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Hilarious.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2014 19:00 Post subject: |
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Hahah that's the best approach really, hands down. Them haters who are gonna hate only fuel (literally) our beloved Hatred  
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2014 21:34 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2014 14:44 Post subject: |
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Neon
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couleur
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 20:14 Post subject: |
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There are always going to be games that push the boundaries of violence and gore. But I'm not sure if I am going to like my teenage students to be playing games where the "main objective" is brutally killing people and identifying oneself to a socopathic psycho. (Or a rapist) So I'm certainly not going to support it. I am not to fond of many other shooters either (COD f.e.) since they mostly convey too simplistic and americanized views of world politics. For the kids its easier to learn from COD than from dusty history books. I just hope the kids learn to criticize what they are being told one day. I know I did and most of the guys on this forum aswell.
Then again, I guess if the game has nothing else to be interesting than ultra violence and controversy about it, I mean, challenges, objectives or puzzles, then people are going to lose interest pretty soon anyway.
What the SJWs dont understand is that by demonizing these games they are just playing in the devs hands since its exactly what they expected for free marketing.
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deelix
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 20:47 Post subject: |
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I would personally put my foot down at the killing of children, I simply wouldn't play such a game... nor do I think or hope such a game would be made. Other than that I think devs should be free to make what ever kind of game they want.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 21:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 21:38 Post subject: |
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I don't see the point of the children in the games. For example in GTA V if you see some guy walking his dog and you simply run it over or shoot it with drive by, the guy starts shooting at you or if he don't have a weapon he would just chase you on foot. And I don't see it being any different with the kids. I will just run them over and more people will die because they will get in my way trying to "protect" their already dead property. Kids/animals are just triggers for unwanted (and unneeded) collateral damage (which I don't mind but its still a hassle).
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Neon
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 00:15 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | I would personally put my foot down at the killing of children, I simply wouldn't play such a game... nor do I think or hope such a game would be made. Other than that I think devs should be free to make what ever kind of game they want. |
+1
Lot's of immature stupid bragging around here.
But you will see that once you grow up, wipe the milk off your chin and have children of your own, you will find the thought of violence against children as repulsive as other parents.
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Neon
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 00:26 Post subject: |
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 00:30 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: |
The hypocrisy in this statement is mindblowing. |
Why is that?
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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Neon
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 00:41 Post subject: |
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The abrasive, confrontational tone of his post, the mocking and insulting people that DARE to disagree, because apparently Kamamura is "grown up" and he has "wiped the milk off his chin". Of course if you were as intelligent and grown up as him you would find VIRTUAL FUCKING VIOLENCE against children repulsive.
Yes, virtual violence, cry me a fucking river. I hope you had fun interrogating and torturing an innocent man in GTA V, what a load of fun that was 
Sure, killing children as an actual feature of the game might be over the top (though fuck those Skyrim kids, the mod to be able to kill them was one of the first mods I installed on the PC version), but somehow differentiating VIRTUAL VIOLENCE vs men as OK and vs children as "immature bragging" is ridiculous at the least.
This is why video games can't grow as an art, because as soon as someone tries to touch the subject SJWs go fucking apeshit. I couldn't believe how much flak Kojima got for a fucking AUDIO LOG depicting rape. Yes, it was awful, but that was kind of the point.
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 01:02 Post subject: |
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I find symbolical violence against symbolical children repulsive, yes. But it depends alot on the manner. If violence is used in a comical and over-the-top manner I find it less repulsive than when it is used in a more realistic or "gritty" manner. Heck we all find it repulsive in some way because it is exactly that repulsiveness and the transgression thereof that make these games even appealing. What else constitutes the fun in games where violence is the objective?
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 01:11 Post subject: |
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Too much violence in games or not to your taste, fine don't play them. But no, it's not enough, I have to now go out of my way to stop the whole world from playing it. Why?! (It's the same mentality as religious extremists), why is it some people are hard wired to have to force their world view and lifestyle onto others.
When i was a teenager I would have virtually killed thousands and thousands of zombies, demons, innocent civilians, pedestrians, animals, police, robots, aliens, cities and planets. Stepping back into reality, i don't even think i could shoot a rabbit.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 01:20 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | The abrasive, confrontational tone of his post, the mocking and insulting people that DARE to disagree, because apparently Kamamura is "grown up" and he has "wiped the milk off his chin". Of course if you were as intelligent and grown up as him you would find VIRTUAL FUCKING VIOLENCE against children repulsive.
Yes, virtual violence, cry me a fucking river. I hope you had fun interrogating and torturing an innocent man in GTA V, what a load of fun that was
Sure, killing children as an actual feature of the game might be over the top (though fuck those Skyrim kids, the mod to be able to kill them was one of the first mods I installed on the PC version), but somehow differentiating VIRTUAL VIOLENCE vs men as OK and vs children as "immature bragging" is ridiculous at the least.
This is why video games can't grow as an art, because as soon as someone tries to touch the subject SJWs go fucking apeshit. I couldn't believe how much flak Kojima got for a fucking AUDIO LOG depicting rape. Yes, it was awful, but that was kind of the point. |
Well if differentiating virtual violence is stupid why would violence against children then be over the top? Why aren't there more games depicting sexual violence against children then since its all virtual? Would you be ok and enjoy a game where you need to sexually assault a child?
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 01:28 Post subject: |
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I actually didn't have fun interrogating and torturing an innocent man in GTA V. I found it repulsive and that's precisely why I think the scene was good and it's a good thing it found its way into the game, despite the expected social outrage. The sarcastic commentary about the pointlesness of torture was also pretty clever, especially considering who it came from.
Violence against children is the same for me. I find it repulsive and it doesn't matter if it's virtual or real - it's just an ugly, disturbing thing. It doesn't matter I'm fully aware it's just a game - it disturbes me and that is that. That doesn't mean, however, that I can't find a reason for it to be present in a game. I enjoyed Heavy Rain immensly, it drew me in like few games ever did, and the whole game was, in fact, about a child murderer.
The thing is... with stuff like this context is incredibily important. I find making children NPC's in games invulnerable idiotic and pointless, but I would never touch a game like Hatred with a shitstained stick, if I knew children are present in the gameworld. Just as I wouldn't play a game with a pedophil as the protagonist. Some stuff is just too much and hiding bestial themes and ideas behind the banner of "art" is just a silly pretense. Using the themes themseleves, however, and using them wisely, is another story - that is, indeed, where the art can sometimes begin.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 01:35 Post subject: |
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| xxax wrote: | | Well if differentiating virtual violence is stupid why would violence against children then be over the top? |
I didn't say violence against children is over the top (in video games, of course), I said that speaking of it as a "feature" is over the top, personally I have no problem with it- hell, in Little Lamplight area in Fallout 3 you could kill Sticky and no one bat an eye, what's more- OTHER CHILDREN LIVING IN THE CAVE actually said it's good you killed him because he was annoying. Then again, it was 2008, just at the beginning of the SJW era of gaming.
| Quote: | | Why aren't there more games depicting sexual violence against children then since its all virtual? Would you be ok and enjoy a game where you need to sexually assault a child? |
Sexual violence is kind of a different thing though, isn't it? I have no problems if the game depicts sexual violence (see: MGSV: Ground Zeroes, GTA V) if it does it in proper context. You know, like in movies? The rape scene in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo(the movie, that is) was phenomenal- BECAUSE it was awful.
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chiv
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 01:42 Post subject: |
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wait, why is sexual violence different? if we're talking about an entertainment (ie not REAL) environment, why should some horrific things be fine (because hey, its not real, grow up) but not others (because hey, its abhorrent in real life)
UNLESS its because its a PERSONAL thing because its a 'line' that YOU dont think should be crossed.. in which case, you cant really call someone ELSE out for having a DIFFERENT line beyond which they find unacceptable.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 01:54 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | | Sexual violence is kind of a different thing though, isn't it? I have no problems if the game depicts sexual violence (see: MGSV: Ground Zeroes, GTA V) if it does it in proper context. You know, like in movies? The rape scene in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo(the movie, that is) was phenomenal- BECAUSE it was awful. |
For some reason games are more taboo than movies in this regard, think of the controversy surrounding the Tomb Raider reboot, in the end they had to tone down the material. I don't understand why it is sooo freaking bad to move anywhere outside of PG themes in gaming.
In film, you get movies like: Salo, A Serbian film, Irreversible, Martyrs, Cannibal Holocaust etc. etc. shit even that stupid film Hard Candy all tackle highly disturbing material.
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chiv
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 02:02 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | Where did I say it's a line that shouldn't be crossed?  |
dont pick up on individual words and pick on them to ignore the rest of what was said.. the fact you suggest that sexual violence should be considered 'different' to other kinds, suggests a feeling that its less acceptable than other kinds of violence, which in turn denotes a point beyond which YOU find things become less acceptable.
but fine then
a line beyond which things are less acceptable. better? |
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