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Casus




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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 12:54    Post subject:
Expecting a smooth and playable experience on outdated hardware from a PC-centric pre-alpha module intended to push hardware to the limit, which is clearly stated to be heavily in testing - is..... super reasonable Wink

Yes, it's their fault.... I love that Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 12:55    Post subject:
Its hilarious.

I'd wait -at least- to the beta stage before busting their balls about performance.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 12:57    Post subject:
I'm still having fun with this thread.

"Chris Roberts is the most boring person...." - because he's asking mostly technical questions as a fan-service. I guess it's really important that he's a fun guy at the same time?!?

I just love that shit.

Keep it up guys! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 12:57    Post subject:
Oh look, two of the site's biggest trolls posting at once. Joy of joys. Crawl back under your rocks.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 12:57    Post subject:
EternalBlueScreen wrote:
Its hilarious.

I'd wait -at least- to the beta stage before busting their balls about performance.


Yeah, and perhaps use the brain-thingy a little and upgrade for a game intended to go all-the-way with PC hardware. That was one of the major things about the game, that it would - finally - be 100% PC-centric.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 12:58    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Oh look, two of the site's biggest trolls posting at once. Joy of joys. Crawl back under your rocks.


I'll crawl under a rock the day you get within 1% of emotional stability and start being reasonable.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 12:58    Post subject:
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97491

I guess replace "beta with "alpha". Same result.


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 12:59    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97491

I guess replace "beta with "alpha". Same result.


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 13:00    Post subject:
I'm just saying, you aren't the only one who can't run the alpha modules smoothly right now, and that's to be expected. Complaining about performance is a valid thing, but not this early, and that's my opinion - I totally respect yours to be the opposite, sabin.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 13:02    Post subject:
Actually, they want and expect you to complain about performance. It's part of the process. The only unreasonable thing is to EXPECT good performance on outdated hardware at this stage.

It's laughably unreasonable.

Of course, that's just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 13:09    Post subject:
I need a drink.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 13:12    Post subject:
I thought we were both drinking the kool-aid? Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 14:33    Post subject:
After seeing how just a single hangar with a single ship runs on my hardware, I really do not waste any time updating SC... Maybe once they add a bit more.


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 14:40    Post subject:
Every month this flares up and I'm hoping they worked on some performance tweaks yet... I guess not Crying or Very sad Laughing

Hangar feels like it's an app designed to melt your GFX card


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 15:02    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Przepraszam wrote:
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97491

I guess replace "beta with "alpha". Same result.




I'm seeing this a lot on another game I'm playing, it's so aggravating. The smug, condescending attitude that goes with it doesn't help either, I need to stay far away from it all for my own sanity.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 15:21    Post subject:
@PumpAction @MORPHINEUS

Pfft, you two unwashed peon scrubs just need to upgrade your ancient machines. This is MasterRace Territory.

@nos

Sadly the SC community is amongst the worst I've seen, it really is incredibly aggravating. I try to stay away.. but... Freelancer... *drool* I keep hoping, however futile that may be, that each new patch will improve performance or fix the broken SLi but... sadly nothing yet, and with people constantly going on about "pushing the limits of PC!" and "upgrade, you scrub, top lel" there's no reason for CR/CIG to actually do anything about the performance
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 15:34    Post subject:
I am not worthy *whips himself* Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 15:35    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
After seeing how just a single hangar with a single ship runs on my hardware, I really do not waste any time updating SC... Maybe once they add a bit more.


I didnt even bother to try and fly the dogfight thing ....ill wait for beta Cool
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 15:36    Post subject:
MORPHINEUS wrote:
I am not worthy *whips himself* Crying or Very sad


Me Gusta
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 15:55    Post subject:
Wait.. Dogfighting you say... That is in?

I am really not sure if the cry engine was the right choice for this game Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 15:59    Post subject:
Yeah, Arena Commander was launched last month and it has dogfighting - for most people that's against the AI, but a lot were given invites/passes for the multiplayer dogfighting ---- and yes, I completely agree; SlideShow Engine 3 was a poor call and it seems to me that it was done purely for the aesthetic value Sad
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 16:05    Post subject:
Dog fighting runs better than the hangar, but you still need to get past that pos of a hangar to experience it


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 17:06    Post subject:
New stretch goal announced: switch to Unreal Engine 4.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 17:09    Post subject:
Certainly, the amount of detail in meshes and textures has nothing to do with it.

It's the shit CryEngine and bad programming in an early module that has no purpose except to show off the ships you're buying, all of which are absolutely gorgeous.

Try again, and this time apply a bit of brain Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 17:11    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Wait.. Dogfighting you say... That is in?

I am really not sure if the cry engine was the right choice for this game Sad



yupp first 200000 people who signed up ( check your UEE citizen number on your account page ..or yor email ,-) ) should have multiplayer and everyone got singleplayer. And as morphi said, its running "better" then the hangar itself and if you hit esc fast enough to get to the mode selection its not that bad ^^

Man in general I do hate the fact that its not running at 60 fps in ultra on my machine but cmon, common sense dictated it would run less then smooth on anything thats older then a year. By 2016 a gtx 880 isnt high end anymore and that one ( or the amd equivalent ) should easily run SC at 60 fps.. maybe not in 4k but....

oh yeah... food for thought.. I wonder how battlefield 6 plays right now, they should come out arund the same time ... *hides under a rock*
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 17:17    Post subject:
DCB wrote:
New stretch goal announced: switch to Unreal Engine 4.




Rubbing one out to Unreal Engine 4 right now. So close to cumming.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 17:38    Post subject:
TheSisko42 wrote:
PumpAction wrote:
Wait.. Dogfighting you say... That is in?

I am really not sure if the cry engine was the right choice for this game Sad



yupp first 200000 people who signed up ( check your UEE citizen number on your account page ..or yor email ,-) ) should have multiplayer and everyone got singleplayer. And as morphi said, its running "better" then the hangar itself and if you hit esc fast enough to get to the mode selection its not that bad ^^

Man in general I do hate the fact that its not running at 60 fps in ultra on my machine but cmon, common sense dictated it would run less then smooth on anything thats older then a year. By 2016 a gtx 880 isnt high end anymore and that one ( or the amd equivalent ) should easily run SC at 60 fps.. maybe not in 4k but....

oh yeah... food for thought.. I wonder how battlefield 6 plays right now, they should come out arund the same time ... *hides under a rock*

Cool, am #61588 Smile

My main concern with Cryengine is, that I am not sure how it will handle net code wise and if it is the best choice for a space game with supposed unlimited size.

The same concerns would've been there with UE4 and so on.

I really hope that the cry engine is intelligent enough to run only the required operations at any given time. F.e. I doubt there is any need for GI or local reflection calculation in space and so on.

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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 17:50    Post subject:
Dogfighting Module

As for the engine, they've already changed the netcode significantly. These engines are mostly about presenting stuff efficiently in a visual sense - and the netcode is typically a secondary priority, unless it's specifically created for a multiplayer purpose.

Unreal and CryEngine are both primarily rendering engines, and most games using them have to alter a lot of code to adapt to whatever game they're making.

The CryEngine has been used in several MMOs, including Aion and ArcheAge - so there's nothing to prevent it from being extremely efficient for multiplayer purposes.


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 17:53    Post subject:
Dog Fighting Module Tester


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 18:07    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
I really hope that the cry engine is intelligent enough to run only the required operations at any given time. F.e. I doubt there is any need for GI or local reflection calculation in space and so on.


This is my feeling exactly, the game is just some visual showcase using brutal rendering tricks that simply aren't necessary for anything other than MasterRace bragging and showboating. Elite Dangerous looks AMAZING and its performance is orders of magnitudes better .. so while SC looks to be the better "game", ED is by far the better experience right now.

And, to echo what you said to me earlier; what game has ran like shit during "alpha, top lel" and suddenly ran 100x better at launch? So CIGShill42 is certainly right about that; come 2016 this will require an GTX880. At least CE3 was scalable and I ran C3 on Medium at 60fps, this is a goddamn joke and with certain people defending it every breath they take, why does CIG need to improve it? They won't. They'll just play the MasterRace card and tell the rest of the 99% to "upgrade or deal with it" just like the fanboys are doing now.
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