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| Casus wrote: | I've seen a complex analysis of Prometheus or even Avatar. As I said, people will believe anything.
It really can't change my perception of the game.
I've played both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls - and there's nothing there but the most vague of outlines. It's just bits and pieces of dark and obscure references.
I'm sure you can combine them and if you struggle a bit - you might come up with something that feels like a consistent plot.
Sadly, I've seen no reason to do so - as nothing about the story appealed to me at all.
I need interesting characters and compelling dialogue. I have no use for a few sparse sentences.
If that's good writing in your world, great, but to me it's weak shit.
I'm sorry, but it really is. |
yup, to you it is. if putting info together is too much for you, you could always watch yt videos on that, but i guess even that is too much, so you preffer straightforward spoonfed approach, on that we can agree. afterall, galaxies and kingdoms wont save themselves lol.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 15:55 Post subject: |
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Why would I watch a youtube video of a story I don't care about from a game I find sparse and extremely samey?
Just to see if I imagined everything based on the claim by some random Hump person who keeps insisting these bits and pieces all add up to this masterful and complex story? Also, a person who deliberately ignores what I've said about Bioware and how I prefer a different kind of story - to create a needlessly antagonistic atmosphere?
Well, I guess I could do that - but I'm at work and I can't really sit and watch youtube videos from here. Maybe later.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:04 Post subject: |
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But you are the one creating antagonistic atmosphere here, you started with saying its shit, then that its shit for you, then you went back again to saying its shit in general. You preffer bioware/other approach and more generic streamlined stories - thats fine, i`m not saying its shit (like you do), i`m just saying that after 20 or more years of playing games i`m pretty much fed up with this approach and cliches all over the place. thats why i can appriciate something different now and then, at the same time i can understand that not everyone might like that approach, have time to put it all together etc, i`m just against crap like saying that ds games have no story, its simply bullshit, nothing too argue about there.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:05 Post subject: |
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Why so personal Remy? Casus already stated several times that he doesn't find the story engaging. Good for you that you are still able to enjoy it for yourself.
Edit: You ninja'd my post.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:08 Post subject: |
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nothing personal there, not even single "simley". move on.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:10 Post subject: |
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Well you kept on pounding "dark souls is mature, but if you like kingdom rescue / gay space sex", just because casus said he prefers Mass Effects Story / telling over Dark souls. Also Bioshock definitely was no such silly thing...
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:11 Post subject: |
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I'm kind of confused here...
Some of you speak about the game as if it's already out but I can't find it anywhere, is it even out (on PC of course since this isn't the console section)? o.O
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:12 Post subject: |
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On consoles yes and plenty has been told about the game in various videos (f.e. lore videos).
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:13 Post subject: |
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Then where the poopernickle are the video comparison videos coming from (PC vs random console)??
Fuck, this is why I hate it when the release dates differ so much. >.<
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:15 Post subject: |
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| remyleblau wrote: | | But you are the one creating antagonistic atmosphere here, you started with saying its shit, then that its shit for you, then you went back again to saying its shit in general. You preffer bioware/other approach and more generic streamlined stories - thats fine, i`m not saying its shit (like you do), i`m just saying that after 20 or more years of playing games i`m pretty much fed up with this approach and cliches all over the place. thats why i can appriciate something different now and then, at the same time i can understand that not everyone might like that approach, have time to put it all together etc, i`m just against crap like saying that ds games have no story, its simply bullshit, nothing too argue about there. |
Yes, it's shit to me. When I call it shit - that's because I think it's shit, not because I'm deciding it's shit for you.
But I'm not inventing stories about you loving gay parades or whatever you're trying to say to manipulate my point.
I've said that I don't think Bioware can tell a mature or plausible story - I simply prefer it to Dark Souls.
Essentially, they're both shit - but Bioware is less shit.
But I don't need to put words in your mouth to make my point, and that's the difference between you and I.
Also, I haven't said Dark Souls doesn't have a story - I said it doesn't have MUCH of a story.
No amount of analysis on youtube can ever change that - though I'm perfectly ok with you having a different opinion.
It's all good.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:16 Post subject: |
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@Prefetian - first time you`re seeing jurnos get early access to games?
@Casus - and where did i put word in your mouth? by saying that bioware games are 'save galaxy and fuck your (gay or les) team members'? sadly, its true, thats how those games look like.
@PA - cuz save galaxy/kingdom + gay romance pretty much sums current bioware games, theres nothing personal there. and i`ve never said bioshock contains such bullshit, so dont say i did.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:36 Post subject: |
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Bioware has homosexual romance in four* of their twenty-five games and suddenly that's all they do, apparently. Remyleblau, ladies and gentlemen.
*Five if you count SWToR's bizarre segregation planet.
~edit~
Sorry, I forgot about BG <3
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:42 Post subject: |
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here, i will bold it for you you sabina:
" save galaxy/kingdom + gay romance pretty much sums current bioware games"
now, since you dont have anything to say, go troll somewhere else.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:47 Post subject: |
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Since you're the one that keeps bringing it up, it leads me to believe you're struggling with some internal issues. That's okay, this is 2014, feel free to come out - the majority of people here won't judge you and even though you may have a hard time looking in the mirror, we're here for you.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:53 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:53 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | If, by mature, you mean obscure and opaque references that you can use to invent your own story if you wish - then sure.
I call that sort of thing weak shit.
As much as I think Bioware can't tell a mature or plausible tale to save their lives - I'd take a single Mass Effect over ten thousand Dark Souls "stories". |
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I've seen a complex analysis of Prometheus or even Avatar. As I said, people will believe anything.
It really can't change my perception of the game.
I've played both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls - and there's nothing there but the most vague of outlines. It's just bits and pieces of dark and obscure references.
I'm sure you can combine them and if you struggle a bit - you might come up with something that feels like a consistent plot.
Sadly, I've seen no reason to do so - as nothing about the story appealed to me at all.
I need interesting characters and compelling dialogue. I have no use for a few sparse sentences.
If that's good writing in your world, great, but to me it's weak shit.
I'm sorry, but it really is. |
Pretty much this.
"Show don't tell" is a very different thing than "be as vague and cryptic as possible so no one sees there's nothing there".
Fanboys are the best at rejecting reality and substituting their own in order to make their favorite game/movie/whatever look deeper/better, and I guess that's a good thing for them and is what the developers intended.
But sorry, you won't convince me that a few lines of incoherent dialogue about death, mortality and the circular nature of all things and some fantasy-sounding names mentioned in loading screens make up a plot and are a good substitute for a decent narrative.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 16:59 Post subject: |
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| paxsali wrote: | | deadpoetic wrote: | | Same world, but many years after Dark souls 1 |
Not even that. It's allegedly the same "universe", but you don't see no same/similar place from DS1, AFAIK.
All that is left is basically some items, weapons, artwork ... etc. are 1:1 copied into DS II,
so it "very losely based on DS I", but essentially a separate game of it's own.
It's basically as much as a direct successor to DS I and Dark Souls I was a "direct successor" to Demon's Souls.
But that's ok, because "new players" won't be missing anything when DS II "story" "starts".  |
Im pretty sure I saw some references to some old DsK characters / places. Obviously I wont say what, because of spoilers and also that i dont remember them all
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 17:15 Post subject: |
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there are tons of references, both direct and subtle ones.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 18:25 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 19:08 Post subject: |
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Well seems like i played different game than some of you guys
BioInf's story is pretty much closer to DkS than to BioWare stuff.
Yeah its not told in big cutscenes , but the "vagueness and unclearness" is similar.
Yeah for somone who quickly clicks through dialogs might be DkS's story nonsensical and almost none for obvious reasons, but i just cant see how someone who finished the game normally can say it has no story or too cryptic and vague.
Just for the lulz i did simplest as possible comparation of main plots in DkS and ME2 (without NPC stories):
| Spoiler: | DkS: intro cutscene -> you are undead in prison -> pilgrimage to ancient land -> ring the bells -> get Lordvessel -> fill Lordvessel with 4 Lordsouls -> place lordvessel to unlock final boss -> end cuscene1
ME2: "ME1+intro" -> you are reborn hero commander -> ancient threat -> gather your bros and help with their problems -> reaper wreck -> go to suicide mission - end+ME3 |
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2014 19:12 Post subject: |
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| paxsali wrote: | I know there are tons of "refernces", D'uh!
Items, Icons, Artwork, ... a LOT of things are from Dark Souls 1.
My whole point is that Fromsoftware said Dark Souls II plays in the Dark Souls "world". However, I didn't see no "places" that show Dark Souls 1 areas. So I question how literally one has to take it when they said "world" and what exactly they ment.
Like for example: Royal Woods VS Darkroot Garden from DS vs DS:PTDE. That(!) would be a literal & valid example for me.
I didn't see nothing in the trailers, network-test, screenshots, nothing that assembles a similar example.
So I said, yes, it's in the same "universe" (instead saying world), and in that regard it's no more different than Dark Souls was towards Demon's Souls. Weapons, Items, Bosses, Enemies, Gameplay, even whole Chars (Snuggly, Patches,...) many more example from the same "universe", but not the same "world".
So @Deadpoetic can you confirm you see "places" aswell from the Dark Souls 1 world, even if slightly altered like Royal Woods VS Darkroot Garden example?
Yes or No?, no spoilers... |
i`ve responded to Deadpoetic, not to you, D'uh!
And nope, when we were talking about references we didnt have simple shit like item copies in mind, D`uh!
| prudislav wrote: |
Yeah for somone who quickly clicks through dialogs might be DkS's story nonsensical and almost none for obvious reasons, but i just cant see how someone who finished the game normally can say it has no story or too cryptic and vague. |
this.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Apr 2014 01:25 Post subject: |
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Just saw on Neogaf that Durante is working on an article for PC Gamer about the PC version's technical aspects. It will be interesting to read what he has to say, but he sounds very positive based on the few comments he's made so far.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Apr 2014 01:32 Post subject: |
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woohoo, dude is making a career lol. btw what comments did he make, anything about lighting?
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Apr 2014 02:07 Post subject: |
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