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Morphineus
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| Vechter wrote: | | MORPHINEUS wrote: | | Rage wrote: | What have you been smoking, i wonder? All 3 games were fantastic. Can't wait to see what they come up with next.  |
Mjeh, most people I know rate nr 1 high and the rest on a declining scale. Fantastic wasn't the word they used for them  |
Who cares about other people ? They always find a way to bitch about certain aspects of any game.
First 2 games were exceptional, and the 3rd one was good aswell, regardless of those shitty endings. Personally, I enjoyed the games alot, and hopefully I'll enjoy the next game from the Mass Effect universe. Also, I liked ME2 more than ME1 and I'm sure I'm not the only one in this forum to have the same opinion. |
Well they thought the same as I did, calling 2 and 3 fantastic is going way too far. I thought 2 was good (but still a let down compared to the first) and 3... well let's say: I cringed a whole lot during that one.
So my 'most people' comment was more a response to 'what have you been smoking' to show that in my experience when talking of this game it isn't far fetched what Predator_soul said |
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ixigia
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 00:51 Post subject: |
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Unfortunately looks like the multiplayer will be a strong component in this one as well, even though with more focus on bro-op https://twitter.com/NerdAppropriate/status/493147906212237312 , so we can expect another similar scenario I guess.
Personally, I'm one of the weird ones who really liked only the first game, and finished the second and third installment just because I cared about the universe, characters and lore. Didn't like the new actioney direction at all, and being a 'hater' of the classic cover system didn't make things any easier for me. I completely agree with you Dannofdawn about the third one dropping the ball: the game had some -not many- interesting moments story-wise, but the writing was noticeably less consistent and, well, not very mature. The ending was only the natural consequence of that not-so-latent laziness. (all is covered by a huge layer of IMO of course  )
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 03:50 Post subject: |
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i thought 1 was fantastic, and id say 2 was fantastic as well, and heres why..
if you combined 1 and 2 together, the unholy result could well have been the greatest game ever made... there are some things both games do REALLY well, but also some that they don't do so well... me2 tones down the rpg stuff, but makes the actual gameplay fast and insanely fun... its story is kinda ho-hum, but me's was epic... me's pacing was kinda shitty, me2 is incredibly tight, me2 had great locations, while me1 recycled a few and at times looked kinda samey... me2's 'universe' seemed a bit smaller, while me's one was massive and really substantial...
theres so much that each game did right, and plenty of spots where they stumble, so the games together make for a kickass experience, and i love them both equally but for different reasons.
me3 was decent from a gameplay point, and there was still a fair bit of content, but everything felt smaller, less epic, and the rpg'ing really took a beating, especially in player choices and the finale... but the bulk of the game was good enough, it was just unfortunately having to be compared to the two fantastic games that came before it.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 03:59 Post subject: |
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http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/28/mass-effect-4-details-bioware-comic-con/
"The new hero is apparently somehow connected to N7, the military designation Shepard held before becoming a Council Spectre. In Mass Effect lore, the N designates the rank holder is in special forces, and 7 is believed to be the highest class."
"As a “spiritual successor” to the Mass Effect trilogy rather than a direct sequel, the new Mass Effect will give players “as much choice as possible”, but playable races were not confirmed. BioWare’s Mike Gamble said co-operative multiplayer is much more important to the team than competitive."
"From the hints given, attendees believed the game might be set during Shepard’s lifetime, and perhaps in another galaxy. It’s definitely not called Mass Effect 4, though – not that that’s going to stop us, until BioWare actually gives it a title."
"BioWare also discussed the Mako, the equally loved and derided ground vehicle of the original Mass Effect. It’s back, because the next Mass Effect is also about exploring, and much faster than before, but no longer has a cannon. BioWare noted that it learned a lot from people’s frustration with the first Mako."
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=862537
-"Building a game about exploring places, so you need a vehicle for that "
-"Sounds like the timeline of #MassEffect will be during Shepard's lifetime but won't involve Shepard...hard to tell @GambleMike being cagey!" [Note: Two other tweeters said it sounds like it takes place in another galaxy, though that's not necessarily mutually exclusive with this.]
-"Seems strongly implied that new Mass Effect will be set in totally different galaxy, but will contain familiar elements. #SDCC"
-"Not playing as Shepherd, and Shepherd is not important to story - new uncharted areas. #SDCC"
-"New Mass Effect is focused on exploration of planets, Mako is meant to be fast travel on them. #SDCC"
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 04:09 Post subject: |
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Yeah, the series definitely needs more multiplayhurr garbage  
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 04:17 Post subject: |
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ffs THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE MAKO, STOP FUCKING IT UP
its bioware listening to the same fucktards that they did when making da2, all over again.
GIVE ME MY CANON BACK YOU FUCKERS. let me ride across a fucking planet and engage in big-ass monsters again, god dammit.
also im not liking this 'same lifetime as shepard' shit, unless its like 20 years before shep died or something, because if its the later years, then its definitely going to revolve around the reaper shit again (how could it not), and i would HOPE bioware is smart enough not to want to go there..
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 06:09 Post subject: |
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The problem with the Mako really wasn't the Mako itself, it was that they plonked it down on a series of mountains that were a pain in the ass to navigate around.
As to the merits of the three games, if you leave out the ending of ME3, arguably ME2 has the worst plot of the entire series. The retarded Jesus Shepard, the go-nowhere Collectors plot, painting themselves into a corner by potentially killing off the entire squad, thereby sidelining them for ME3. They pissed away an entire third of the series running in place when they should have used it to start the Reaper invasion and build up for the big showdown/resolution in ME3. That being said, I have suggested before that ME2 is probably the most fun of the series to actually play, the excessive "streamlining" notwithstanding. It just has a super retardo narrative.
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 06:58 Post subject: |
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yeah some of the terrain was kinda nuts, but thats what happens when you design terrain with a displacement map based on a crayon drawing from your children 
that said, was still fun as balls making my way through the environment... at least it didn't feel overdesigned and guided in its design, which i liked.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 08:04 Post subject: |
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It went all downhill from the first one, they removed everything that was anything from the second one and changed it into a third person shooter, great for the console players, the third one was just thrown together no fun at all. Thats just my opinion. It went down hill with every installment, don't expect any good surprises from this one.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 08:21 Post subject: |
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I hated the Mako sections in ME1. They felt like annoying filler to me inbetween the actual questing. I guess they had cool skyboxes though 
As for setting it in the same time and not moving forward... 
1 and 2 are still amazing.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 23:15 Post subject: |
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I loved the Mako in ME1 so Gief if back!
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2014 23:26 Post subject: |
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| Stinky244 wrote: | | I loved the Mako in ME1 so Gief if back! |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Aug 2014 10:09 Post subject: |
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ME was great and would have matched KotOR if not for the piss-poor mechanics in terms of progression and loot.
ME2 was a streamlined cover-shooter with dialogue and it was quite slick, but not my kind of game.
ME3 was a rushed and less polished cover-shooter with dialogue and a few tacked-on half-assed RPG features, and I couldn't finish it.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Aug 2014 12:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Aug 2014 12:28 Post subject: |
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| beyond1 wrote: | | Casus wrote: |
ME2 was a streamlined cover-shooter with dialogue and it was quite slick, but not my kind of game.
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I loved ME2, but the things is, I loved it as an interactive animation/movie. |
It was fine as such, but I went in expecting a sequel that had actually improved the game before it.
So, I was disappointed.
I also happen to prefer the mystery and discovery of the first game - and as flawed as the MAKO implementation was, I loved the concept of exploring new planets at will.
The planet scan mini-game of ME2 was a travesty.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Aug 2014 13:06 Post subject: |
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The concept of MAKO was great in theory, but the implementation was very, very bad. So bad, in fact, that it almost repelled me the first time I tried to finish the game. I tried to explore everything (I always do in RPGs) and half-way through I was so bored with bland landscapes and repetitive quests I almost said "fuck it" and unistalled the game. Instead, I just forgot about exploring, went with the main storyline and the game kinda redeemed itself. As a side note: I find it funny that people criticize repetition and copy-pasting in DA2, but praise it in ME1. For me, this is where Bioware's downfall started.
But, I'll stress it out, the concept was fine. Who knows, maybe they'll come back to it now, thanks to stronger hardware.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Aug 2014 13:16 Post subject: |
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| Aquma wrote: | The concept of MAKO was great in theory, but the implementation was very, very bad. So bad, in fact, that it almost repelled me the first time I tried to finish the game. I tried to explore everything (I always do in RPGs) and half-way through I was so bored with bland landscapes and repetitive quests I almost said "fuck it" and unistalled the game. Instead, I just forgot about exploring, went with the main storyline and the game kinda redeemed itself. As a side note: I find it funny that people criticize repetition and copy-pasting in DA2, but praise it in ME1. For me, this is where Bioware's downfall started.
But, I'll stress it out, the concept was fine. Who knows, maybe they'll come back to it now, thanks to stronger hardware. |
Difference between ME1 and DA2 is that the copy/paste thing was entirely optional in ME1 and in DA2, it was the game.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Aug 2014 13:28 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | ME3 was a rushed and less polished cover-shooter with dialogue and a few tacked-on half-assed RPG features, and I couldn't finish it. |
I thought the gameplay was more refined, the shooting just felt better, I remember thinking that if ME2 had been more like it I wouldn't have been so down on the game.
It's interesting to see so many differing opinions on the series. I played them all back to back and after the first game I was expecting the best rpg trilogy in gaming history, that really didn't work out IMO, I never want to play the games again. After the ME3 end I never wanted to play games again.
For me, ME2 was too far removed from the first game, I couldn't get past that. The cover shooting was average, I genuinely got bored of the shooting, the core gimmick, halfway through. The whole storyline felt like filler, barely anything from the 1st game had an impact, I romanced Ashley and that was pretty much skipped over completely.
I did like the N7 missions and some of the characters were really good, but the game represented everything bad about "streamlined for consoles". The only consistent good things I heard about the game was the DLC, which I skipped as I wanted the game finished.
ME3's ending was the first time I saw "entitled" thrown about so much, for that alone the whole series can go die in a fire. Every time I see someone throw "entitled" into an argument, I feel entitled to punch them in the face.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Aug 2014 13:29 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | Aquma wrote: | The concept of MAKO was great in theory, but the implementation was very, very bad. So bad, in fact, that it almost repelled me the first time I tried to finish the game. I tried to explore everything (I always do in RPGs) and half-way through I was so bored with bland landscapes and repetitive quests I almost said "fuck it" and unistalled the game. Instead, I just forgot about exploring, went with the main storyline and the game kinda redeemed itself. As a side note: I find it funny that people criticize repetition and copy-pasting in DA2, but praise it in ME1. For me, this is where Bioware's downfall started.
But, I'll stress it out, the concept was fine. Who knows, maybe they'll come back to it now, thanks to stronger hardware. |
Difference between ME1 and DA2 is that the copy/paste thing was entirely optional in ME1 and in DA2, it was the game. |
I don't see it like that. Optional or not, it was a huge part of the final game - in both cases. Finishing a game for me means trying everything it has to offer, not just following the main storyline. Which meant I was equally fucked in both cases.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Aug 2014 13:31 Post subject: |
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| nos wrote: | | Casus wrote: | | ME3 was a rushed and less polished cover-shooter with dialogue and a few tacked-on half-assed RPG features, and I couldn't finish it. |
I thought the gameplay was more refined, the shooting just felt better, I remember thinking that if ME2 had been more like it I wouldn't have been so down on the game.
It's interesting to see so many differing opinions on the series. I played them all back to back and after the first game I was expecting the best rpg trilogy in gaming history, that really didn't work out IMO, I never want to play the games again. After the ME3 end I never wanted to play games again.
For me, ME2 was too far removed from the first game, I couldn't get past that. The cover shooting was average, I genuinely got bored of the shooting, the core gimmick, halfway through. The whole storyline felt like filler, barely anything from the 1st game had an impact, I romanced Ashley and that was pretty much skipped over completely.
I did like the N7 missions and some of the characters were really good, but the game represented everything bad about "streamlined for consoles". The only consistent good things I heard about the game was the DLC, which I skipped as I wanted the game finished.
ME3's ending was the first time I saw "entitled" thrown about so much, for that alone the whole series can go die in a fire. Every time I see someone throw "entitled" into an argument, I feel entitled to punch them in the face. |
TBH, I don't really care about ME2 vs ME3. Both games failed utterly and completely to take the game where it should have gone.
So, as for which is better - I probably can't say for sure, as my heart isn't into it enough to care.
All I know is that Mass Effect was a great game - but I happen to consider KotOR much better overall.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Aug 2014 19:24 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: |
All I know is that Mass Effect was a great game - but I happen to consider KotOR much better overall. |
KotOR is light years ahead of any Mass Effect title. But that didn't stop me from enjoying the ME series, particularly the second game, and the 3rd could have ended a very good trilogy but they severely screwed up.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Aug 2014 02:10 Post subject: |
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| 4treyu wrote: | | Casus wrote: |
All I know is that Mass Effect was a great game - but I happen to consider KotOR much better overall. |
KotOR is light years ahead of any Mass Effect title. But that didn't stop me from enjoying the ME series, particularly the second game, and the 3rd could have ended a very good trilogy but they severely screwed up. |
Agreed, however KOTOR 1 was just fine and comparable with Mass Effect 1. KOTOR 2 was unfinished, not bad but light years away from mass effect series
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Aug 2014 02:20 Post subject: |
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How demanding will this engine be?
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Aug 2014 02:24 Post subject: |
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| ace2kx wrote: | | How demanding will this engine be? |
As much, or more, as Battlefield 3/4?
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Aug 2014 03:56 Post subject: |
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Out of the series, I liked ME2 the best. Gathering the crew, upgrading the ship for the final assault - loved it.
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But the biggest sin besides the ending and general retcon was multiplayer. The fact that mulitplayer was the best aspect was the biggest sin. Not only was the game rushed and incomplete, they actually put so much effort into making MP good unlike CoD with their campaigns. When all of that could have been used to help finish the game within the short window EA gave them.
