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ixigia
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Aug 2014 03:25    Post subject:


The fact that they used Last Light's engine is noticeable, looks fairly different from how I remember. Hope they didn't make it too easy Cool Face (there's actually a classic style as well it seems).
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Aug 2014 07:46    Post subject:
Wonder how the survival mode works with ranger difficulty, should be quite a challenge.
(Although I guess spartan mode and ranger won't be that easy either.)

Will be fun to re-explore Metro 2033 again and see the updates the new engine brings. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Aug 2014 08:04    Post subject:
As long as they didn't screw 2033 challenging gameplay, it'll be fine. What I'm wondering if they finally managed to give some challenge to gameplay in Last Light.
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Aug 2014 16:39    Post subject:
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/metro-redux-will-look-better-on-pc-than-on-ps4xbox-one-borderlands-the-prequel-supports-physx/
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Metro: Redux on PC will feature higher resolution textures than those found on consoles, better optimized PhysX effects (that will take advantage of PhysX 3.x) and greater levels of tessellation.

As GeForce noted:

“On PC, the collective Metro Redux package benefits from higher-resolution textures, higher-quality effects, greater levels of PnP tessellation, support for 4K resolutions, and most significantly, re-tooled NVIDIA GPU-accelerated PhysX effects built using PhysX 3.x, the latest version of the critically acclaimed physics software.”
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Aug 2014 17:47    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Aug 2014 18:44    Post subject:
Already bought the Redux version on Steam (both 2033 and LL). I thoroughly enjoyed both games, so picking both for 20 EUR was a no-brainer!
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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Aug 2014 17:46    Post subject:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Metro-2033-PC-143440/Specials/Technik-Test-1131855/

Tech comparison and benchmark between 2033 and 2033 Redux.


EDIT: Strange that they are testing with 14.6 for AMD when it's 14.7 that has a profile for the game.
(Otherwise it seems pretty optimized seeing how much the visuals have improved though especially so for Nvidia GPU's which even sees a small performance gain from the original version whereas AMD sees a performance loss.)
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Aug 2014 00:10    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Metro-2033-PC-143440/Specials/Technik-Test-1131855/

Tech comparison and benchmark between 2033 and 2033 Redux.


EDIT: Strange that they are testing with 14.6 for AMD when it's 14.7 that has a profile for the game.
(Otherwise it seems pretty optimized seeing how much the visuals have improved though especially so for Nvidia GPU's which even sees a small performance gain from the original version whereas AMD sees a performance loss.)

The comparison screens from the article are a tad suspicious. Razz
There are better textures, but seems like they're using less tessellation overall, and a much brighter lighting (with bloom) that makes the game lose some of its original atmosphere.

(like this one, from LL http://www.pcgameshardware.de/commoncfm/comparison/?id=120798 )

Also found this, 2033 Redux vs Original: http://a.pomf.se/kpritg.webm vs http://a.pomf.se/nibpvq.webm

I guess it's a different visual direction, but to be honest, I'm not sure I like it. We'll see what happens when it gets released, though.
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Aug 2014 02:35    Post subject:
Well, I have to said I was instantly impressed by that first shot out of the 2 being compared Shocked

Looks so much better than the original for me.
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Aug 2014 23:11    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Aug 2014 23:14    Post subject:
It looks.. brighter.
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Aug 2014 23:31    Post subject:
Global illumination was added, for Metro 2033 they adapted the graphical style from Last Light in addition to the game engine so yeah it's brighter but even Last Light Redux is brighter than the old version.
(That PCGamesHardware.de benchmark has a comparison slider that shows this fairly well. -> http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Metro-2033-PC-143440/Specials/Technik-Test-1131855/ The comparison picture with the title "Last Light Original vs Redux")


EDIT: Some screens from a guy playing (testing) a review copy.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4896694&postcount=1417


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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Aug 2014 23:32    Post subject:
Last light is 5 bucks on steam. Wonder if I should get it or wait for isodemo of redux version.
I've finished the isodemo without dlc and steam have complete pack for 5


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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Aug 2014 23:34    Post subject:
Redux is 3.5 keys now, get it/
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Aug 2014 23:36    Post subject:
keys ?


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TF2 keys, people still don't know about those? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Aug 2014 00:04    Post subject:
I never played tf2 in my life

How much is one key? and what how where


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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Aug 2014 03:19    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
TF2 keys, people still don't know about those? Very Happy


Nope, don't play it and I don't understand how these key trades work.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Aug 2014 04:09    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
I never played tf2 in my life

How much is one key? and what how where

2.5$ on steam market
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 21:18    Post subject:
Whoaaaa..

I'm playing the Redux version (I want a different experience this time so I'm playing it on "Spartan", the more pew pew friendly version compared to the original - although I'm so early in the game that basically I haven't encountered any serious combat so far) and the improvements are massive.

New soundtrack that works well with the action/cutscenes, new notes that help explain the story and expand on the lore, much better to the eye art assets.. Some killer global illumination.. (I miss some heavy volumetric lighting, but the art improvements alone more than make up for it. Oh and Artyom's new voice.. not a deal breaker but I prefer the original.)

It feels so much more polished. It hooked me immediately. It just "flows" so much better.

Weird to see this thread just died like nobody played this. Get to it Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 21:44    Post subject:
Gameplay in this game was already leagues above Last Light, but yeah, the technical improvements certainly must add a lot to the experience and I'm sure we can say this is now the definitive Metro game. I plan to be playing it soon Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 21:47    Post subject:
Moar:

Unless I am terribly mistaken there are just tons of new conversations the NPCs have in the station.. So many I have trouble hearing them all since they are in real time and some of them overlap each other. So much more world building, atmosphere and so on..

Really impressive stuff.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 22:05    Post subject:
I hope the stealth is improved as well. I remember it being all over the place especially during the nazi level on ranger difficulty.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 22:08    Post subject:
Yeah there were a few problems with stealth beyond half-game but at least it was properly challenging contrary to the complete joke it was in Last Light Reaction
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 22:13    Post subject:
Bah it crashes my drivers all the time.

Seems like PhysX doesn't quite work as it should with the new Maxwell GPUs => crashes.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/286690/discussions/0/613940109825378746/

I'll disable it. Neutral edit: At least I hope it is PhysX because some people say the crashes persist Sad


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 23:28    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
Bah it crashes my drivers all the time.

Seems like PhysX doesn't quite work as it should with the new Maxwell GPUs => crashes.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/286690/discussions/0/613940109825378746/

I'll disable it. Neutral edit: At least I hope it is PhysX because some people say the crashes persist Sad


Well, I can confirm that disabling Advanced PhysX fixed my crashing. I'm on GTX 970.

Anyway, just playing this game for the first time ever. I wasn't interested back in 2010, and I rather didn't push Last Light on my old GTX 570 ('fraid it would melt Very Happy) when it came out, so now, with the Redux version out and my new 970 ready to get to work, it seemed like the most perfect time to jump on board. Needles to say, I'm impressed so far. Hopefully, Last Light is just as good.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 23:41    Post subject:
bronson wrote:
I hope the stealth is improved as well. I remember it being all over the place especially during the nazi level on ranger difficulty.

It's definitely better. Razz All the animations and mechanics are borrowed from Last Light, but the different level design somewhat makes the AI blindness less noticeable if compared to LL.

@consolitis: I couldn't agree more! Smile

I actually forgot to post here, but I finished this remake a while back, and was very impressed by its quality.
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2561432&highlight=#2561432
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 23:44    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:

It's definitely better. Razz All the animations and mechanics are borrowed from Last Light, but the different level design somewhat makes the AI blindness less noticeable if compared to LL.


Hopefully this doesn't mean that they copied the stealth mechanics from Last Light and put it in 2033 Redux, cause that would effectively ruin the whole thing. I will remain optimistic though Razz
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 00:23    Post subject:
4treyu wrote:
ixigia wrote:

It's definitely better. Razz All the animations and mechanics are borrowed from Last Light, but the different level design somewhat makes the AI blindness less noticeable if compared to LL.


Hopefully this doesn't mean that they copied the stealth mechanics from Last Light and put it in 2033 Redux, cause that would effectively ruin the whole thing. I will remain optimistic though Razz


Partially, instead of gradual visibility it's that on/off thing from Last Light and enemies are a bit more forgiving if you are spotted.
(They calm down faster if you disappear, I believe they remained alert forever originally.)
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 00:56    Post subject:
Oh dear. Naïve me Rage

Way to ruin a beautiful thing.

Here I was thinking that maybe they made the stealth in Last Light more meaningful and challenging and actually it was the other way around lol wut

Oh well, at least I didn't pre-order that crap and got the full pack for under 10 bucks.
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