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 Posted: Sat, 24th Jan 2015 19:39 Post subject: This Accidental Experiment Shows The Superiority Of Patriarc |
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Patriarchy has been extremely successful, despite its recent vilification. Most cultures worldwide are patriarchal – to find examples of successful matriarchal societies you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts of the world or feminist fiction. However, this hasn’t stopped the feminist collective from queefing out books and even a hashtag hailing the end of patriarchy in a textbook example of incestuous amplification.
What patriarchy, after its apparent downfall, will be replaced with remains to be seen. Hamsterizations aside, there is surprisingly little data available about what life would be like in a society made up of only men or only women. An enterprising social scientist might want to perform an experiment where groups of men and groups of women are left to their own devices, having to work together to survive against the elements and build a civilization from scratch. However, this scientist would have a very hard time convincing ethical review boards that the inevitable suffering of his participants would weight up against the value of the data.
Luckily, reality television is not bound by ethical constraints and once in a while, in its never ending quest for viewer ratings, reality TV accidentally performs a very interesting experiment that social scientists would never be allowed to do.
Quite a few years ago, I had the pleasure of watching the Dutch version of Survivor (Expeditie Robinson) with my feminist roommate. That particular season would have two islands, one populated by men and one populated by women. My roommate had been promoting that particular series to me and the other students in the house for weeks because it would show us, according to her, what a society run by women – free from the evils of patriarchy – would be like.
And it did. Oh it did.
Here is what happened: initially both groups were dropped on their respective islands, given some supplies to get started and left to fend for themselves. In both groups there was some initial squabbling as people tried to figure out a local hierarchy. The men pretty much did whatever they felt was necessary – there was no leader giving orders. Men who felt like hunting, foraging or fishing did so. Another guy decided he was fed up with sitting on sand and started making benches. Others built a hut that gradually grew and evolved. Another guy cooked every night. Within days a neat little civilization was thriving, each day being slightly more prosperous than the previous one.
The women settled into a routine as well. The hung up a clothesline to dry their towels, then proceeded to sunbathe and squabble. Because unlike men, women were unable to do anything without consensus of the whole group. And because it was a group of at least a dozen women, consensus was never reached. During the next few episodes, the women ate all their initial supplies, got drenched by tropical storms several times, were eaten alive by sand fleas and were generally miserable. The men on the other hand, were quite content. There were disagreements of course, but they were generally resolved.
Eventually, the people running the program decided something had to change. In order to help the women out, three men would be selected to go to their island. In return, three women would take their place at the men’s island. The look on my feminist roommates face during this episode was priceless.
Initially, the three men selected for the women’s island were ecstatic, for obvious reason. But then they arrived at the island and were greeted by the women.
‘Where is your hut?’, they asked.
‘We have no hut’
‘Where are your supplies?’ they asked, dismayed
‘We ate all the rice’
And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks – building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe. The three women who were sent to the men’s island were delighted – food, shelter and plenty of male attention was freely available. They too continued to sunbathe.
And that my friends, is what patriarchy is. My former roommate, unsurprisingly, is no longer a feminist.
Now this might all be a fluke, a white raven, an exceptional case not representative of society as whole. But that particular season of Dutch Survivor is not unique. CBS broadcast several Survivor seasons in the US, where men and women started off in separate groups. In most cases (the Amazon and One World), the result was the same. The men quickly got their act together, getting access to food, fire and shelter while the women spent a lot of time and energy on petty little squabbles, eating their meager supplies, getting drenched in storms and generally being pathetic. The opposite situation, where men didn’t get their act together while women quickly built a functional micro society, has not yet been observed outside of feminist fiction, and it probably never will.
sauce: http://www.returnofkings.com/32053/this-accidental-experiment-shows-the-superiority-of-patriarchy#prettyPhoto
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Jan 2015 19:43 Post subject: |
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Maybe they just sent three dumb bitches instead of responsible women.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Jan 2015 19:51 Post subject: |
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what are the chances of them all being dumb?
and they said the problem was not knowledge, but not being able to do anything without full agreement within the group
guess they didn't elect a leader of the pack, and none of them wanted to do things on their own
but at the same time the women put on the men's island just looked pretty again, as I understood
if the information in the article is truth that is
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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Ok this is a joke topic right? You're making a joke? Please tell me you're joking....
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| xxax wrote: | | Ok this is a joke topic right? You're making a joke? Please tell me you're joking.... |
Oh go find your balls, it seems like you lost them.  |
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| garus wrote: | On topic: I'd love to see scientific version of this experiment, because all of it sounds hilariously accurate  |
That.
Instead of having these male and female bimbos that apply to this reality tv crap it would be interesting to have your average male/female.
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| garus wrote: | | But seriously: does any of you know a woman who would (could) build a table? |
More seriously, how many men do you know that can put proper food on that table? Why does everything need to be about symmetry? |
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Jan 2015 21:13 Post subject: |
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Thats no surprise.
Men usually have more technical skills than women.
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| garus wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | garus wrote: | | But seriously: does any of you know a woman who would (could) build a table? |
More seriously, how many men do you know that can put proper food on that table? Why does everything need to be about symmetry? |
You can survive on coconuts and worms, you won't survive by sunbathing
But you are right, we must coexist. Just women or just men on an island won't reproduce and ultimately die. |
Tbh, that's a pretty silly world view, if you only see the need of women for reproduction or sunbathing. |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | garus wrote: | | But seriously: does any of you know a woman who would (could) build a table? |
how many men do you know that can put proper food on that table? |
Its not 1960 anymore, the average male (at least here in Norway) are pretty good cooks.
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I think if you made women fend for themselves they'd do better than if you put them in a group of other women. It's not that they're useless, it's that they put too much weight on others around them.
Plenty of social studies have shown women to be too competitive to work well together compared to men in a group. With men, there will naturally rise a leader to the top (although that doesn't mean there can't be grudges). With women, you end up with constant squabbles and eventually little getting done.
Oddly enough, men don't mind as much having a female boss compared to women - again, studies show that women prefer a male boss over a female one:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-16/women-dislike-having-female-bosses-more-than-men-do
http://www.businessinsider.com/women-and-republicans-prefer-male-bosses-2013-11?IR=T
I dunno how much of it is culture and how much of it is actually the gender but currently in Western society this seems pretty true.
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Dont you think that previous roles in real life, and lifestyles before the experiment influenced it? It wasn't a totally "tabula rasa" situation.
Id say at least 80% of the outcome was already set by the way they saw themselves before the test, and how they saw others expecting of them based on that. All it showed really was they stuck to what they already knew in modern life, and projected it onto the experiment.
Only way to truly test it would never be able to be done. Children raised in a blank environment with no outside influence once at age to fend for themselves as teens perhaps, dropped off to try it.
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| Nalo wrote: | | garus wrote: | On topic: I'd love to see scientific version of this experiment, because all of it sounds hilariously accurate
But seriously: does any of you know a woman who would (could) build a table? |
Can you build a table? (One made of wood not code). |
Ohhhh sick burn
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i can build a table with ease
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Well I did construction for 15 years before getting a computer job. That probably helped.
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I doubt they had proper tools or nails, so building anything doesn't seem so easy.
Still, we know nothing about the people in the """experiment""" (which is, as far as I know, as real as any tv show......). If I had to guess, the girls were selected by their looks and probably are aspiring models/actresses. Get some women from any army, or who live (and work) in any farm, or from any native tribe, etc,etc, and see if they won't do much better than most guys...
And we haven't even seen the show, just the commentary from guy who calls himself "Dr Caveman" in a website that is vocally against women ("Women and homosexuals are discouraged from commenting here.")...
There's this show about surviving naked in a jungle or something, were they pair two strangers, and often is the man who gives up earlier...
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