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| A-A wrote: | No AVP key in my hotmail, no AVP key in my isp mail..
wtf? |
"Please note that beta keys will be sent in batches, depending on service availability. Thank you for your patience." |
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 12:15 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You can still use the installer exactly as you could since the beginning of GOG, and install your games wherever, whenever, and however many times you want. It doesn’t detect where was it downloaded from either |
Huh? I might have misunderstood what they said but it seems these passwords won't prevent GOG games from being pirated. So how come it's drm?
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 12:17 Post subject: |
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It prevents the archives being OPENED unless you use their official password-ridden installer. Whether you use the password or whether it's automated means nothing, the fact that they deliberately block people opening the archives without the installer reeks of DRM to me. Their stupid reasons about "protecting the end user from broken installations" is ridiculous too.
Thankfully hackers have already found a way around, which Gower is whimpering about "thanks for hacking our software" >_>
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 14:04 Post subject: |
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Lol, this is whining for the sake of whining.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 14:12 Post subject: |
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So both before and after this change I can double click on the exe and install the game? It's fine then and absolutely not DRM.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 14:17 Post subject: |
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Yes. You can also upload it anywhere and it will still work. Just repacking it is now harder.
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typical jew comment
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 14:24 Post subject: |
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It's like saying fucking warez releases that come with protected installers use DRM and so they must be nuked 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 14:40 Post subject: |
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What? You can't extract the installer isn't that what changed? And some people are calling this DRM? Didn't I understand well? Well those people that are calling this DRM would be the ones that are trolling then.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 14:45 Post subject: |
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A company that prides itself on DRM-free has now locked their installers behind hidden passwords and encrypted content and you think this is not DRM? How are you not trolling? Just because the end result is the same "herp derp, I press install and it installs! Not DRM!" doesn't mean you are right.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 14:47 Post subject: |
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It's OK Sabin, CDPR is still the best, there is parity in all versions of TW3, like CDP said before, remember?
Oh, XBONE gets an exclusive card pack? PFFFT, who cares, they're only cards!
Oh, the graphics received a massive downgrade? Pffft, who cares, gameplay > graphics!
Oh, CDP started including a form of DRM in their supposedly DRM- free website? Not DRM!
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 14:50 Post subject: |
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How are YOU not trolling? DRM in games never ever had anything to do with whether you can extract the game data from the installer. Are you serious?!
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 15:16 Post subject: |
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I don't actually see a problem here. Why are people mad about this? Because they can't download it for free on torrents anymore? Even though most of these complainers are people who most likely never buy anything? I'm not saying I don't pirate but you get the picture. I do respect their choices not making it so easy to put these GoG files on torrents. It's easier to download it and play it then buying it. But yea some people prefer to try it out before buying, I don't mind that. But people complaining about DRM and such that never buy their games well that's just low..
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 15:20 Post subject: |
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@snakedtx
You are mistaken. These passwords won't make pirating gog games harder or anything.GOG guys even mentioned it in the article above.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 15:25 Post subject: |
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So if I got it right you can still just install via the installers, all they've done is stop you extracting the files manually from the installers?
Not really what I'd personally define as DRM, more a secondary integrity check.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 15:26 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 15:38 Post subject: |
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One issue I do see with them not allowing extraction is that it fucks over Linux/non-windows users. If they can't use the installer then they are out of luck with actually installing the title.
Does WINE let you use installers? Been a very long time since I last used Linux.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 15:40 Post subject: |
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| Steelone wrote: | One issue I do see with them not allowing extraction is that it fucks over Linux/non-windows users. If they can't use the installer then they are out of luck with actually installing the title.
Does WINE let you use installers? Been a very long time since I last used Linux. |
There's a lot of complaints on the forum about WINE not supporting the new installer (which is marked as 2.1.0 as far as I know) but then, some are stating that WINE has had problems with *all* the installers so far. So yeah, not being able to manually extract ("Because sometimes people only extract part of the file and then complain when install fails" apparently >_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>) means, for now, Linux users are SOL.
The whole "I can click install and it installs, not a DRM!" nonsense is irritatingly simplistic and rubbish. The simple fact is, their installers are now encrypted and passworded. That's a problem. It's a problem solution to an issue that doesn't exist and it's ridiculous. Yes, encryption and password lockouts are most definitely forms of DRM.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 15:43 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Steelone wrote: | One issue I do see with them not allowing extraction is that it fucks over Linux/non-windows users. If they can't use the installer then they are out of luck with actually installing the title.
Does WINE let you use installers? Been a very long time since I last used Linux. |
There's a lot of complaints on the forum about WINE not supporting the new installer (which is marked as 2.1.0 as far as I know) but then, some are stating that WINE has had problems with *all* the installers so far. So yeah, not being able to manually extract ("Because sometimes people only extract part of the file and then complain when install fails" apparently >_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>) means, for now, Linux users are SOL. |
That sucks. A lot of effort just to stop pirates getting malware.
No one would buy/believe the legitimate GOG installer containing malware, so it's not like a malwared installer on a torrent site or w/e would damage their reputation.
Edit: And why would they care if someone torrented a broken game? |
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 15:45 Post subject: |
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Yeah, the "someone might tamper with the archive, repackage it with viruses and malware, then upload" is a problem that simply doesn't exist -- and even if it DOES exist, what does it matter to GOG? That's why it's bugging me and why I think there's a deeper reason for this. And hell! The encryption has already been broken! On their very forum! People have already made bash scripts that decompress the new archives, so the "someone might tamper" "fear" is still very much a thing.
What next? Phone-home activation on install? Hey, the GAME ITSELF will still be DRM free! You can PLAY! You just have AUTHENTICATE the INSTALLER first! Not a DRM!
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2015 15:46 Post subject: |
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CDPR has done some nasty shit before and I'm pretty sure if they could easily do it without much negative publicity they would introduce some kind of tough DRM policy but, honestly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. At least for now. We had lots of games released that had "locked" data files and stuff like that ( they could be pirated just fine) and no one complained. Suddenly cdpr does it and it's the end of the world. Burn them! Buuuurn! 
On the other hand, seeing as it's possible to circumvent this password protection I don't quite get why they did it in the first place coz 1) it makes no sense 2) generates negative publicity as we see here and on other forums.IF you wanna lock your installers yet make your games still available for free distribution via torrents and shit then do it properly. What they did is just a a half-ass job that serves no purpose coz it won't stop data modifications (malware and stuff) and stains their image.
| Quote: | | there's a deeper reason for this. |
@sabin1981
Ah, conspiracy theories  But I think you MIGHT be right on this one because it actually doesn't make any sense as I mentioned above.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2015 01:26 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Steelone wrote: | One issue I do see with them not allowing extraction is that it fucks over Linux/non-windows users. If they can't use the installer then they are out of luck with actually installing the title.
Does WINE let you use installers? Been a very long time since I last used Linux. |
There's a lot of complaints on the forum about WINE not supporting the new installer (which is marked as 2.1.0 as far as I know) but then, some are stating that WINE has had problems with *all* the installers so far. So yeah, not being able to manually extract ("Because sometimes people only extract part of the file and then complain when install fails" apparently >_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>) means, for now, Linux users are SOL.
The whole "I can click install and it installs, not a DRM!" nonsense is irritatingly simplistic and rubbish. The simple fact is, their installers are now encrypted and passworded. That's a problem. It's a problem solution to an issue that doesn't exist and it's ridiculous. Yes, encryption and password lockouts are most definitely forms of DRM. |
As a Linux user this is complete bullshit, especially from a company supposedly supporting Linux as a platform. Now I'm not allowed to use the software i paid for in the way I choose, ffs are people so mentally challenged these days they can't be trusted to install an application? This site went downhill fast, also still shitty about the "Good Old Games" lack of focus on classic gaming and ramming Indy shit in my face constantly as well.
They could have just started "Good New Games" for the derpy hipster community, site is just a mess now.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2015 08:35 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | | Steelone wrote: | One issue I do see with them not allowing extraction is that it fucks over Linux/non-windows users. If they can't use the installer then they are out of luck with actually installing the title.
Does WINE let you use installers? Been a very long time since I last used Linux. |
There's a lot of complaints on the forum about WINE not supporting the new installer (which is marked as 2.1.0 as far as I know) but then, some are stating that WINE has had problems with *all* the installers so far. So yeah, not being able to manually extract ("Because sometimes people only extract part of the file and then complain when install fails" apparently >_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>_>) means, for now, Linux users are SOL.
The whole "I can click install and it installs, not a DRM!" nonsense is irritatingly simplistic and rubbish. The simple fact is, their installers are now encrypted and passworded. That's a problem. It's a problem solution to an issue that doesn't exist and it's ridiculous. Yes, encryption and password lockouts are most definitely forms of DRM. |
As a Linux user this is complete bullshit, especially from a company supposedly supporting Linux as a platform. Now I'm not allowed to use the software i paid for in the way I choose, ffs are people so mentally challenged these days they can't be trusted to install an application? This site went downhill fast, also still shitty about the "Good Old Games" lack of focus on classic gaming and ramming Indy shit in my face constantly as well.
They could have just started "Good New Games" for the derpy hipster community, site is just a mess now. |
AFAIK they're not called good old games anymore, just GoG (which sounds like gag and weird for a game sites).  |
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2015 09:50 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Yeah, the "someone might tamper with the archive, repackage it with viruses and malware, then upload" is a problem that simply doesn't exist -- and even if it DOES exist, what does it matter to GOG? That's why it's bugging me and why I think there's a deeper reason for this. And hell! The encryption has already been broken! On their very forum! People have already made bash scripts that decompress the new archives, so the "someone might tamper" "fear" is still very much a thing.
What next? Phone-home activation on install? Hey, the GAME ITSELF will still be DRM free! You can PLAY! You just have AUTHENTICATE the INSTALLER first! Not a DRM! |
It seems every time GOG does something stupid, they get huge negative PR and they reverse their decision.
Difference between them and cunts like UBI/EA is CDP actually reverse their decision instead of telling you to just politely put their cock in your mouth and deal with it.
I haven't really followed them much since they lost their focus on providing older games to providing everything they can get their hands on, but haven't they reversed all their stupid ideas thus far? |
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2015 10:10 Post subject: |
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It's fine and understandable if some people don't like GOG's decision. Just don't fucking call it DRM because DRM never refers to an installer that can't be extracted manually.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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