively about you because u happen to like him, if u like his music, thats cool.
But he's pure corporatism and commericialism...sorry to say. Thats why I dont like him, he's a hypocrite. And to be honest, whenever i see him on tv speaking, he looks like he's on a some serious drug. ive been around drugs all my life (sadly) and I know when someone is on something - and he definitely does something.
Im not saying thats bad either, it doesn't bother me. But when he proclaims all this stuff about being a good person, loving jesus etc etc is complete bullshit as after the interview/show, he heads back to the dressing room and starts cookin up some rocks ya know? I dont like ppl like that.
Now Kardinal Offishal, homegrown talent, he is someone I respect and I think is a talented artist. He's intelligent, he's an overall good musician and he doesn't lie. Although he goes and talks to kids about drugs and project life at schools in or around Toronto, he's the first to admit he had to learn the hard way and thats why not he actively speaks out against drugs and such. Kanye doesn't do that man, he fronts for the camera's/microphone and I cant respect anyone who does that.
Anyway, in direct response to ur post, having a hollywood composer doesnt mean he's good artist - it means he/his record company has the cash to finance that. Im not gunna lie, he's sold alot of records and big ups for that. But nowadays, if u have the right ppl backing u and pushing ur shit all over the media, its something easy to do ya know?
Again, like who u like, just see the artist for what he really is ya know?
its like me arguing that Lane Stanely (Alice in Chains Lead Singer - died in '99) wasnt a junkie for most of his adult life - its pointless as, based on what i know, that would be a lie. But, in a twisted way, thats the appeal. He never once denied his habits/demons and he said simply that yeah, what he's doing to himself isnt the smartest thing and prolly will kill him in the end - but he enjoyed what he did (i assume so anyway) and said to the word, take me as I am - which is something i respect alot.
Maybe u and I just have different tastes in music 
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| Quote: | | Linkin Park did NOT create the rap-metal sound and they are in no way original!! |
Exactly. Rage Against the Machine were the first (well, maybe not first, but first to be famous) rap/metal band. Linkin park is another group that lacks complete substance.
Not to mention the fact that i was dragged to a concert of theirs a year or 2 ago and man, they dont sound anything like they do on CD. The Lead singer guy, Chester i think his name is, is a HORRIBLE screamer/metal singer, horrible - worse than the new (well not really new) lead singer of Sepultura.
When it comes to rock/metal (whatever u wanna call it) I think that a good band is better live than on CD.
Take Cradle of Filth for example. Whether or not u like them, Dani Filth (singer) is a fuckin talented (prolly the most talented) screamer in black/vampiric/goth metal (again, whateveru wanna call it). Why? Listen to any song he has, anyone. Then go to a live show and listen to the same song. He can scream EXACTLY (if not better) than on CD - ive been to atleast 5 of their shows (maybe more, i dunno) and everyime i leave wondering how a guy could have such a HUGE vocal range - from a high pitched, demon sounding wail to a low, dark, animalistic growl - and his actual voice isnt fucked as u'd assume it would be. Anyway, that to me is talent - what Linkin Park does isnt or requires far less talent than numerous other awesome metal bands.
Well, just my thoughts
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 08:13 Post subject: |
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| Chow wrote: | | Linkin Park did NOT create the rap-metal sound and they are in no way original!! |
They brought it to the mainstream then. I've never heard anything like them. Any other bands I could perhaps listen to so I can hear some other bands in the genre?
I wouldn't say Rage and Linking are in the same Genre.
Now to comment on your long post. Basically, what I meant by compose, is a full orchestra more or less. Like, horns, timpany, all the works. He went out of his way to have a full sound on his album. I won't say anything else on the matter of Kanye West other than if a, literally, world-reknown indy rock website who hosts their own major indy rock shows gives a mainstream rapper like Kanyes album a high rating, just indicates that his most recent music is certainly up and above the rest. And 'Kardinal' as you called Kanye West (you're thinking of Lame toronto based rapped Kardinal offishal), is not gangster. Please go do some research. The remix I think you have heard, was actually just a sample taken from one of his earlier songs. Rappers do that.
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| Phluxed wrote: | | Chow wrote: | | Linkin Park did NOT create the rap-metal sound and they are in no way original!! |
They brought it to the mainstream then. I've never heard anything like them. Any other bands I could perhaps listen to so I can hear some other bands in the genre? |
Rage Against the Machine brought rap metal to mainstream media back in the 90's dude, Linkin Park copied them
EDIT - I dunno bout gangsta but ive met kardinal and a few of my boys used to chill with him when he ran drugs (yay)...trust me, what he talks about, he has first hand knowledge of...thats what i mean.
And dude, they are in the same genre. Maybe their influence on you personally isnt great, but u werent a teen or of the age to totally get their music when they first debuted (u said ur like 17-19)...their music came about with the "I dont give a fuck" GenX attitude - and they were applauded for their sound by numerous musicians, rockers and rappers alike.
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Read My edit. And I know who rage is.
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| SycoShaman wrote: |
Rage Against the Machine brought rap metal to mainstream media back in the 90's dude, Linkin Park copied them
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Uh didnt Anthrax and Public Enemy do rap metal with "Bring the noise" in the late 80's?
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I'd listen to that crap instead of Death Metals or Rap...
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