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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Mar 2015 21:46    Post subject:
What would be a worthy non-Titan price card worthy of an upgrade from a HD7970 in the next two months? Or should I wait longer?

edit: meh nvm I thought AMD already announced the new series. The 970 isn't worth the 250-300 euros over my HD7970. I'll suffer through Witcher 3 with my budget card (that's what Ubisoft said) Sad
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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Mar 2015 22:51    Post subject:
970 is noticiable faster than your 7970. There really isnt better card for price wise. Only option for you is then to wait AMD new offerings, there will be 380X aswell, which is probably updated 290X.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Mar 2015 23:25    Post subject:
Yeah I've read it's supposed to be a good deal faster, but judging by real game comparisons it's not actually that much (see link for an example). Since my HD7970 is apparently worth shit (100 euros at most), I'll have to spend 250 on top of that for a GTX970. Maybe I'm just expecting too much from a 250 euro upgrade.
Any chance of GTX970 falling in price before June?

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2015-vga-charts/compare,3679.html?prod%5B7266%5D=on&prod%5B7215%5D=on

It's about 37% increase in performance overal. All that for 250 euros Sad Stupid AMD teasing with their stupid new tech.
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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Mar 2015 23:53    Post subject:
You are expecting too much, and 7970 is more worth than 100 euro, it goes about 150€ in here (custom models). 37% is very nice upgrade, not to mention you can get any 970 to around 1500 core easily with OC (then it would atleast over 50% upgrade).
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me7




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 00:45    Post subject:
The 380X is rumored to be a rebranded 290X. This would offer the same performance as a 970, only louder and hotter. There are reports of 290X cards throtteling at stock speed.

Unless you are ready to spend 500€ for a 390X, don't expect anything interesting from AMD soon.
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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 11:49    Post subject:
380X will be rebranded junk, but 390X looks interesting. oh and i don't know where you pulled your 500 EUR number from, but according to very reputable top German tech site 390X price will start at 700USD/EUR (probably 800-900USD/EUR for 8GB water cooled model).

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Probably only the fastest two variants R9 390 and 390X will be fitted with particularly fast Stack Memory (HBM). Both cards will also be significantly more expensive than the other models. The Radeon R9 390 will cost 700 US dollars, the Radeon R9 390X is stated as "700+" on the price list we saw. Regarding the performance AMD assigns both cards between the Radeon R9 290X and the lightning-fast dual-GPU card Radeon R9 295X2. [...] According to our information, the Radeon R9 380X will cost $ 400, the R9 380 is given as $ 330. Both cards are to be faster than the Radeon Radeon R9 290. The 370 will cost $ 200 and will be between the Radeon R9 270X and the R9 285 in terms of performance, the 150 US dollar R7 360X is at the level of the Radeon R7 265. The entry-level card Radeon R7 360 costs 110 US dollar, the power should lie between the R7 250X and 260X cards.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 12:11    Post subject:
Damn you people! You completely killed my hype boner Mad

Thanks for the warning though, I didn't know that. I was under the impression AMD would be hitting hard with this new gen, guess I was wrong. Spending 250 euros would feel like a kick in the nuts, spending 500 euros is impossible for me.
Hopefully the 970 will drop in price a bit in the coming months. I really like the low power consumption.

@Breezer: sadly, my HD7970 goes for around 100 euros here Sad

edit: looks like WItcher 3 is being bundled with GTX970, tempting. That would bring the price down to 300 euros (200 if I can sell my 7970) since I'll be buying the game anyway. Untill what date is this bundle available for purchase? I can't find a date.
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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 14:25    Post subject:
Motherfuckers... I get retarded ubisoft games with my 970 and now they are giving witcher games with it! Fuck my life! Mad

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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 14:25    Post subject:
yeah but it's GoG version. Sad
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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 14:38    Post subject:
I did not get any game with my GTX 970 when i bought it at release Laughing.. Was great for 3Dmark and other benchmarks, but too strong for WoW and Netflix so i sold it Laughing
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Frant
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 14:41    Post subject:
Don't go apeshit over rumors. Let AMD release the official information about pricing, performance, models etc. instead of acting on rumors and guesses.


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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 15:27    Post subject:
yeah but people thinking 390X will be 500EUR are living in a fantasy world. AMD isn't charity.
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 18:06    Post subject:
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 18:37    Post subject:
I seem to recall some top AMD guy saying they are hoping to do something about their low marketshare when talking in the context of the 390X... It could mean they think their GPU is really good, but I hope it was a hint towards more aggressive pricing. Of course, with them silly Nvidia Titans "aggressive pricing" does not need to equal "low", if they can compete on that level.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 23:43    Post subject:
Well I'm full on in GPU buying mode now, I think I'll buy a new one in the coming month. GTX 970 is obviously the prime candidate. The R9 380X rumours are bothering me though. Apparently it's supposed to beat the GTX980, or even a GTX980Ti. Is that for real? I wish we had some proper fucking info.
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Mar 2015 23:51    Post subject:
No one knows. It might, it might not. It might also just be a 290(X) rebrand. We won't know until it's out Wink
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2015 00:23    Post subject:
Why is guru3d so sure it's a rebrand and that it might go head to head with the 980?

edit: every tech site I know is saying the 380X will be a refined Hawaii chip. So still 28nm, probably as power hungry as Hawaii and probably just an overclocked Hawaii in the end. Meh, I am disappoint Sad
Since I highly doubt the 390 will be priced around 350 (HAHA), this gen is irrelevant to me Sad


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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2015 08:10    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
rgb#000 wrote:
yeah but people thinking 390X will be 500EUR are living in a fantasy world. AMD isn't charity.


Why? If AMD bringt a 390X with only 4Gb VRAM and it costs 500-600€ and a 8Gb version which costs 700-800€, then whats your problem?

Only question is if they want to do that at all...


My guess is that 390 is the 4GB model, and its close to 390X performancewhile being around 500 dollars (like 290 vs 290X). 390X is the watercooled extreme derp edition and will cost near Titan X price.
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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2015 22:44    Post subject:
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AMD Radeon R9 300 series finally make an appearance in Catalyst 15.3 Beta

Like always, there are some good and some bad news. The good news is that we finally have DeviceID confirmation for some of these cards. The bad news is that most of them are rebrands.

Just remember we’re interpreting this data our own way, you can download this driver yourself and compare DeviceID with older products. Here’s our conclusion.


http://videocardz.com/55289/amd-radeon-rx-300-series-rebrands-spotted-in-drivers
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2015 23:08    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2015 23:58    Post subject:
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Cyberia309




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 00:46    Post subject:
Just ordered an Asus GTX 970. Should go along nicely with the new rig i picked up (i5-3570k with a 23" monitor for $500) Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 07:08    Post subject:
AMD.. rebrands Reaction


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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 10:19    Post subject:
I don't understand the silence by AMD. Isn't it a bit stupid? All they have to do is release some info showing how they'll bitchslap the 970GTX for a similar price, people will most likely hold off buying a GTX970 :S
A pessimistic man might think they already know they're fucked by the 970, so they're being mysterious just to fool people into waiting (for shit).
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 15:53    Post subject:
Rebrands are usually not meant to "cheat" customers, it's to keep cards in a certain performance and/or price segment as the older generation is phased out. However, the nV/AMD-competition has created survival-tactics (remember the G80 which was with us for ~4 generations or more (the shrink called G92 included) ?) and AMD being an underdog since nVidia is a LOT bigger when it comes to corporate economy, market power etc. has to survive somehow.

For years ATI went with the "price/performance"-strategy to gain market shares (which they did) but it was ultimately unsustainable when AMD took over. When the 69xx-series and especially the 79xx-series came they put hefty price tags on them, following nVidias strategy. Unfortunately for AMD, nVidia turned around and used a little of ATI's old strategy.


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 16:05    Post subject:
@Mister_s AMD are always this quiet. They rarely respond to shit like this.

As for whatever that person thinks they found, AMD tend to add newer chips with old device IDs for testing purposes, it's not indicative of whether it's actually a rebrand until the final driver comes out. To me, this rebranding wouldn't make sense; 270 -> 370 according to him; which means that AMD has to fill 370X, 380, 380X, 390, 390X with Curaçao XT (or Pitcairn if you want to stick to that name), Tonga Pro+XT, Hawaï Pro+XT, Fiji Pro+XT. Means something's gonna left out, which doesn't make much sense. We'll just have to wait and see.
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 16:45    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 21:25    Post subject:
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DV2




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Mar 2015 23:06    Post subject:
I think my GPU might be doing loud sounds even without touching anything from it (or even my tower).

The tower is a Thermaltake Core V71 and the GPU a GIGABYTE GTX 970 4GB G1 Edition.

The front fans of the TT tower are cold while the top and back ones are either templated going to warm (nothing burning ofcourse). In the past i've used to vary up between the tower's LOW and HIGH fan speed but not hearing any sound/speed differences between these two now? Oo..I don't think i've made a bump to the tower nor anything.

About the Fan Speeds, in AIDA64,these are,in RPM:

CPU: 1636 (Lowest for Thermaltake Frio OCK)
Chassis: 850~
GPU: 1835~

While the GPU is at 57C and CPU 50C

I haven't touched the insides of my tower after the release and install of my GPU

EDIT: Is it normal or do i have to check things from the fans or connectors?.I can even smell the heat of the tower from here (it's under the table i work at) and even whenever i push HIGH or LOW for the fan i notice a little variation in speed at the back of the case's fan, meaning they should still work

Maybe it's the GPU's loud noise?


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PostPosted: Wed, 25th Mar 2015 08:44    Post subject:
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MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:

PCI-Express-compliant motherboard with one dual-widthx16 graphics slot
One 6-pin and one 8-pin PCI Express supplementary power connector
Minimum 600 W or greater power supply
300 MB of available hard-drive space
24 GB system memory (48 GB or higher recommended)
Microsoft Windows 8 and 8.1, Windows 7 or Windows Vista


interesting RAM requirements for titan x. don't think any review mentioned it.
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