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 Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 15:36 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Okay, I've got a great opportunity here and I don't want to waste it or have buyer's remorse and regret later; A Gigabyte GTX780 Windforce (rev1) or a Sapphire Radeon R9-290 (reference board) -- the 780 is £250 and the 290 is £220.
.... so, what would you guys recommend? |
If I only had those two to choose from, I would go for the 780 (although I am not sure how this windforce compares to other custom cooled solutions).
If the 290 was non-reference I would definitely go for that.
Over here the Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X costs 50€ less than any custom-cooled GTX780, while being, at the very least, just as good performance-wise (often faster).
But I wouldn't want the reference one.
You could look into some 3rd party custom coolers for the 290 and see how that compares. If it fits within the price difference between those two cards and you don't mind getting your hands dirty, so to speak, I think the 290 would be a better deal, since it edges out the 780 on average.
For 1080p and 60fps it probably wouldn't matter so much though, and a simpler choice could be a better one. Or, as Claude said, it could just come down to Shadowplay vs Mantle among other features.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 15:36 Post subject: |
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290 with the money saved spent on a custom cooling solution of your choice.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 15:42 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | The 290 seems to edge out the 780 in pretty much every test and, if I'm lucky, it's a LAUNCH reference board which means flashing to 290x ... but yeah, that cooler is fucking insane, how they could ship this card sounding like that is just beyond me. I don't have an Accelero Extreme around and the worst part is fucking Norway is like Nigeria when it comes to hardware -- good luck finding any decent after market coolers  I *did* find one place that sells the Accelero Hybrid II water cooler but it's £85 and that's just meh.
Either way, this is a replacement for my 570 SLi and will be *the* upgrade for the next 2 years or so, haha. I'm so tempted to go for the R9-290 and even my wife is saying go for it, forget the sound, get the better card. |
I have 290 clocked at 1200/1500 and it beats in everything my previous GTX 780 DCII which was overclocked aswell over 1200 core and +500 mem. Not big difference, but certainly noticiable atleast @ 1440p (also extra 1GB VRAM is always welcome for me).
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 15:56 Post subject: |
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Expect full loads on gpu in the future, right now you should be fine, imo. It certainly helps that it can be flashed to a 290x, it should be no contest that you should get it. Just...change the cooler as soon as you can, or not, do what you want. But yeah, get the 290 if it can indeed be flashed. Also, 4g of vmem should be fine should you go 3 monitors or 1440p in the future.
And to answer your edit, only when stressed.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 16:30 Post subject: |
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Getting an ACX will be tough, the Hybrid II won't mount easily in my case since I already have a h80i sat there, and I can't find the ACX for sale on any Norwegian site -- importing one would slap me with huge duty fees. Then there's the throttling issue where the card can end up losing up to 33% clock speed.. that's worrying. The noise is definitely a problem if it sounds louder than a quad of 480s, not just for me (I have headphones) but my wife as well.
Bah. Either way, whoever phones me back first wins the money ^_^
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 16:31 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Okay, I've got a great opportunity here and I don't want to waste it or have buyer's remorse and regret later; A Gigabyte GTX780 Windforce (rev1) or a Sapphire Radeon R9-290 (reference board) -- the 780 is £250 and the 290 is £220.
.... so, what would you guys recommend? |
GTX 780. WindForce is a bit noisy cooler at load but it's ok card. rev 1 is a reference card with WindForce cooler.
ps. Why dont you consider MK-26 cooler? Way much better solution than Accelero. With MK-26 you can pick some quality fans with the proper air pressure. Same could be said about Peter2.
http://www.alpenfoehn.de/index.php/de/uebersicht-vga-kuehler/14-vga-kuehler/121-peter2
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 17:41 Post subject: |
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It's much better than they let you choose proper fans instead of forcing you to pay for some (mostly) poor fans.
If you want silence and cooling power then of course you need to be ready for some huge cooling solutions. 
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 18:05 Post subject: |
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You could always ask someone to buy a cooler for you and ship it as a gift, surely that saves you some taxes.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 18:15 Post subject: |
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pro tip, dont put it in original box and leave out manual or whatever little pieces that you dont really need when its shipped to you. and when you have to write down the worth of package write down $12 and then as description "spare electronic parts". avoided taxes this way for the past decade.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 18:28 Post subject: |
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Dont forget guys that every single aftermarket cooler has shitty VRM cooling, and that gets hot in 290/290X (only proper aftermarket cooler for good VRM cooling is Accelero Extreme IV the newest model which has completely new design on VRM cooling). Accelero Xtreme III is giving like 100c VRM temps in load, absolutely horrible (lots of tests in OCN). Sapphire Tri-X cooler is awesome tho, too bad you cant get it separately.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 18:39 Post subject: |
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Yes MK-26 has also bad VRM cooling, not to mention you need to modify those heatsinks to place them properly on 290/290X VRM chips.
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 18:52 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | If I did manage to get any cooler, it would be the ACX4. The Hybrid would be clunky in my case (though it comes with a heatsink for the VRMs too) and the MK-26 is overpriced. The 780 dude hasn't gotten back to me yet so it looks like it'll be the 290 after all .. I just hope the throttling and the noise aren't as bad as I'm suddenly fearing it will be  |
Can't you return any of them?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 18:53 Post subject: |
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These aren't from a store, so unless they're broken then no.
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 18:58 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | These aren't from a store, so unless they're broken then no. |
Would've been really great if you could have returned any of them, I assume the disappointment will be really high if the card underperforms regarding sounds and temps.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 19:02 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 19:14 Post subject: |
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@couleur If that is true then maybe it's just because, in the past, Nvidia has purposely not optimised as well as they could to try and sell more newer cards?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 19:24 Post subject: |
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AMD did the same with the 7000 series, so why would nvidia not be able to do this?
Plus what Newty says, i have no doubt that they limit us in so many ways, just to get new cards out on almost yearly basis..
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 19:25 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | Yes MK-26 has also bad VRM cooling, not to mention you need to modify those heatsinks to place them properly on 290/290X VRM chips. |
I wouldnt say it's bad because it cant fit 290/290X VRM chips. As I said before you can use different heat sinks if the original ones are for some reason wrong. Of course full block is the best solution but that doesn't mean anything if the contact between VRM and heat sink is poor or if the fans are crap.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 19:47 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | AMD did the same with the 7000 series, so why would nvidia not be able to do this?
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What do you mean exactly? The 13.2 driver update (or was it another one, I cant recall exactly) or Mantle?
Because for Mantle it is a whole different thing than what Nvidia is doing here, since Nvidia didnt need to develop a new API, which needs to be implemented by devs (Thief, BF4) and so costs alot of extra work.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 20:13 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'm going to sit this out and wait a bit. £220 seems like a great deal at first but then you factor in the incredible noise, the heat and the throttling.. it suddenly stops seeming so great. Buy an ACX? That adds another £60-70 to the price. By then you're looking at £290, £310 with shipping costs, which puts the card £20 less than a brand new Asus R9-290 OC with a DCU2.
I'll just wait, see what happens with the market and buy in a month or two.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 20:18 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | AMD did the same with the 7000 series, so why would nvidia not be able to do this? |
Eh? Driver gains you mean?
That was more efficient use of the architecture. What Nvidia are claiming is gains similar to Mantle all around, in all games on all cards by magically working around DX11's poor scheduling and threading. That's just absolute bullshit  |
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Apr 2014 21:21 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Yeah, I'm going to sit this out and wait a bit. £220 seems like a great deal at first but then you factor in the incredible noise, the heat and the throttling.. it suddenly stops seeming so great. Buy an ACX? That adds another £60-70 to the price. By then you're looking at £290, £310 with shipping costs, which puts the card £20 less than a brand new Asus R9-290 OC with a DCU2.
I'll just wait, see what happens with the market and buy in a month or two. |
I'd get the 780 if I were you. It costs as much as a 770 and you have a guarantee it wasn't used for mining since it's starting to die down (it's not profitable anymore).
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Bah, I'll get the 290 and then buy an aftermarket cooler down the line - it is the overall better card (DerpX not withstanding, so I guess I won't be seeing wolf-fur in Witcher 3 
) and with better cooling it will overclock nicely too. Thanks guys, much appreciated!
Basically I've got the two choices right now and I'm waiting on replies from both sellers - if the 780 guy gets back to me first, I'll get that and vice versa.
It's a 3 slot before you even add the fans. That's excessive if you ask me. Nonetheless, I'll get whichever comes first today and if that's the 290 then I'll figure something out with the cooling later.
how to do this?
