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The key phrase perhaps. In-game store inbound?
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 15:30 Post subject: |
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Braben's laugh from all his video presentations has, now, another meaning for me. 
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 15:31 Post subject: |
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How is always-online a bad thing though? Isn't being connected important to the social side, receiving economy updates/patches and so forth. Star Citizen is always online too right?
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 15:37 Post subject: |
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| EternalBlueScreen wrote: | | How is always-online a bad thing though? |
Are you... like... I mean... don't you even at least see... just... nvm... 
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In other news: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=59016
So, hehe... "encouraging" info ain't it?!  |
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 15:40 Post subject: |
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The thing is, it could never be 100% offline, as all the procedurally created star systems are created on servers, not in the client PC. As such, I can't understand exactly how they could translate that into an offline feature. (I know Frontier did it, but that's not in the same league of complexity.)
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 15:43 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | | (I know Frontier did it, but that's not in the same league of complexity.) |
You're right, Elite Dangerous isn't even in the same league of complexity as Frontier. You could land on fucking planets in Frontier. Come on Kaltern, don't tell me you of all people buy into their "server processing" bullshit?
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 15:43 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 15:49 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | Wait, so ONLY NOW they announce that you need to be ONLINE to be able to play the SP part of the game?! 
| Werelds wrote: | | It sucks, but at least no one's forced into MP. |
The tolerance to bullshit levels you guys have reached is really worrying. |
Tolerance to bullshit? Me? 
I just saw this coming a mile away and am not surprised in any way. I'm just afraid to say anything bad (or good) about ED and SC because there's always pricks like you attacking me straight away, nitpicking on every word I say about these games. I'm either a hater or a fanboy and in this case you're being extra hilarious, because I've been one of the few who's been saying that Frontier are no better than CIG.
But it's okay, I'll leave the thread again. I've got better things to do than this shit. |
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 16:09 Post subject: |
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I'm not surprised or even affected by this, but even to me who am probably what you lot would consider a fanboy, this is a very very low blow
To counter what sabin was saying about the forums, the 110 mass thread in there is probably 60-70% disgust at this move.
This won't disappear quietly, I'm sure
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 16:16 Post subject: |
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I've been reading that megathread and the ratio is more like 60-70% approval and 30-40% disgust. With the approval count showing disgust towards complainers.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 16:59 Post subject: |
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I'm also not much affected by this.
But this means No Server = No Game. And that's a big BS.
I don't remember if they have promised this during the KS campaign, but if they have, they can/should be sued.
I'm disappointed with Braben & Co.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 17:06 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Kaltern wrote: | | (I know Frontier did it, but that's not in the same league of complexity.) |
You're right, Elite Dangerous isn't even in the same league of complexity as Frontier. You could land on fucking planets in Frontier. Come on Kaltern, don't tell me you of all people buy into their "server processing" bullshit? |
*ponders*
Well, yes they COULD make this particular game into a single player, offline game. And yes, the game was developed months ago with the knowledge it would NEVER be offline, the fact which was somehow not passed this onto the people paying and 'testing'. And yes, Community Manager Brookes IS coming across as a slightly insufferable, smug prick with his cookie cut, slightly condescending replies to forum posts...
Oh, and that Mr Brookes has also now confirmed that you 'only need to go online to complete certain transactions, such as any trading'...
Yeah ok, my cynicism has returned to normal... apologies for the momentary lapse....
Clearly the online aspect is DRM and RMT related, and also the original KS campaign clearly stated that offline play as part of the original plan. Of course, plans do change, but it would be responsible for game developers to involve their beta testers of such changes - you know, the ones who paid £50+ to test?
Sigh... and it was going so well too 
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 17:18 Post subject: |
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He is a smug prick and the fact that he plays this off as "best for everyone" and how "we didn't come to this decision lightly" - yet funnily enough didn't see fit to tell anyone until 2 years into development, and only then as a footnote in a newsletter that was twisted in PR speak bullshittery. Fuck off. He's a lying cheating cunt, just like the rest of the team. Also, does anyone remember this?
https://archive.today/kCfuD
ding ding ding ding
Dynamic in-game advertising from 3rd party advertising agencies. Funny how this was uncovered in August and suddenly, two months later, game is made online-only and offline functionality has been stripped.
"Funny"
Also, I apologise to Tungsten. I've read the entire thread now (seriously, I'm fuming about this decision. I had every intention of buying E:D but not now, I refuse to purchase online-only arbitrary DRM infested bullshit) and it really does seem like the majority are pissed and complaining about the decision, but it's the vocal minority that are skewing the discourse by attacking the complainers and fanboy splooging all over Michael Brooke's tits.
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The gaming media is finally starting to get wind of it;
http://vrfocus.com/archives/8781/elite-dangerous-offline-mode-dropped-hit-community-backlash/
I truly hope this goes all round the major sites and that FDEV get suitably reamed for it in the media.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 17:25 Post subject: |
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Yes... good point, I'd not forgotten that either. If I start seeing advertising for things available today, I will block every damn port until it blocks the advertising - and if that breaks the game I will complain to the highest possible court, because if you can't play a game you have paid for, without forced advertising (which isn't relevant to the game in any way), then I deem that to be not just unethical, but something that I should be able to claim against.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 17:38 Post subject: |
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No apologies necessary sabin, sadly I went through a lot of that thread hoping to find some word of explanation from FD about it , as I too am angry about it.
They really are fucking pissed over there too.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 17:48 Post subject: |
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Damage control incoming
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 17:48 Post subject: |
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@sabin1981
Jesus o.O
About the advertisement clause in the EULA
"It then goes on to state the advertising only works while connected to the internet so if you don’t want to receive it, just unplug yourself from the web!"
Look at Frontier, how great they are. There might be ads in game but if you don't want to see them, just go offline.
Duplicitous assholes
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 17:49 Post subject: |
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I hope people stick to their guns and truly demand refunds and I hope, I really hope, that the financial sting is keenly felt by FDEV. Bait and switch, disingenuous, bullshit like this needs to be clamped down on. They took millions from investors and millions from backers for a game and a promise they're no longer delivering on. Urgh, reminds me of Star Command actually. I want this game to succeed, I really do, we need more space sims - but I don't want it to succeed by underhanded tactics and cheating bullshit, nor do I want EA-like lies and pushes for "online only"
We need more space sims, not more forced online titles.
| vaifan1986 wrote: | @sabin1981
Jesus o.O
About the advertisement clause in the EULA
"It then goes on to state the advertising only works while connected to the internet so if you don’t want to receive it, just unplug yourself from the web!"
Look at Frontier, how great they are. There might be ads in game but if you don't want to see them, just go offline.
Duplicitous assholes |
And then, surprise!, two months later; no offline mode! No escaping those insidious ads!
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I don't think I'm ever going to look forward to any new game ever again. I though that of all the games being developed, Braben might have been our lord and saviour... but no, the disease that is corporate greed just knows no bounds.
I wish I had the funds to run a game project.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 17:56 Post subject: |
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Their vision is to sip cocktails from a coconut on a Caribbean beach while various molluscs suckle their toes, laying on a beachtowel made from £50's.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 17:58 Post subject: |
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I suspect we are already past the zenith anyway, but this sort of thing is likely to put the kibosh on Kickstarter as a viable route for mid-tier developers to get game funding. Which is a real shame, as there really does need to be a way for the likes of Obsidian, inXile, Larian, etc. to raise funds without suckling at the teat of a publisher or other investor.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 18:03 Post subject: |
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There's another dark aspect to all this; servers need money to run and not just odds and ends from expansion sales that eventually dry up, but a continual stream of steady and sizeable cash. Same shit with Star Citizen which has been conveniently brushed aside for now while they show off something shiny to distract the audience. Where is this money coming from? Both games "claim" no subscription fees yet, surprise!, both games *require* online connections and persistent internet access even when travelling inside "instances" (Brooke confirmed that the servers are for whenever you travel to a new system, interact with players or even purchase trade goods at a station) - so again, where is this stream of revenue coming from that keeps the servers - the glorious servers that have to render the entire galaxy and calculate all the changes and dynamism and absolutely not bullshit like EA's server farm claims honest!!!! - alive?
Yeah, microtransactions (I'm still fully convinced SC will renege on their "promise" that they'll shut them down once the game launches) and subscriptions. ED has now removed the offline functionality they promised and added hidden live and dynamic advertising in the game. Who wants to bet subscriptions are next? Oh they'll play them off as "not mandatory for the game experience, they're PREMIUM that ENHANCE but aren't REQUIRED.. spinspinspin"
*sigh*
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 18:08 Post subject: |
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'5 more ships than was originally planned... backers get to pick one as a thank you.'
What's the betting the other 4 are available 'for only £19.99 each (not including optional extras such as goldfish and feathers)'.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 18:36 Post subject: |
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That was posted by a moderator, not a staff member - that comment is currently being ripped to pieces by me and others - yet SOME people are defending it... let me post some of my favourites:
| Quote: | Quote Originally Posted by Kaltern View Post
*sigh* DRM - Digital Restrictions Management is the practice of imposing technological restrictions that control what users can do with digital media. When a program is designed to prevent you from copying or sharing a song, reading an ebook on another device, or playing a single-player game without an Internet connection, you are being restricted by DRM. This concentrates control over production and distribution of media, and conduct large scale surveillance over people's media viewing habits.
PrometheusDarko: Very good. Now. How, exactly, is having the server handle various portions of the game that your personal PC physically could not handle restricting distribution of said media? It would appear to me, that this is simply ::gasp:: a game that has multiplayer at its core. It's almost as though Devs have been on this exact thread with that exact sentiment! It's almost as though for the last few months, if you've played the game, it's been online! No, that can't be it. It has to be those evil evil evil Devs who hate us and want the game to fail, mwuahahahahaahahahahahaha |
Oh and he's been banned btw
| Quote: | Originally Posted by tomba4 View Post
So it looks like DRM, feels like a DRM and works like a DRM. Ah, yes, it's a multiplayer game! Stupid me...
Kicks: I wish you wouldn't bandy about the term DRM like you know what it means.
Actually, scratch that, I think you *do* know what it means but do not know how to apply it to this situation. MMOs need online connectivity. That's it. End of Story. Close the Book. End the relationship. Tell dad you don't like him anymore.
You repeatedly saying that it is DRM, doesn't make it any more true. |
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2014 18:46 Post subject: |
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Oh no sorry, the first troll I posted, PrometheusDarko, has been banned for whatever reason - I hate people who profess to know everything about nothing.
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