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 Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005 17:18 Post subject: |
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Sorry for the off topic Matrix movie trilogy discussion, but that was cool!
Can someone that owns the PC version please post a mini review? It would be nice to get some PC insight to this promising game.
Thanks,
MD
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005 17:34 Post subject: |
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| MistressDeath wrote: |
No, that is totally cool! I just didn't like the ending. I am glad that it spawned all this extra imaginative story lines. I love the Animatrix and own it on DVD. I was just SO INTO the trilogy that I felt like one of the humans that was fighting with the resistance for the freedom of man kind. If I were one of the humans in the resistance and I knew the war ended in a peace treaty......I would be pissed!!! Well, because the machines can change their Mind Hive in an instant. Sacrificing all the billions of humans plugged into the Matrix would have been a small price to pay for the Independence of the Human Race. You cannot make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. Even though I don't agree with that statement all the time. Machines cannot be trusted especially when they kill with no remorse and have no compassion or feelings. That is a dangerous treaty partner. It's just that one reality is worse than the other. You know......The Matrix 4 is sounding more and more like a possible reality! LOL! If only I had millions and was well connected in Hollywood..........dreaming...........
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Lol Sacrificing the billions plugged into the matrix, you really are an evil woman. The Machines would never sacrifice their sustenance simply to topple their enemy despite the bluff by the Architect that they are "willing to accept certain levels of existence". If you follow the ongoing story of MxO....which for anyone that does'nt know is written and checked by the Wachowski brothers you'ed see that the treaty is actually BS and the war is still very much ongoing, the treaty is just a veil pulled over it.
Im positive the Wachowski brothers will continue the story for years to come but lets look at some of the other big trilogys. Star Wars, have the rebellion actually crushed the Empire completely? Aliens, are the Xenomorphs extinct?.....sometimes a story can't be summed up in 3 movies or it can never be completed....thats just life
Theres a few user reviews here http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/thematrixthepathofneo/review.html for anyone thats interested
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005 21:26 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The Matrix: Path of Neo ships - Atari and Warner Bros today announced that The Matrix: Path of Neo is now available in stores nationwide for the PC, PS2 and Xbox. |
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051108/nytu012a.html
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 03:30 Post subject: |
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That's the thing I liked about the ending of the Matrix trilogy. No side really won. Every movie out there has one side winning. The Matrix trilogy had the balls to do what it did.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 03:53 Post subject: |
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Are you kidding?
Go watch “ran” right now! Stupid American child!
Matrix wasn't unique. It was nothing! Matrix one was quality film making for an action movie! Two and three were shits! More money went into the budget but less work came out than the first.
Reloaded... i can live with reloaded.
But revolutions? Come on!
That movie shouldn't even exist! Fuck. Neo should've died in the 2nd and human race should've fought the machines in the third and won. Neo shouldn't belong in the third one.
First one neo used his powers to slow down time. To make awesome gestures. TO KICK FUCKING ASS! In two it was way over done. God. It was pointless. And when neo did slow down time it wasn't spectacular at all.  shit movie. Shit story.
Only good thing about the third movie was this...
The story ended and they won't make another matrix 
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 04:34 Post subject: |
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I always wonder if the Wachowskis actually wrote the first matrix, because it's so superior to the rest it's insane.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 04:40 Post subject: |
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I think they did, but that they didn´t have as much control over the following ones...and they were probably rushed as hell. Compared to the 1st one.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 04:43 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | I always wonder if the Wachowskis actually wrote the first matrix, because it's so superior to the rest it's insane. |
Well, that is actually a theory being bandied around with some substance - apparently. I don't recall the details though but a woman supposedly wrote it.. or something.. sure a search would provide you with information. |
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 05:21 Post subject: |
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The script was called the third eye.
But the story has been done and redone many times.
It's still shit.
The main reason why matrix 2 and 3 are shite is that... they are nothing like matrix one.
The first matrix had... style. It was dark, gritty... stylistic.
two and three... seemed rushed... highly funded... big budget but very little effort.
heck even the acting went down a notch in the 2nd and third film 
now any prick who'll say 2 and 3 are one are dead wrong. 3rd was reshot and re-written very very fast
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 05:31 Post subject: |
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| MistressDeath wrote: |
Well.....I hated the Revolutions ending. The Matrix was awesome and Reloaded was a great building block for the finally. A computer can change it's mind faster than you or I can say 10101. I just didn't like the agreement angle. KILL THE MACHINES!! Please stick to the plot and KILL THE MACHINES!! That was the focus the whole trilogy. It's like waiting for System Shock III to come out and they say it's coming out and then 3 months before it comes out............they cancel it! Uhhgggg! It would have been cool to see the Architect die and to see Zion's people walk out from the depths of Earth looking up at the scorched sky, not being afraid for the first time in their lives. Human kind could start over from scratch. Instead, they are going to keep using humans for power. DAMN!!! I didn't see Neo and the Hive Mind Shake ON IT!!!! MATRIX 4 Raw Deal! Neo gets cybernetic eye implants and decides to take down the Mind Hive after he sees machines killing people. Now that would be good! Get rid of the trilogy thought and make a fourth installment. I remember being destroyed at the end of Revolutions, cheated. So hopefully I can get what I need out of the Path of Neo.
Thanks for the info,
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The point of the trilogy was NEVER about killing the machines. It was about freeing mankind and re-establishing their civilization. But that was on the surface level. The actual theme that runs throughout the movie is about enlightenment in the Hindu and Buddhist sense. Which is to recognize that "there is no spoon", which means that everything around you is just YOU, or rather the Self (the Oracle constantly tells Neo to Know Thy Self, which is the atman of the Hindu sense). Revolutions ties it up by showing that Neo accepts he is one with Smith, and lets himself merge into him. Both halves become whole again, and light shines through both Neo and Smith's pores representing the accomplishment that Neo has just made. He became fully enlightened in the real world, not just the digital world in which the original movie depicted his enlightenment.
The true relationship between Neo and Smith is the relationship of the Ego and Atman. The Upanishads, the Bhagavad-Gita, and the Ramayana were the core books used by the Wachowskis in establishing this trilogy, which is inherently a PHILOSOPHICAL trilogy, not an action trilogy. These books all are Hindu scripture specializing in the nature of the ego and Atman and the clash between the two. The Matrix trilogy is ultimately about finding reality, and Revolutions is EXTREMELY consistent with its prequels in its themes, and fully realizes them with the ending. Revolution's point at the end was Zion was "illusion" as well, that Neo finally achieved enlightenment by escaping Zion and the Matrix. Morpheus's questioning at the end, "Is this real?" or something similar is supposed to clue you in to the unreality of it all. So what is Real, according to the Matrix trilogy? A unitary existence, where consciousness is fully merged with God, the Hindu Brahman, Jehovah, Yahweh, or whatever you would like to call it. It is a place devoid of duality, that is the Real according to the trilogy.
In any case, the Ego is the destructive aspect of man, while the Atman is the divine, serene and peaceful aspect of man. Guess who's who? Neo's the Atman and Smith is the Ego. This is established right after the original movie, though it has its roots in the original. Where Neo goes into Smith and "destroys" him in the end of the original is where Neo's "ego" is copied into Smith. Neo sheds his ego and fully realizes his Atman or Self at least his digital Self. There is a digital analogue to this in that the Architect and the Oracle had conspired to try to "change" the Matrix which represents heaven a place beyond time, static, and something humans could never truly accept BECAUSE it never changes.
Look closely and you'll see the entire trilogy is about the nature of duality being illusion, that everything is cyclical (reincarnation is a part of the cycle and Neo has gone through several incarnations, his sixth iteration being the avatar in the original Matrix and Reloaded where he's Parashurama the sixth avatar of Vishnu the Preserver God in Hinduism, and then transitioning to the 7th avatar of Vishnu, Rama or Jesus Christ if you want, who he actually meets at the train station which is a parallel to the Ramayana. Another conclusion at the end of Revolutions is that enlightenment or freedom for mankind won't come from Neo, it is dependent upon the individual to free himself and to realize his divinity and his unity with the universe. That is when the individual truly becomes free and can achieve what Neo achieved. By the way, Neo's body at the end when it is carried away by the machines forms a Lotus, which is one of the flowers that Vishnu holds in one of his many hands. The Lotus in Hinduism represents the return of Truth, Satya, or in other words, the return of the Golden Age Satya Yuga which is symbolized by Sati raising the sun at the end by her own will.
There's much more to the trilogy than what I've stated here, but this is pretty much the core of what it all means. The Wachowski brothers didn't intend for machines to be killed off as that is completely against the message of the movies. The message was that both man and machines were dominated by their egoes and firmly established their duality with each other, and thus were engaged in a recurring battle with each other, until they finally respect one another and see each other as divine in nature.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 05:44 Post subject: |
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| Injurious wrote: | The script was called the third eye.
But the story has been done and redone many times.
It's still shit.
The main reason why matrix 2 and 3 are shite is that... they are nothing like matrix one.
The first matrix had... style. It was dark, gritty... stylistic.
two and three... seemed rushed... highly funded... big budget but very little effort.
heck even the acting went down a notch in the 2nd and third film
now any prick who'll say 2 and 3 are one are dead wrong. 3rd was reshot and re-written very very fast |
Yeah, the script was called the Third Eye, which further reinforces what I was trying to say. The third eye is the ajnea chakra, the energy center in the middle of the eyebrows which is activated when you become enlightened. That is the purpose of yoga and meditation in general.
While the Wachowski bros MIGHT have ripped off her script, they fully understood her script and just ran with it, fleshing out the philosophy into the second and third movies. The problem was that the second and third movies became more philosophical in nature and less action-oriented (revolutions was full of action but it really was a counterpoint philosophically to the second movie as the second and third movies were more a dialogue between Buddhism and Hinduism respectively). There was a ton of effort put into the trilgoy, a ton of thought put in, if only you guys understood what the trilogy was really about and were familiar with the references made verbally, visually and cinematically in the trilogy which all came together to emphasize the points I talked about in my prior post.
It's hard to explain why the first movie was so interesting while the second and third movies were comparatively dramatically inert, but I believe it lies with the fact that the trilogy became more philosophical and much less broader in appeal. It became more restrictive in its audience in terms of who would understand what they were trying to do, because you really did have to know a lot about Eastern philosophy particularly Buddhism and Hinduism to understand this. That and the main characters somewhat faded into the background and the movies became more formless in terms of who to root for. Instead of simply rooting for Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity, it turns into rooting for mankind a faceless collection of people rather than the 3 prominent ones you were initially introduced to.
And you're incorrect about these movies being done before. Dark City has similarities to the ORIGINAL, but not the sequels which were far more philosophically fleshed out. Dark City, and the original Matrix were old hat because they've been done before, it's the sequels of the Matrix that really help distinguish the original Matrix from everything else, because of where it all leads to and its depth and breadth of philosophizing.
Dark City's concept was pretty much right out of Plato's Allegory of the Cave, and many assumed that this was true of the original Matrix too, but it is not. The original Matrix has a strong Hindu/Buddhist basis, and is still about the nature of enlightenment. A lot of Revolutions's ending is hinted at in the original, though it needed philosophical backing to support these conclusions which the sequels provided, IMHO.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 06:02 Post subject: |
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However well formulated and well founded a discussion your having, doesn't divert me from the fact that your STILL OFF TOPIC
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 06:06 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | However well formulated and well founded a discussion your having, doesn't divert me from the fact that your STILL OFF TOPIC |
Sorry, I was just trying to point out some key ideas in the trilogy since some other posters started talking about how bad the ending to the trilogy was and how it didn't fit with the overall trilogy, when it actually does.
In any case, I'm done now, unless others are interested in knowing more about the trilogy.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 06:17 Post subject: |
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Its 2 early for the release of this game.... Need wait i think one more day !!!
A question for people that the game has been bought: Does this game have multilenguaje??
Thanks !!!!!
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 06:39 Post subject: |
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Game is good,
some of the best lighting ive ever seen on ps2. suffers from fps problems occasionally but the combat is fun. the weapons are awesome and the scene fighting all the smiths, there are literally 200 on screen at once.
completed it in 6 hours, not that long but still a blast.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 07:45 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 08:27 Post subject: |
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The.Matrix.Path.Of.Neo.CloneDVD-MiRROR
Real?
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 08:40 Post subject: |
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| hawk2004 wrote: | The.Matrix.Path.Of.Neo.CloneDVD-MiRROR
Real? |
yep real, downloading it now
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 09:43 Post subject: |
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Don't have high hopes for this one but I'll check it out anyways. Will return with screens shortly...
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 09:47 Post subject: |
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This might seem like a dumb question, but i can't seem to find any minimum/recommended system requirements. does anyone know what they might be?
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2005 11:28 Post subject: |
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Nice insane system specs.. 2,8GHz for AMD so they mean FX-55 or what ??
Recommended System Requirements
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Operating System Windows® 2000 / XP
Processor Pentium® 4 2.8 GHz or AMD Athlon™ 2.8 GHz or higher
Memory 1 GB RAM
Hard Disk Space 6 GB free
DVD-ROM Drive 6X speed or faster
Video NVIDIA® GeForce™ 6800 or ATI Radeon® X800 or greater*
Sound DirectX® version 9.0c-compatible sound card
DirectX® DirectX® version 9.0c (included) or higher
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I agree with the other trilogies too. I actually finished the 19 book saga of The New Jedi Order with the Yuuzhan Vong. Absolutely Unbelievable Star Wars reading!! Some of these story lines will never end as they start to spawn new generations. If they are going to keep the Matrix story going which you just proved. They really should entertain the idea of a Matrix 4. It's A CASH COW and would be sweet! Not only a new Matrix movie but then we get a new Matrix game! If the Matrix story line would have ended with Revolutions then I would have liked to see Neo take on a Messiah persona and kill the Mind Hive rendering the Machines just empty shells. How cool would it be to see a massive group of Sentinels all at once crash to the Earth!! Paul Atriedies achieved this level of supremacy in Dune by becoming Paul Mau'Dib. But the Matrix skipped Dune and went right to Dune Messiah. In Dune Messiah Paul Mau'Dib loses his eye's. The only difference is that in the Dune universe a leader without eyes must sacrifice himself because they cannot lead the people when they are blind. Obviously I enormously enjoyed Dune the book and movie! 
BTW this is taking so damn long for a release.. can't wait!
