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 Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 16:48 Post subject: |
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Cant' wait to see all the SDKs that was previously "Impossible to release" now get popped up everywhere so their devs can cash on the mods the users makes.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 17:01 Post subject: |
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"Just pirate the mod"
It is a thing now.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 17:08 Post subject: |
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| deadpoetic wrote: | | Cant' wait to see all the SDKs that was previously "Impossible to release" now get popped up everywhere so their devs can cash on the mods the users makes. |
This might be the one positive thing. Whilst there will always be those wanting to take advantage and exploit, there will always be hobbyists who just want to give back to the community. |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 17:11 Post subject: |
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https://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/611704730313709437/
FilthyCasual, one of the modders behind the likes of ME3's utterly essential MEHEM, speaks out against paid mods.
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First, Valve, you have now made "modder" a dirty word here on the steam forums almost overnight. Thanks a bunch. You have now divided PC consumers and modders, when we used to be a pretty tight bunch.
Second, I now see mods going up that are little tiny swords and whatnot going up for sale. Bundles already that cost more than the game itself. In other words, I am concerned about a complete influx of mods that are completely useless and tiny and unsupported and updated, just because of money-grabbers who want a piece of the pie.
Third, this leads to microtransaction hell. Hell for consumers, and a deluge of stuff to compete against for us modders. This isn't healthy competition. It is gonna be cutthroat. Thanks again for taking the fun out of it.
Fourth, there will be inevitable stealing of other's people's content and then selling it as their own. Some may claim that because they modified another mod's content, they now have created their own mod and are free to sell. I disagree. They are making money at the expense of others.
Fifth, you have a "return policy," if it is even worth of the name, that is full of holes. First, 24hrs isn't much time to test if a mod will glitch out or not. Ever heard of a standard 14 or 30 day return policy? Let's say a consumer buys a mod, then one week later the modder releases an update. This update has a bug, and the game crashes or glitches out. Then let's say, for whatever reason (even a good one. Like real life got in the way) the modder doesn't release an update to fix the bug. Before today, big deal. You could either uninstall the mod or revert to a previous version. Given it was free, most people wouldn't complain too much. But NOW, a consumer will likely be stuck with a useless piece of software they paid good money for. Software that now is worth zilch. They will be, understandably, really upset, with no way to get their money back.
Lastly, you, Valve, are likely hurting good, legal sites like Nexus Mods as some greedy people take their mods, or the "premium versions" off the site in favor of posting to the Steam Workshop. These sites rely on advertising revenue to run, and you will very likely hurt this revenue. Why do that? You used to have a reputiation of siding with the underdog. It is not like you are in competition with people like Nexus. It is not like they are EA, taking a corner of the market. And it isn't even like you really need the money Valve. This just feels to me like a cash cow. A move EA would be proud of, sadly.
As a modder, I disapprove of this move Steam. This may have far reaching consequences, for everyone involved.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 17:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 17:33 Post subject: |
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How much money does that fat fuck need...
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 17:34 Post subject: |
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I wonder how this fits in with Valve's approach to giving users 'added value' to make them paying customers instead of just pirating games.
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Keit
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 17:39 Post subject: |
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Atleast the nude mods will still be free!
Either that or people just stop making them since you can't monetize nudity on steam.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 17:54 Post subject: |
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Maybe HL3 ran out of budget 
Tho in all honesty, the question has been with me... what project or future direction do they have in mind if they need even more ways to make more money.
I mean we all know they will take money where they can easily get... but going this out of the way. Just doesn't seem smart. EA and Ubisoft didn't dare this before them, and I'm pretty sure all the bigger players in the bizz have thought about it one time or another.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 18:00 Post subject: |
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| mike- wrote: | https://www.change.org/p/valve-remove-the-paid-content-of-the-steam-workshop
dont wanna toot any horns or anything, but in less than a day this has recieved 30k signatures out of 35k. sign it, lets see if we can axe this shit move. |
Don't forget that those that signed the petitions against L4D2 and MW2 are the same people that ended up preordering these games. 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 18:02 Post subject: |
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Don't forget that Dark Souls still doesn't exist on PC.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 18:03 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | Don't forget that Dark Souls still doesn't exist on PC. |
Yep, petitions don't work and are a waste of time.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 18:04 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | Don't forget that Dark Souls still doesn't exist on PC. |
I wasn't aware there was a petition to boycott Dark Souls on PC, but ok.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 20:03 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 20:08 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I am also considering removing my content from the Nexus. Why? The problem is that Robin et al, for perfectly good political reasons, have positioned themselves as essentially the champions of free mods and that they would never implement a for-pay system. However, The Nexus is a listed Service Provider on the curated Workshop, and they are profiting from Workshop sales. They are saying one thing, while simultaneously taking their cut. |
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 20:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 20:11 Post subject: |
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Apparently that doesn't mean much according to other workshop users, but does sound a bit dodgy on the face of it. I'm waiting for the Nexus's statement on it.
Edit: This is what they can select, doesn't really say a great deal. Guess we need to hear from nexus:
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 20:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 20:35 Post subject: |
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"There will be backlash"
"We know"
GG Valve. Ever greedy.
~edit~
http://www.nexusmods.com/games/news/12454/?
This too. They're talking about adding donation functionality for modders and then they tackle the enormous clusterfuck that is Valve/Bethesda fucking the community whilst stuffing dollar bills in their mouth. This whole thing is utterly disgusting.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 20:36 Post subject: |
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All the paid mods are unavailable at the moment. Damage control mode?
Edit: Working again for me.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 22:35 Post subject: |
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Guyver
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 23:04 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | "There will be backlash"
"We know"
GG Valve. Ever greedy.
~edit~
http://www.nexusmods.com/games/news/12454/?
This too. They're talking about adding donation functionality for modders and then they tackle the enormous clusterfuck that is Valve/Bethesda fucking the community whilst stuffing dollar bills in their mouth. This whole thing is utterly disgusting. |
sorry but i can't read your last argument if you are pro or con on that post. 
for me, having a donation button is all that i wanted to these mods on nexus or workshop. (just few modders added the " free donation" on the paid workshop mods) |
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Guyver
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2015 23:15 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Oh I'm pro what Nexus are doing, sorry if that wasn't clear  I absolutely agree with a centralised, easy-to-access, donation centre for modders. |
i'm on the same page.
btw that chesko guy is quite the real deal: first put normal mods with additional SKSE functions without making prerequisite, then he put a mod that use FORES animations framework... and put an excuse like "hur durr, valve lawyer said it was ok" without asking for the creator of FORES!
then he removes it trying to damage control everything, saying "experiment failed  " and blames nexus because "OMG THEY ARE TAKING MONEY with the curator page, im not gonna go back there "
jesus christ this guy.  |
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