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I don't actually think the tie in was needed. Also it is clear that Ken Levine tried to end his Bioshock with the DLC. Which is fine, but it also ruin a bit for me. The Infinite ending was good. It ended very well, it was a good happy ending, just like Bioshock 1's good ending.
 Spoiler: | All the Comstock should have died with that ending. Yes the whole dimension thing pretty much fixes all plot holes. But let's be honest that is just a cop out. All Comstock should have died and Elizabeth shouldn't have the need to go to Rapture and got Sally involved. She would finally be happy in Paris. Fontaine would have been stuck in the department store forever. That would mean Bioshock would have never happened. But again, that is all possible because somehow a Comstock still happened. Unless there is a true story reason why that is (other than constant and variables), I just can't accept the DLCs story. |
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 10:05 Post subject: |
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Yeah, and DeWitt falls in love with his own daughter and they live happily ever after in a swamp - and he's actually Comstock and the story involves a lot of quantum physics and alternate realities, and....
Oh, they're really nothing alike at all.
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 11:13 Post subject: |
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@Casus I never got the feeling that Booker fell in love with Elizabeth (or I don't remember). They formed a platonic love and care during their journey. I have not played the DLCs.
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 17:25 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | | Casus wrote: | Yeah, and DeWitt falls in love with his own daughter and they live happily ever after in a swamp - and he's actually Comstock and the story involves a lot of quantum physics and alternate realities, and....
Oh, they're really nothing alike at all. |
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every time someone post this i don't get it ? what is this woosh ? |
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 17:28 Post subject: |
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why not just write : Indicates that the joke just told was too sophisticated for the listener and has gone "way over their head" ...
kids this days
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2014 19:03 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 08:01 Post subject: |
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ooooooooookay i just finished burial at sea ep 1... and i really didn't enjoy it, to be honest. it missed out on the high-flying adventure type fun that infinite had, and didn't give me the creepy dark atmosphere of bioshock, leaving me to kinda feel an 'ehhh' to the middling atmosphere that i ended up getting...
but more importantly, its story (to me) made no bloody sense. why was elizabeth there? (i mean what was her purpose in going to that reality) why THAT comstock? (why was it so important to target him in such a convoluted way when theres an infinite number of comstocks?) why bother hiring him to find the girl? I mean i get that this versions comstock killed anna when he tried to kidnap her, then 'ran away' to rapture, and i understood what they were doing and why (finding the little orphan girl), but i just dont get the purpose of the entire sequence of events... its story all seemed like a set up purely for the sake of setting up a game, rather than a story worthy of being told.... no real purpose of narrative behind it? what am i missing? this was pretty poor all around, really.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 09:00 Post subject: |
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The whole DLC happened because Ken Levine wants to "kill off" or warp up HIS Bioshock before 2K Marin fucks with it again. That is why you'll see zero reference to Bioshock 2 and also the story just didn't have to happen at all. If you can ignore the reason why Elizabeth came after this Comstock in the first place, then you'll have a decent enough experience with the story. Think of it as ME3 Citadel DLC but it's not funny and it's not fan service. Basically it makes no sense but still could be enjoyable by itself if you just go with.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 10:52 Post subject: |
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i really liked their relationship - it was... probably the most enjoyable bit about infinite to me, to be honest... its what ill look forward to again most when i eventually replay it - it really had a well-done character in liz.
which is why i actually hated the ending. I felt that all warmth went out of their relationship at the end, it was like she suddenly turned it off and became quite cold and indifferent to booker... really hated that  i mean whatever was revealed about their past, youd think the relationship that they'd built would have meant something...
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 10:55 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | i really liked their relationship - it was... probably the most enjoyable bit about infinite, to be honest...
which is why i actually hated the ending. I felt that all warmth went out of their relationship at the end, it was like she suddenly turned it off and became quite cold and indifferent to booker... really hated that i mean whatever was revealed about their past, youd think the relationship that they'd built would have meant something... |
| Spoiler: | I think you're confused, as the Booker from the DLC isn't the Booker that was ultimately "forgiven" and sacrificed himself at the end of the main game. |
At least, that's my understanding.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 11:01 Post subject: |
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Yeah...
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The "Booker" from the DLC is actually an alternate Comstock, from a universe where he accidentally killed Anna taking her through a portal, rather than simply cutting off her finger. He was transplanted out of time by the Lutece twins and trying to forget what he'd done. Elizabeth didn't want him to forget and go on with his life, she wanted to punish him for kidnapping and killing an alternate Anna.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 11:04 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | chiv wrote: | i really liked their relationship - it was... probably the most enjoyable bit about infinite, to be honest...
which is why i actually hated the ending. I felt that all warmth went out of their relationship at the end, it was like she suddenly turned it off and became quite cold and indifferent to booker... really hated that i mean whatever was revealed about their past, youd think the relationship that they'd built would have meant something... |
| Spoiler: | I think you're confused, as the Booker from the DLC isn't the Booker that was ultimately "forgiven" and sacrificed himself at the end of the main game. |
At least, that's my understanding. |
| Spoiler: | The Booker from the DLC is actually Comstock hiding out as Booker. So he's not a real Booker, he's Comstock acting like Booker. He was so destroyed, because he killed Elizabeth, he fled from Columbia to Rapture with the help of Lutece. The reason Elizabeth is so pissed is because, he killed a version of her.
That being said i still don't get how Comstock still exists if Booker sacrificed himself (although from a Multiverse theory this is stupid since its not all down to one single event). |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 11:06 Post subject: |
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| Spoiler: | I won't pretend to have a solid grasp of everything in BI - as the whole multiverse thing is a major brain fuck once you introduce multiple versions of the same characters. So, you could be absolutely right. Playing the DLC - I often had trouble figuring out what the hell was going on and why. |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 11:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 11:18 Post subject: |
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| Spoiler: | I thought you were talking about the DLC ending, since that's what Leo mentioned. But no worries.
I don't agree that the warmth went out of their relationship at all. She clearly forgave him and made him see what he had to do to get peace and redemption. He was obviously not a happy person after what he'd done.
To me, it's pretty much the most powerful ending of any video game - ever.
But, to each his own. |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 11:22 Post subject: |
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I guess we just picked up on different things in her behaviour and demeanour at that point. Not saying I hated the ENDING, not by a long shot, it's purely the vibes I was getting from her that I wish was a bit different 
Great game, regardless.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 11:25 Post subject: |
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I thought that, for me, it was more a case of steeling herself for doing what she knew needed to be done. Booker accepted his role in the events of her life and realised that he had to sacrifice himself before becoming Comstock, in order to stop it all from ever happening, but that still meant Elizabeth had to kill him -- and I think she was steeling herself to do it. Killing someone you love, or had come to love, has got to require a certain mindset or resolve no?
Either way, I completely agree with; great game, great game indeed.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2014 20:57 Post subject: |
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Is this game done? No more new DLC, no more updates? I haven't picked it up yet. Are they going to release a "complete" edition?
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2014 20:59 Post subject: |
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there was a complete edition released today for x360. in case of pc just get the initial flt release and the burial at the see ep 2 + fix from reloaded. after that you got the completest complete edition you will ever get
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2014 22:24 Post subject: |
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There are a few repacks out there. They're updated to v 1.1.25.5165 and include all available dlc:
- Industrial Revolution Rewards Pack
- Comstock's Bird's Eye Sniper Rifle
- Comstock's China Broom Shotgun
- Burial at Sea - Episode 1
- Burial at Sea - Episode 2
- Clash in the Clouds
- Upgrade Pack
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2014 22:26 Post subject: |
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oh wait, they later patched burial at see episode 2 with more foreign speak overs. totally forgot about that. if you only want english language you're fine with what i said
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Feb 2015 16:44 Post subject: |
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I finally played the 2 DLCS, Burial at Sea Ep 1 & 2.
To make a Rapture based DLC seemed like a no brainer after the tease of Rapture in the main game, but Irrational actually put quite a bit of effort in this.
But how is it in practice? Surprisingly I found this mishmash inferior to both BioShock 1 and Infinite.
Some notes:
- Ep1 is short and forgettable and with a stupid premise and ending. I disliked it. Ep2 continues from there but evolves into something more noteworthy. Namely:
- It becomes very story heavy and it later presents itself as a prequel to BioShock 1!
- High production values.
- My biggest disappointment: BioShock 1 graphical style not replicated very well.
- A single - and very weak - reference to BioShock 2, the Adonis luxury resort can be found. However for all intents and purposes BioShock 2 is being treated as simply not existing.
- You can carry multiple weapons just fine.. proving the limit they put in Infinite stupid.
- There's a Batman vision plasmid that is fun if you are looking to play stealthily.
- There's less weapons and plasmids compared to the main games so the fights are less interesting. The opportunities to use the rails and tears are also few and forgettable.
- Only one Big Daddy boss fight.. lame.
tl;dr It's a goodbye to Ken Levine's BioShock universe. He made sure the BioShock stories with these settings and characters end with this DLC. If another dev team wants to make a new BioShock game they'll have to make up something new. As such a playthrough of it is a must, although in practice you'll keep thinking "man, the main games handled x, y, z much better."
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Feb 2015 17:08 Post subject: |
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I really enjoyed this game and the dlc's.
Played the first 2 games, kinda enjoyed 2 a bit more than 1 and i found that the story kinda dragged on both anyways and the levels were always very similar to each other.
Infinite i did apreciate the story a lot more, and the gameplay even though not brilliant was fun enough, the visuals were a lot more immersive and diversive and so were the levels imo.
The dlc kinda gave the game a darker vibe as some wanted it to be from the beggining the the first ones and i did enjoy that also a lot.
The beeing said, the first 2 games are horror games at its core, they are good games, but i enjoyed this last game a lot more, i found it refreshing, something different, really felt like i was part of another world/dimension...
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