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cyclonefr




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 18:11    Post subject:
>>> if anything majorly influenced by liquids personality.

This.

During the fight you obviously noticed also the music changing from MGS1, to 2, to 3 and finally to 4. And Ocelot here acted like Ocelot when MGS1 music happened, like Liquid when MGS2 happened, and like Ocelot (with his famous gesture) during MGS3 music.

During MGS4 music iirc his name was also Liquid-Ocelot in the health bar, confirming the ", if anything majorly influenced by liquids personality."

Or maybe I'm all wrong ? The story was confusing for me, but this is what I remember from playing it in 2008 Razz
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 18:17    Post subject:
wow, to start noticing such things i would need to replay it a few times Laughing I did notice the music changing, but i didn't put much thought into it. It's like when the Matrix was first out. You never got it properly the first time around, but it started to piece itself together after multiple viewings Razz
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cyclonefr




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 18:18    Post subject:
but I only played MGS4 once ! The name, health bar, music and behavior changing was kind of obvious though Razz
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 18:20    Post subject:
heh, i was more focused on getting him the fuck down Razz I hate fighting games as i'm no good at them, so i was really focused on it. I noticed only the changing on the bar color at the end
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cyclonefr




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 18:37    Post subject:
Ok I just checked again, I was kinda bullshitting about the names, it's first Liquid, then Liquid-Ocelot, then ends with Ocelot, and I remember concluding back then that step by step, during the fight, that Ocelot was recovering his mind and finally be the Revolver Ocelot he always was before dying.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 18:38    Post subject:
Might have done that, but as far as the dialogues went, i certainly didn't notice it, and neither did Snake :S
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cyclonefr




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 18:42    Post subject:
I think he did, just when Ocelot said "You're pretty good", you can also hear the echo of young Ocelot (MGS3) saying it too.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 18:46    Post subject:
Well, we have seen him doing stuff like that before in the game. He also had 2 weapons equipped 1 in each hand at a time. Don't recall where exactly. Might be Ocelot surfacing now and then.
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cyclonefr




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 18:52    Post subject:
Yeah possibly. But for sure it was Ocelot acting all along and sometimes forgetting he is Ocelot and not Liquid Smile

That being, said, my favorite MGS game ever is definitely MGS3. Ocelot is bad ass here too.

Sadly, although MGS V GZ is good, I don't have the same feeling as when I'm playing MGS3.

I see that Ocelot has an important part in The Phantom Pain working with Snake, so this is gonna be elite !
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 19:00    Post subject:
MGS3 was a really good game, but it's been a while so i don't remember everything. Only thing about Ocelot was that he was really annoying! Something about becoming really vengeful after you beating him time and time again Razz

Other bosses were as 1 dimensional as ever though. Guy named end of the world only talks about the end of the world and nothing else, and this goes for most if not all of them. I have no idea why they design bosses like this because it reeks of stupid.
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cyclonefr




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 19:12    Post subject:
Yeah thought the bosses were stupid, but the fight vs the End was epic (although they were tricks to skip it/beat it easily) compared to other bosses, and you needed to think to kill him.

Still I wasn't much of a fan of the bosses fight, in any MGS games actually...

I remember the Psychomantis fight being funny on PSX since you need to plug your gamepad in port 2 so he can't read your mind.

And I like Kojima trolling in MGS4 where if you play MGS4 with a Sixxaxis (back then, Dual shock 4 didn't exist), then Psychomantis says he will try to make your gamepad move, but you need to put it on a flat surface.

Then he notices he can't, explaining that's because PS3/Sixxaxis doesn't support vibrations Very Happy

That was when Sony was sued by some brand, I don't remember.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 19:15    Post subject:
Actually didn't like that bit Sad I hate when something pulls me out of the immersion and start blabbering about controllers or psyche bar, console hardware etcetc. The psycho mantis appearance was 100% unnecessary, but that's my opinion on it though Razz
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cyclonefr




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2014 19:36    Post subject:
It was a funny troll ! Just like when JackQ appears in a thread Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Mar 2014 01:39    Post subject:
MGS4 is one of the most overrated games this century. Snake moaning through hours of silly plots is probably one of the most underwhelming moments in PS3 history. Cant believe people liked this.
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NFOAC




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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Mar 2014 02:59    Post subject:
cyclonefr wrote:
It was a funny troll ! Just like when JackQ appears in a thread Mr. Green

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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Mar 2014 03:44    Post subject:
grapper wrote:
MGS4 is one of the most overrated games this century. Snake moaning through hours of silly plots is probably one of the most underwhelming moments in PS3 history. Cant believe people liked this.


Yeah, he wasn't portrayed as an invincible hyperbole, and actually was progressively degrading pretty badly in health throughout the game. Clearly reason to dislike the game.
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