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matta666
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| frogster wrote: |
from my pov ? is not significant at all.
if i game have always online mode and oflline mode, with no difference between, i will always play online.
but i have issues with people straight lying various stuff. because if they lie about something, i don't trust they will deliver anything anymore. that's why is a big issue for me. |
No, if you want to get technical you can say that the developer didn't breach the contract that you made with them when donating.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 15:09 Post subject: |
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Can't you get refunds, people?
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 15:10 Post subject: |
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Refunds considered on a case by case basis, according to Frontier staff.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 15:49 Post subject: |
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| PredOborG wrote: | https://store.zaonce.net/cancellations-returns/
Just refund and stop complaining with useless arguments. Go on and win your little battle against the greedy devs. |
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments
Yes. People are certainly going to win their "little" battle.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 16:05 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 16:26 Post subject: |
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Didn't you refund already ?
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 16:27 Post subject: |
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I don't think anyone's gotten their refunds yet.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 16:31 Post subject: |
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Me? I don't want a refund. Not once has the notion crossed my mind.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:19 Post subject: |
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Ffs DB is currently taking questions in the forum, myself and numerous others have asked about the offline thing, but naturally those questions have been overlooked in favour of one's that are far more positive.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:22 Post subject: |
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Wow I sure am glad I didn't kickstart this one.
Why do all the space sims seem to go to shit lately?
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:42 Post subject: |
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:43 Post subject: |
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Originally Posted by Kaltern View Post
Would you like to explain in some detail why the decision to pull offline mode was only announced a few days ago, and what the reasons for doing so were. Many people are under the impression this was done to enforce DRM and in game advertising.
Back during the Kickstarter, we were clear about the vision, to make a phenomenal new sequel to Elite in an online world, which we believe we are about to deliver. At the time we believed we could also offer a good single player experience, and base an acceptable offline-only experience off that. As development has progressed, it has become clear that this last assumption is not the case. That experience would be empty at best, and even that would take a lot of extra work.
It is not to enforce DRM or advertising as you suggest. We will be judged on quality, and the quality of that game experience would be poor, and we don't want to deliver a poor game. To make a richer offline single player experience has always been possible (and still is) but would be a separate game with its own story content. A huge slice of separate work. We have developed a multi-player game with an unfolding story involving the players, and groups collaborating with specific objectives and taking account of all players behaviour. This is what the game is about. Without this it would not be the rich gaming experience that we will deliver, and would be a great disappointment to all players.
I don't pretend it was an easy decision, but it was done to benefit the game as a whole. One thing we have looked at carefully is our requirements of the network connection. For the single player game they are pretty light. I myself have played the game fine on the train using a laptop on a tethered connection over my phone. Given that this is a game which is only available online, this was the decision we took. I am sorry that people are so upset about it, but it was the right decision.
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jippyuk
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:45 Post subject: |
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| Tungsten wrote: | | https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=60284&p=1024476&viewfull=1#post1024476 |
he is so full of shit.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:51 Post subject: |
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inb4 Ubisoft's "it was a really hard decision to make, but we had to release the game in an early state to mitigate costs"
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:52 Post subject: |
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reading the replies of the dev and head guy it seems pretty sensible what has been said, the servers are a persistent online setup where being online is key to it and its changing economy via players etc.
I can not see how well an offline version would work if its not got the possible code content to deliver a "today's" expected game. It is probably safer to not release an offline version if it portrays dumbed down playability, it would do the game more harm than good.
Now if it was originally said it had "been" coded for offline use at the offset then so be it, but when they made that choice to stop that and mention it is more important than if they stop it at all.
None of you are gaming devs or top brass I would guess, so can be pretty sure here that you are all just spewing a little on just rage fueling from what YOUR expectations were originally. Take that as you will I am sure flames will ensue they normally do here in hostilehump 
If its in the best interests it is in the best interests and nothing that is said can change that, only the devs and the like can be sure of how things are progressing and how they may affect such offline systems. It is a shame that the game may not be able to be as good/indepth as its online counterpart but hey can you imagine eve offline, no not me either - and nobody may reply to that which has no long term play background with it.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:52 Post subject: |
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I don't like always-online games for the reason that mods are highly unlikely and seriously, people were creaming themselves at the idea of mod potential. Not to mention that these games WILL die in the future.
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jippyuk
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:57 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Aye, I just found it as I was posting, but thanks  Personally I will never go anywhere near an FDEV game ever again, nor will I support fraudulent scammers like David Braben. I'm done. Now Casus can rub himself raw in the thread all to himself, I'm out. Fuck this company, fuck this developer, fuck this team, fuck anyone that willingly supports signing away even more player freedoms to a fraudulent scumbag. |
i just hope u aren't going to every store, every restaurant, every marketplace in real life just to tell them that u are going tu fuck em, fuck their bosses, fuck every customer there only because they didnt give u a chance to buy your promised toy, meal or whatever.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 17:59 Post subject: |
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Im not getting why being online is fraudulent sabes, why? its just being online its not asking you to bend over and copy paste ur ip to them every 5 mins making online hell.
Tensions are high and seeing such makes it obvious people who are upset about the discussed problem here really wanted to play this, the trouble is it is still able to be played lol.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 18:45 Post subject: |
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| inz wrote: | | I don't think anyone's gotten their refunds yet. |
I'll be surprised if anyone gets a refund.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 19:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2014 19:47 Post subject: |
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Q: Will we need an Internet connection to download game's updates ?
A: Yes, and we are sorry about that.
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I don't want FDEV to get away with stripping functionality and locking the game behind online authenticated DRM but dressing it up as some important function that the game cannot function without ("Sim City" so to speak) but I don't want people screwing them out of money for no other reason than "Hmmmm, with all this refund stuff, I could score myself some profit!" -- but yeah, I think it's going to happen as vultures take advantage of the situation.
