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noflip
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sooo.. if some muslim nutjob goes and kills an innocent person because of this game this would be worth it?
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 17:50 Post subject: |
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| lametta wrote: | You invade their countries make them feel threatened in their own homes take away their countriess ressources AND makefun of their belief systems
AND then you wonder when people die. |
Don't tell me you are putting making fun of belief in the same category.
Seriously, some people are daft when it comes to the protectionism of religious beliefs.
They can do, say, threaten, pressure people,... as much as theywant (religion in general, not picking a specific one out), but don't you dare make fun of their delusional/outdated/cherry picked views because any punishment is justified! 
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 17:50 Post subject: |
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| lametta wrote: | You invade their countries make them feel threatened in their own homes take away their countriess ressources AND makefun of their belief systems
AND then you wonder when people die. |
Please.. we don't invade their countries.. Muslims have more or less invaded my country, at least areas of it. Let me tell you that the Swedish people in these so called multi cultural areas are not feeling safe in their own homes any longer.. Old people are getting robbed and beaten on a daily basis. No one raises an eyebrow any longer when we read that another 90 year old was beaten up and robbed.. Our media try to tone it down and usually don't report about it at all (local newspapers might do, but often very unwillingly so because it could be seen as them being "racists" to report crimes commited by non-whites.)
If you're lucky enough to have the money you move away from these areas and take the kids to a school where they will be safe and will be able to learn something (multi cultural school classes are a complete mess, with a lot of racism and hatered coming from muslims + the classes themselves are very noisy with little or no respect for the teachers).
One of my friends in this city is a teacher, he deals with these problems every single day. Girls are getting harassed and being called "whores" because they are white and don't dress like they should according to Islam.
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 18:00 Post subject: |
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| noflip wrote: | | sooo.. if some muslim nutjob goes and kills an innocent person because of this game this would be worth it? |
Freedom of speech will always be worth it.
It's also odd to limit the question to "if it's worth it" if a muslim kills someone. What if a feminist kills someone, a communist, a nazi, or just a complete psychopath, all because someone said or did something they didn't like.. Are you saying we should stop and say "hey.. maybe this nazi fella had a point.. you should probably not say things that might upset them, it might really hurt their feelings!".
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 18:08 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | lametta wrote: | You invade their countries make them feel threatened in their own homes take away their countriess ressources AND makefun of their belief systems
AND then you wonder when people die. |
Please.. we don't invade their countries.. Muslims have more or less invaded my country, at least areas of it. Let me tell you that the Swedish people in these so called multi cultural areas are not feeling safe in their own homes any longer.. Old people are getting robbed and beaten on a daily basis. No one raises an eyebrow any longer when we read that another 90 year old was beaten up and robbed.. Our media try to tone it down and usually don't report about it at all (local newspapers might do, but often very unwillingly so because it could be seen as them being "racists" to report crimes commited by non-whites.)
If you're lucky enough to have the money you move away from these areas and take the kids to a school where they will be safe and will be able to learn something (multi cultural school classes are a complete mess, with a lot of racism and hatered coming from muslims + the classes themselves are very noisy with little or no respect for the teachers).
One of my friends in this city is a teacher, he deals with these problems every single day. Girls are getting harassed and being called "whores" because they are white and don't dress like they should according to Islam. |
There's the bigotry I was talking about.  |
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 18:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 18:32 Post subject: |
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Ohh, I've a got a ton of arguments and personal experiences. As I've already mentioned them time over time I see no use to just do it again. You are however just regurgitating the same old shit that's been around since the 90's, just change it from svartskalle to muslim and it's the same thing.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 18:40 Post subject: |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 18:43 Post subject: |
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Thread is already on crash and burn mode, what the hell? 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 18:52 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | Thread is already on crash and burn mode, what the hell? |
For the subject it took longer than the olden days xD |
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 19:05 Post subject: |
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| Imoen wrote: | Of course you do. You can spend a minute writing that you do, but not a minute arguing any of his points.   
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Arguing about what?
His 'facts' are total over-exaggerated horseshit.
The elderly don't get assaulted on a daily basis and people not feeling safe around 'the foreigners' are very likely to have issues with just about anyone who's different than they are.
I worked as a teachers assistant at a junior-high-school (13-15 years) for almost a year that had kids from all over and the 'hate' and harassment he's talking about just wasn't there.
He has no arguments, he's got half-truths and prejudices.
I can tell you a story though.
I was born in Lund in the early 80's, we moved into the third largest city in Sweden which is Malmö. We lived in central Malmö (sofielund) where when I was at school, junkies (mostly young adults and Swedish) used to sit in stairway in our apartment-buildings and shoot-up heroine. During junior-high some of my classmates decided to break into the school to steal computers, out of the five kids that did it three were Swedish, one was Polish and the third a half-Spaniard. Those kids who perpetrated the burglary were always getting into shit.
My point with the story is that you cretins try to put all blame on immigrants and muslims and just say that they are the root of the problem, instead of actually trying to see the underlying problem.
High crime-rates in big cities have little to do with the cultural background of the people as I've seen myself when living in Poland. It has however a LOT to do with the economic state of these people and overall the country and city.
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noflip
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 19:11 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: |
Freedom of speech will always be worth it.
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yeah... so if I go around and publicly talk about sex with children all the time that's freedom of speech. right?
plus it is one thing to talk about a psychopath going on a killing spree because he/she saw a picture of a cute puppy on the internet. it is something completely different to create a game, where the so called prophet of a religion is fucking a pig with the sole purpose of pissing religious fanatics off. yes, this is correct. there is no reason whatsoever behind the existence of this game besides pissing muslim people off. and if anyone innocent dies because of this, muslim or not, those fuckers will be as guilty as the crazy fucker who actually commits the crime
freedom of speech... go ahead and create a game, where Jesus is fucking a child, then lets talk about freedom of speech.
in case you are wondering - I am atheist.
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noflip
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 19:18 Post subject: |
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if you know for certain that a person is insane, would you give him a knife to see what happens? and if he kills someone who is to blame?
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 19:39 Post subject: |
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What are you getting at? Whats your point?
Freedom of speech has a limit? Yeah sure, of course it does, but religion is a joke so anything can be said because the only people going mad over it are insane, pedophilia and rape and whatnot is a fact.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 19:45 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: | Well if there are Racist comments... report them?
It's what I do.
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I reported two racist posts in this thread yesterday and they're still here, shows how seriously they take such things...
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 19:55 Post subject: |
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Freedom of speech does have a limit and this game is disgusting and has no purpose other then getting attention, BUT that's why we have laws, if someone is offended by this he should report this to the police and not going and kill someone. right?
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 20:11 Post subject: |
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No. Freedom of speech doesn't have a limit. Or at least it shouldn't have one.
And reporting to the police for getting offended?
Fuck. That. Shit.
If you're the kind of person that gets offended by specific music/art/movies/games, SIMPLY IGNORE it. That's what a normal person does. You don't have to take it personally for fucks sake.
So no, if someone is offended by this he should NOT be able to report it to the police or go and kill someone. Just shrug and move the fuck on.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 20:12 Post subject: |
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| noflip wrote: |
freedom of speech... go ahead and create a game, where Jesus is fucking a child, then lets talk about freedom of speech.
in case you are wondering - I am atheist. |
If someone created a game with ANYONE fucking a child, they should be flayed slowly with a blunt knife.
If a game was made with Jesus fucking a black African ... I'm fairly sure that holy war would not follow.
Anyone using religion as an excuse to kill people needs to fuck off and gain penis cancer.
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 20:32 Post subject: |
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| Prefetian wrote: |
Arguing about what?
His 'facts' are total over-exaggerated horseshit. |
Unfortunately no. Racism from muslims is very real, one of our biggest news programs in Sweden brought this up some weeks ago, a bit to my surprise since they often like to censor this specific type of hatered.
Immigrants have it far better economically than many swedish people that are for example unemployed, or compared to our senior citizens. This because immgrants have benefits that only they can get;
Etableringsersättning, etableringstillägg, sfi bonus (get money to learn swedish), retroaktiv föräldrarpenning (if they have children they will get money retroactively for them, this can mean a LOT of money since many immgrants have a lot of kids). Also just breeding more kids will give you very good benefits, the more kids you have the higher these benefits will become (for each kid its raised).
Crime rates has nothing to do with their economical situation, which again, is not bad at all. How is it even possible to claim that these "poor people" that supposedly have escaped war, terror and famine, and at the same time say "well y'know, they have a real tough time here in sweden, obviously they will have to rob and beat people up just just to get by.. you just have to accept this and understand them.." I've seen this stupid argument so many times, it's just beyond retarded! If this country is so shitty and they're so "poor" here then there's very little credibility that they've really escaped from war and famine in their home country.
I know lots of immigrants in this city and they have the latest iphone just like anyone else, they drive cars like everyone else, they're pretty far from suffering..
We have cities in sweden with many unempolyed swedes and with little to no immigrants, if what you say would be true those cities would have very high crime rates.. They don't. Where there is multi culturalism there's crime.
It's interesteing how you shifted from "it's bigotry!" to "over-exaggerated horseshit!" How predictable that you couldnt find that "bigotry" in my arguments, after all, what's it gonna be next time?
Also, no one is blaming immigrants, no matter how much you'd like that to be true - yes we understand you like to take the easy route, to shout "racist!!!!!!" at every given situation.. That's about as clever as you get in these discussions. It's very clearly the politicians (and the people who vote for them) who are to blame here.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 21:03 Post subject: |
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| vaifan1986 wrote: | No. Freedom of speech doesn't have a limit. Or at least it shouldn't have one.
And reporting to the police for getting offended?
Fuck. That. Shit.
If you're the kind of person that gets offended by specific music/art/movies/games, SIMPLY IGNORE it. That's what a normal person does. You don't have to take it personally for fucks sake.
So no, if someone is offended by this he should NOT be able to report it to the police or go and kill someone. Just shrug and move the fuck on. |
I also ignore or get mad and drink a cold one and move alone, but there are some things that should be reported, like death threats or child abuse. not everything is under the freedom of speech...
ofc this game can't be compared to things i wrote above but like i said if someone is offended he can do something about it under the rules of the law, and not go out and kill someone cuz he got pissed.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 21:11 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | lametta wrote: | You invade their countries make them feel threatened in their own homes take away their countriess ressources AND makefun of their belief systems
AND then you wonder when people die. |
Please.. we don't invade their countries.. Muslims have more or less invaded my country, at least areas of it. Let me tell you that the Swedish people in these so called multi cultural areas are not feeling safe in their own homes any longer.. Old people are getting robbed and beaten on a daily basis. No one raises an eyebrow any longer when we read that another 90 year old was beaten up and robbed.. Our media try to tone it down and usually don't report about it at all (local newspapers might do, but often very unwillingly so because it could be seen as them being "racists" to report crimes commited by non-whites.)
If you're lucky enough to have the money you move away from these areas and take the kids to a school where they will be safe and will be able to learn something (multi cultural school classes are a complete mess, with a lot of racism and hatered coming from muslims + the classes themselves are very noisy with little or no respect for the teachers).
One of my friends in this city is a teacher, he deals with these problems every single day. Girls are getting harassed and being called "whores" because they are white and don't dress like they should according to Islam. |
You have your socialist/communist government to thank for that.
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Slizza
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 21:11 Post subject: |
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Oh man, that was some funny shit.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 21:26 Post subject: |
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| Nosmirchjgkjhghjg wrote: | | Morphineus wrote: | Well if there are Racist comments... report them?
It's what I do.
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I reported two racist posts in this thread yesterday and they're still here, shows how seriously they take such things... |
Maybe they see it different than you... omg that can happen as well.
Not every judgement you or they take will be right. That is still no reason to just spout something like: they don't take things seriously around here.
I've seen them step in and also where they don't step in. Not everything will go your or my way... still the thing you should always do is report.
Btw, which ones did you report? |
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 21:37 Post subject: |
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SFI bonus (get money to learn swedish) <- this one is actually limited in time.
Most foreigners (in my school) didn't know about it and most wouldn't be eligible because they took longer to complete it. The ones abusing the system (they openly admit it, was about 1/3 in my classes) get social money for attending and just stay as long as possible in SFI which means they don't get that bonus money either.
Don't know what the specific timing is tho, I ran all the SFI levels in 3 months.
About the other benefits, wouldn't know... the 2 years and 3 months I've been living here I've done so with my savings and my fiancee's income (she's Swedish).
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 21:46 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: |
Btw, which ones did you report? |
The racist ones.
The racist comments are quite clear, I'm not going to validate the poster by quoting him or repeating his comments, if the mods think it's acceptable that's their prerogative.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2015 21:55 Post subject: |
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Fair enough, was just asking since I only saw two blatant ones.
Which got him a ban, sometimes it takes a bit longer. 
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