Civilization IV
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ShadowB




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 00:50    Post subject: Re: When it will be out
|nSaNe wrote:
j_singal wrote:
When the Civilization IV will be out?



Its been cancelled.
The Devs got annoyed with to many users asking questions about piracy and cancelled it.

They said "If people are just going to download it, whats the point"

He was kidding, Cobb. Razz
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CLDragon




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 00:51    Post subject:
well if they make the game in 2D it's not going to be apealing for someone who never played the Civ series. i can just imagine some of my friends going into the store and looking at the 2D screenshots going "wth is this? are they back in the 90s?"

i doubt if any publisher wants to publish a 2D game nowadays. they probably can and would make the game in 2D, but then they would loose alot more new to-be fans to the game because some peple wont even look at a 2D game.


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CobbMk2




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 01:29    Post subject: Re: When it will be out
ShadowB wrote:
|nSaNe wrote:
j_singal wrote:
When the Civilization IV will be out?



Its been cancelled.
The Devs got annoyed with to many users asking questions about piracy and cancelled it.

They said "If people are just going to download it, whats the point"

He was kidding, Cobb. Razz


so was I Wink
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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 17:46    Post subject:
http://ir.take2games.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=176763

Civ IV Gone Gold..."In store" date is still 25th Oct...
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hardcore310




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 19:37    Post subject:
2d vs 3d debate.

While I'm not a programmer nor do I have any programming knowledge, I think I have a theory on why they moved to 3d this time.

While I agree that 3d is generally not needed, when you start to add more graphical detail to a game (ie, bridges, aquaducts, cities with ports that face the ocean etc) wouldn't it be easier to model these images once in 3d instead of hiring multiple graphic artics to create them in 2d?

I would think so. As graphical detail increases the graphical artists job get's very very busy to keep up with all the different angles needed for their 2d models. Instead of making 1 bridge in 3d, they must make 6 bridges with differing viewpoints. Talk about a hastle! and therefore you have much easier programming for 3d than 2d.

Also, 3d units will move in their corresponding directions. I always hate when my f-15 flew backwards and my cavarly looked like a scene from Monty Python trying to attack a city with thier asses. Maybe they didn't want to get flanked?

While their are many benifits to 2d, I think many of you fail to see the benifits of 3d. For myself, they make for a much more immersive game.

Anyways, just my opinion.

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Adagio.81




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 19:55    Post subject:
Few games manages to make good use of the 3D engine, but from the look (and from previews) it seems like they managed to pull it off in Civ IV
When I complain about games in 3D it's mostly directed to games created by poor companies, because most (if not all) of those games doesn't use what a 3D engine can do, which always ends up with a more buggy and uglier game than if the same game would have been done in 2D
Just look at Children of the Nile, a game that came out years after Pharao (and from the same team), but IMHO it looks worse than Pharao, and from what I've heard about the game the move to 3D didn't give any benefits to the player. For a game like that 2D would have been a much better choice (2D would in this case be easier to make than 3D)
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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005 00:28    Post subject:
My first impression is that I don't like the screenshots at all. I think it looks like something out of a bad and unintersting fantasy game for children below 12 years of age. I really hope it's the kind that grows on you when you get used to it, cos CIV is one of the best series ever. I'm still playing the old one Smile
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sagboy5




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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005 01:03    Post subject:
those SS's are zoomed up typically at a lower resolution for web purposes only. ISO news guy has a review copy (supposdily) and he didnt like the graphics when he saw the SS but when he played it he said its a really nice presentation of everything on screen. Keep in mind also, alot of those SS are zoomed in quite a bit, you can zoom out and play it normally also. Dont know about you guys but I played the original civ till i couldnt keep my eyes open, the game was great. Civ 2 came out and I played that to no end as I did also with Civ 3, though all the settlers towards the end of the game always made the game drag on. Also at civfanatics.com the preview stated that the guy ran a civ 4 combat analyzer and ran 1000 tests versus a spearman and a tank, anx the tank one everyone. Also knights vs a spearman only won like 2/10 times so the reviewer says the combat system is overhauled quite a bit. No more stacks of doom ethier. Seriously go check out the preview from civfanatics, they are awsome. Cant wait! Already got my copy pre ordered along with my buddy and were going to play it till we drop. CIV series is one of those few series that holds together through time. Support fraxis on this one.
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sueil




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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005 01:06    Post subject:
As long as you can zoom out more I'll be happy.

Also that's great new about the tank. The devs really did a good job of finding everything annoying about the series and fixing it. Even if it was poor graphics I think this would be the best Civ game to date.
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Adagio.81




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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005 12:12    Post subject:
plastpose wrote:
My first impression is that I don't like the screenshots at all. I think it looks like something out of a bad and unintersting fantasy game for children below 12 years of age. I really hope it's the kind that grows on you when you get used to it, cos CIV is one of the best series ever. I'm still playing the old one Smile


I believe everybody thought so when the screenshots was released, but I've heard from trusted people that the graphics is better when playing the game, they all say the world is "more living"... I sure hope they're right

But I also know that at least one person is ready to make some new (more realistic) art for the game when released Smile
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plastpose




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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005 14:37    Post subject:
That's good to hear. I really hope you guys are right about that Smile
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Adagio.81




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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005 15:52    Post subject:
I sure hope so too, but I've got faith in the other person if it fails. The other one is the one who made the most famous art-mod to Civ3 (which was really good) Smile


Btw, there's a few great previews from some veteran Civ fans here:

http://civilization4.net/3/169/

(MarkG is the one who owns the largest Civ site known to man... Solver's preview is better though)
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Adagio.81




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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Oct 2005 15:53    Post subject:
They don't mention graphics in the previews though IIRC, because it's been mentioned so many times already
Tomorrow the 3rd part of his preview will go online (same link)
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 00:49    Post subject:
this game imho could possibly for me be the biggest release in 2005 in gaming terms Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 01:22    Post subject:
nice find Adagio, thanx for the link

omg looking forward to this..Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 01:45    Post subject:
I already booked my family a vacation for the date of release...yes Civ is that important.
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 01:55    Post subject:
Are they using the doom engine or the source engine on this one???
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 02:17    Post subject:
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flick




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 03:06    Post subject:
hiatus_gsw wrote:
Are they using the doom engine or the source engine on this one???


Neither its there own engine. Souce or the D3 engine would suck at strategy games.
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 03:06    Post subject:
Epsilon wrote:
I already booked my family a vacation for the date of release...yes Civ is that important.


Couldn't agree more, almost flunked my A levels because of Civ1 ;p
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 05:31    Post subject:
watched some low rez videos and even more psyched for the game. part of me hates the fact that firaxis is letting so little out about the game, but part of me loves em for it. unlike other games where we get bombasted with screenshots and videos and hype galore they are just like shut up and wait, youll love it. heh. civs my crack and sids my dealer.


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ShadowB




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 06:53    Post subject:
IGN has reviewed Civ IV, giving it an astounding 9.4 and stating it's the best version of Civilization yet! Very Happy

http://pc.ign.com/articles/660/660495p1.html
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 07:55    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 08:14    Post subject:
damnit i didnt want to get to excitied about the game.. then that review

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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 08:51    Post subject:
zOMG cock now so hard for this game it hurts
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 09:00    Post subject:
zTc wrote:
zOMG cock now so hard for this game it hurts


Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 09:26    Post subject:
great review. even tho ign is usually above the mark by a few points, it confirms what i was expecting all along, while the other games have mostly been dissapointments(aoe3, bw2, that one fps game) the one with the less hype, civ4, will be the one really outstanding game to come out. anyways im drooling over the review and some pics of the nice little leatherette case my babys comin in..


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 10:10    Post subject:
Fuck, i have nothing to play....when's civ4 coming out? next week?


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 10:15    Post subject:
25th in america... so whats that.. 2 and a half days away Surprised
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2005 10:17    Post subject:
-=Cartoon=- wrote:
25th in america... so whats that.. 2 and a half days away Surprised


I dunno, its next week tho Smile Nice


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