Europa Universalis IV
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mtj




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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 17:30    Post subject:
I've gotten into EU and CK quite easily, but cannot into HOI :I


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bronson




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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 17:34    Post subject:
Same can be said about Victoria II. Paradox's games before CK2 were more rough around the edges and that didn't encourage people to give them a chance. After all you have to put 5-6 hours to learn the mechanics.
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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Oct 2014 17:44    Post subject:
Depends on what you get used on really. I started with the HOI games and had a tough time with CKII and EU. It plays quite different.

Once you put yourself to it and go through the learning curve you'll be ok. Played a lot of CKII the second time I tried, was more dedicated to learning the mechanics.

It's made a bit more accessible with the newer games, but you'll still have to go through the mechanics as much as before.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 15:14    Post subject:
Reg67 wrote:
One has to wonder if there will ever be a 'gold' edition or, (as I suspect) they will just go on and on releasing DLC's. Don't get me wrong the game is fantastic, but there is a limit.


Limit on new content? On a game you enjoy? Why? Paradox games have given me without a doubt the most value for my money. I for one hope they continue to support and evolve their games for years to come.
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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Dec 2014 17:15    Post subject:
Entire Art of War collection - music, unit pack, expansion itself for circa 6$. The lowest I've seen so far. Supposed to be >20$ DLC.

(Looks like price bug imho, fluff like music & unit pack costs >50% of that, while AoW alone is being sold for 20-ish $ in the same store . Rolling Eyes )
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Overlord123




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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Dec 2014 18:45    Post subject:
New patch 1.9 out.

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Eldorado expansion is out, along with another major patch.

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briangw




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Feb 2015 15:38    Post subject:
I guess I'm just going to have to sit down and try again to learn this game. I went through the tutorials, started out as Portugal and still had not clue what to do Sad
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snoz




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Feb 2015 16:38    Post subject:
Wheres codex Sad dont fancy using dody p2p releases


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Reg67




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Feb 2015 17:15    Post subject:
snoz wrote:
Wheres codex Sad dont fancy using dody p2p releases


Backup the files in your game dir, grab the DLC you want and use the 3DM crack, run the game once then restore your original DLL's/exe. You will then have all the DLC with the original game. That is assuming you have the original of course.
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Feb 2015 18:19    Post subject:
briangw wrote:
I guess I'm just going to have to sit down and try again to learn this game. I went through the tutorials, started out as Portugal and still had not clue what to do Sad


Best advice is watch vids and more vids and more vids and then try again

I had problems with it because I used to play a lot of Hearts of Iron then I switched to Crusader Kings II (which was a pain coming from HoI) and I got smacked in the face again with UE having to unlearn everything and do it differently

I do think it's the easier one of those three, but it takes hours of watching vids/guides before you can play decent and months before you start to be good at it (as in: have a deeper understanding in all the mechanics).


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Overlord123




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Feb 2015 18:29    Post subject:
briangw wrote:
I guess I'm just going to have to sit down and try again to learn this game. I went through the tutorials, started out as Portugal and still had not clue what to do Sad

The first thing you should do as Portugal is to declare war on Castille.
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snoz




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Feb 2015 18:57    Post subject:
@Reg67 thanks, prolly gonna wait few days for scene release still but if nothing i will do the p2p route i guess

@Morphineus I agree EU4 is the easiest of paradox games, im pretty ok now at eu4 but i tried geting into ck2 recently and my brain kept exploding Smile

I heard heart of iron is even worse but im gonna give that a good go when the new one comes out soon


@briangw IF your looking for good tutorial series i recommend arumba's bare in mind its over a year old some of the newer systems added or changed in dlc's are not covered.

And then when your looking for go more in depth goto his channel page and search for guide https://www.youtube.com/user/arumba07/search?query=guide theres mini videos for all the games systems. I think watching a few videos and getting stuck in is the best bet though, once you understand the basic;s learning the rest of the game is not so hard. I have to admit though I still dont fully understand some mechanics Smile


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Muki




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Feb 2015 19:13    Post subject:
CK2 is really all about learning all the buttons and understanding how feudalism works. You don't have to be on your toes too much because you aren't building and micromanaging units, combat is also straightforward (get a bigger army than the enemy and attack them on flat land).

EU4 is more like a classic strategy game, I feel it has more in common with Civ and Total War (? haven't played them much really) than with the older Paradox games. So less history and more gamey buttons, it's a conquest simulator with a cleaned up interface.

Victoria 1-2 are quite complex, if you really want to understand which ideology means what and how POPs act you will need to do some research outside the game. The era (1836-1920s) means this is one of the most exciting and detailed historical simulation games out there, but the economy and AI also need lots of work from the devs and the modders to work well, last time I checked Vicky 2 wasn't really polished.

HoI 2 and it's derivatives are some of the best old Paradox games out there, you need to micro your army and your economy/diplomacy and it's perfectly doable. The compromise is that some absurd anomalies exist in the game (for example if you wanted to rule the oceans you only had to build a zerg fleet of destroyers), and also the air game was of questionable worth.

HoI 3 is stilll remembered as possibly the biggest failure of all Paradox games and the devs have learned a lot since, so if you find HoI 3 boring or too difficult don't let that hold you back from HoI 4. HoI 4 has been in development longer than any Paradox game before and modders have an easier time with HoI in general than with other titles - there's a good chance it's going to be great.
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briangw




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Feb 2015 19:17    Post subject:
Thanks all. did watch a let's play on this awhile back and the guy mentioned Portugal as a suggested starting country. But I got home (yep, watched it at work), sat in front of my PC, started as Portugal and was like....'what do I do now? '

So, with these addons out, I want to get back into it and I REALLY want to play HoI 4 since I love WW2 games. And I'm hoping that one is a little easier than the previous ones.
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Feb 2015 19:43    Post subject:
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some of the newer systems added or changed in dlc's are not covered.


That, off course, is an understatement. Since the release, game went through trade overhaul, introduced trade companies, changed westernisation couple of times, revised unit tech trees for all non western nations, added random 'new world', completely remapped Chinese and Indian provinces. And in the latest patch, added completely new exploration system, and completely new religion systems for american tribes. That along with minor improvements, like adding rivers to the map, and fixing natives accumulating vast sums of money.

Videos are still a very good way to learn the game, but having eu4wiki.com open while playing is almost a must. It's regularly updated with up to date info, and offers a bunch of country specific tutorials for most of the countries.
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snoz




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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Feb 2015 07:13    Post subject:
@@briangw castile is prolly the easiest and most defined start, remaking the south from the moors and creating the nation of spain by getting lands off aragon . I would give that a go.


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Feb 2015 10:46    Post subject:
Yeah, castile was the way I learned EU IV. Eventually remade Spain and conquered 80% of the americas (both south and north) and some of the south east asian islands. Colonies are not as hard to maintain as people complain but you have to lower the taxes as time goes by to keep them happy and stop any independence revolts.

Pretty easy to learn as there isn't alot of land conflict. Most of it comes from the muslims and having France as ally helped.

Eventually joined France in taking down the holy roman empire Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Feb 2015 10:46    Post subject:
CK2 on the other hand, took me 150 hours to master Very Happy

And my first two tries with Ireland (the supposedly easy nation) were failures. One I ended up with no heirs as my character was sterile and the second one I got owned.
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snoz




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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Feb 2015 16:59    Post subject:
Europa Universalis IV El Dorado-SKIDROW


*contains latest hotfix too \o/ http://www.eu4wiki.com/1.10.1


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briangw




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2015 03:37    Post subject:
snoz wrote:
@@briangw castile is prolly the easiest and most defined start, remaking the south from the moors and creating the nation of spain by getting lands off aragon . I would give that a go.


Thanks, I will try that.

Found a co-worker at work who I didn't know plays this and CK2 so he's offered to lend a hand too. Looking forward to giving this a go this week.
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bronson




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2015 10:12    Post subject:
For new players Castille or Ottomans are a good starting point. With Castille it's easy to learn the basics of diplomacy, colonization and trade. The Ottomans with their powerful militaristic focus it's easy to take land, create vassals and culture/religion convert a lot of territory.
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snoz




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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jun 2015 23:20    Post subject:
Europa.Universalis.IV.Common.Sense-SKIDROW

Massive political update to prolly the best historical grand strategy game there is Very Happy Time to rape the world as England again I think or maybe I'll try France.

Features : http://www.eu4wiki.com/Common_Sense
Changelog : http://www.eu4wiki.com/Patch_1.12


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zibztrollingme




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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jun 2015 00:33    Post subject:
Might play it again. I failed in my quest for world domination last time. Only conquered half the world (including colonies which were under my control the whole time).
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bronson




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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jun 2015 00:36    Post subject:
The latest patch and expansion introduce a lot of changes. The game feels almost completely different. Still a lot of fixing and balancing is needed atm, but the new fort system is cool.
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snoz




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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jun 2015 00:37    Post subject:
zibztrollingme wrote:
Might play it again. I failed in my quest for world domination last time. Only conquered half the world (including colonies which were under my control the whole time).

who did you play as ? Last 3-4 games i played as castille england and portugal I dominated the world. Feels as castille its harder to not dominate then to get crushed Very Happy as England you just got to get over the hard early start. Portugal is pretty easy too. I saw on Arumba video though Castille is at least nerfed.
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snoz




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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jun 2015 01:33    Post subject:
bronson wrote:
The latest patch and expansion introduce a lot of changes. The game feels almost completely different. Still a lot of fixing and balancing is needed atm, but the new fort system is cool.


Ye from watching arumba's videos looked way different , however i think if you know how to play already picking it up wont be that hard.
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jun 2015 03:00    Post subject:
On my learning run I played Castille and while I wasn't able to make inroads in Europe I controlled both North and South America.

Then on my 2nd run I continued my Byzantine Empire save from CK2. The problem with that save was that there were 3 super powers (France, Golden Horde and myself) and it proved extremely difficult eating into the golden horde with France proving to be a bunch of opportunistic bastards and attacking me whenever I was busy with the Golden Horde. Managed to do it eventually but I ran out of time and was never able to grab East Asia.
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jun 2015 05:02    Post subject:
I have to say, this is the only game I ever heard of that has been overhauled from ground up with patches and expansions...

Love it! Love the changes, what a game!


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