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harry_theone




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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 15:03    Post subject:
LAWL nice vurt.

Something along the quote of Gabe 'money is the steering wheel of blah..'

Or 'Fus Roh Kaching!'
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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 15:03    Post subject:
inb4 Microsoft copies this concept for Minecraft Smile

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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 15:05    Post subject:


harry_theone wrote:
Or 'Fus Roh Kaching!'


Fus Roh Dosh! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 15:10    Post subject:
vurt wrote:


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/69293119/test0001.mp4

Cool Face

if you have suggestions please share (e.g something funny to say with a cheesy voice over etc).


WANT!! LOL
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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 15:27    Post subject:
Hahaha Laughing

boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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vurt




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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 15:34    Post subject:
The mod is going to be called Inverted SFO - Gabe for one day (inverted because i have removed all the trees / grass from the world) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 15:42    Post subject:
Thats hilarious and great satire. Awesome job vurt!
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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Apr 2015 15:46    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
harry_theone wrote:
Or 'Fus Roh Kaching!'


Fus Roh Dosh! Laughing


Yes! Well played Whirling cane
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 07:05    Post subject:
I can't believe no-one posted this ... Valve and Bethesda are rolling back the payment for mods. It's being removed right now. I bet some of the modders are now going to leave the community in a huff Laughing
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inz




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 07:17    Post subject:
For now, yes. But I very much doubt we've seen the last of this. Valve will likely continue pushing it for their new games (if those ever come out, heh) and Bethesda might try it with Fallout 4 right from its release, too.
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 07:19    Post subject:
inz wrote:
For now, yes. But I very much doubt we've seen the last of this. Valve will likely continue pushing it for their new games (if those ever come out, heh) and Bethesda might try it with Fallout 4 right from its release, too.

Well after the huge backlash, at the very least they might reconsider how they do it and make it a little more fair for the modder and consumer.

For now, I'm glad they didn't completely ruin Skyrim for me, by putting certain vital mods behind a pay wall. Heck, even if I was so daft to want to pay for the mods, the fact that Steamworks is horrible would put me off anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 07:26    Post subject:
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vurt




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 07:34    Post subject:
red_avatar wrote:
I can't believe no-one posted this ... Valve and Bethesda are rolling back the payment for mods. It's being removed right now. I bet some of the modders are now going to leave the community in a huff Laughing


yeah i saw that a while ago.. Did any of the bigger modders support this idea though? Except that dude who makes static mesh improvements..

I actually kind of supported the idea in the past, but i don't think it works in practice.

Even if a mod is just 0.24€ or whatever there's just too many great mods. It would really add up.. And wouldn't there have to be demos for mods too then? Nah, modding (as in using them, not doing modding) is a hassle as it is already, it doesnt need demos or being paid for, to add to this time consuming hassle.

As a modder it's perhaps easy to think "but my mod is just 0.3€ - it's nothing!! ...and if everyone who uses the mod would pay me..." the problem is they'd have to pay 300 other people Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 07:42    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
red_avatar wrote:
I can't believe no-one posted this ... Valve and Bethesda are rolling back the payment for mods. It's being removed right now. I bet some of the modders are now going to leave the community in a huff Laughing


yeah i saw that a while ago.. Did any of the bigger modders support this idea though? Except that dude who makes static mesh improvements..

I actually kind of supported the idea in the past, but i don't think it works in practice.

Even if a mod is just 0.24€ or whatever there's just too many great mods. It would really add up.. And wouldn't there have to be demos for mods too then? Nah, modding (as in using them, not doing modding) is a hassle as it is already, it doesnt need demos or being paid for, to add to this time consuming hassle.

As a modder it's perhaps easy to think "but my mod is just 0.3€ - it's nothing!! ...and if everyone who uses the mod would pay me..." the problem is they'd have to pay 300 other people Laughing


I'm all for supporting bigger mods that require continuous work but I do NOT want this to go the way of Second Life where every outfit costs money. Small payments aren't really a thing that works either - every transaction costs money and a small payment will have a transaction fee nearly as much as the actual payment. Steam gets around that by requiring 5 € minimum in your wallet per charge but modders on Nexus don't have that benefit ... kinda sad. Perhaps Nexus should introduce a wallet of t heir own?
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frogster




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 08:21    Post subject:
people keeps going that bathsheba deserve 45%.
they dont deserve a shit.
at the best they should ask for a fixed amount to issue a mod licence for premium payed mods 50-100$), free/donate mods should not require a license. steam should keep their cut, but they need to work to get that $, not to rely on a half arsed workshop.

why developers dont deserve a permanent cut ?
because mods and mod comunity greatly enhance the life of a product.
without mods, skrym would have died (sales) after top 1 year.
mods keeps the sales going, so bathsheba already got $ even from free mods.
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 13:42    Post subject:
It does not matter if they take it back, the thought/idea is already spread over any Modding Community that exists, threads with questions like 'should we really get paid for our time doing mods' already in place. Like vurt said, the true failure of this system is the amount of possible Mods, people with a modded Skyrim with beyond 100+ Mods aren't going to pay just because it's way too much cash to spend on things that you sometimes change quickly.

To be honest, I have several modded instances of games on my external HDD, which I then rarely or never used, now there can be the same issue with people that bought Mods, it's just way out of hand.

Whoever did it knew what they would unleash, it's very clever. And if those money hungry people leave the community, FINE, more space (and donations) for those that need the exposure anyway.

'I once modded Skyrim, but then I took a dollar to the knee'


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 14:23    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
As a modder it's perhaps easy to think "but my mod is just 0.3€ - it's nothing!! ...and if everyone who uses the mod would pay me..." the problem is they'd have to pay 300 other people Laughing
But that's something valve and most of the tardos defending this failed to grasp: (dare I say that) most mods are not a product from X dude alone, far from it. There are resources, features, systems shared with the rest of the mod community.

boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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vurt




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 18:46    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
vurt wrote:
As a modder it's perhaps easy to think "but my mod is just 0.3€ - it's nothing!! ...and if everyone who uses the mod would pay me..." the problem is they'd have to pay 300 other people Laughing
But that's something valve and most of the tardos defending this failed to grasp: (dare I say that) most mods are not a product from X dude alone, far from it. There are resources, features, systems shared with the rest of the mod community.


Exactly.. In my Summer version there's files from another modder... Or why not the example with the person who tried to sell my mod (with slight alterations).. Good luck with that (legaly), and i don't mean the dude selling it, i mean Valve who would be spreading and selling, basically, pirated software. They were absolutely clueless of what they're were getting themselves into.
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 21:31    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
tonizito wrote:
vurt wrote:
As a modder it's perhaps easy to think "but my mod is just 0.3€ - it's nothing!! ...and if everyone who uses the mod would pay me..." the problem is they'd have to pay 300 other people Laughing
But that's something valve and most of the tardos defending this failed to grasp: (dare I say that) most mods are not a product from X dude alone, far from it. There are resources, features, systems shared with the rest of the mod community.


Exactly.. In my Summer version there's files from another modder... Or why not the example with the person who tried to sell my mod (with slight alterations).. Good luck with that (legaly), and i don't mean the dude selling it, i mean Valve who would be spreading and selling, basically, pirated software. They were absolutely clueless of what they're were getting themselves into.

Everything you create with the construction kit is owned by Bethesda anyway. You'd know that if you read the EULA you have to agree to before you can download the kit.
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vurt




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Apr 2015 21:36    Post subject:
Overlord123 wrote:

Everything you create with the construction kit is owned by Bethesda anyway. You'd know that if you read the EULA you have to agree to before you can download the kit.


If you think i created my mod with the construction set you are clueless.
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 07:03    Post subject:
Modders should get 90%. But judging from reactions post cancellation dis gun be gud. Cheap fucks expecting mods for free shit talked modders in the last days so now modders are pulling down their files and won't mod anymore... Hihi. Donations are a joke as well apparently. 500$ earned by skyui creator in 4 years for the amount of work he put in! Hah again bunch of entitled Cheap fucks.

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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 07:14    Post subject:
Modding was never supposed to be about money...
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 07:40    Post subject:
zibztrollingme wrote:
Modding was never supposed to be about money...


Because modders are charity or owe you their time right? Because quality mods don't take time and work to develop... Right? Because... You feel you should just get it all for free... Right?

How about next month you go to work you do it for free?

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Sure there are modders that don't want any money for their work but the choice should be there for those that do instead of forcing them to post their mods for free. Either way this is coming back in the future... Just not for skyrim Devil Troll

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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 07:46    Post subject:
russ80 wrote:
Modders should get 90%. But judging from reactions post cancellation dis gun be gud. Cheap fucks expecting mods for free shit talked modders in the last days so now modders are pulling down their files and won't mod anymore... Hihi. Donations are a joke as well apparently. 500$ earned by skyui creator in 4 years for the amount of work he put in! Hah again bunch of entitled Cheap fucks.

If the guy wants money, he shouldn't make mods.

Mods are there to show off your skills, to support the game you like, to potentially get attention from publishers or developers and to get recognition from others. That's how it always has been. Counter Strike was a massive endeavor that was completely free and took years of work.

Add money to this, and mods are fucked. Any big project has several people involved - can you guess what happens once it comes to dividing the money? Can you?
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 07:48    Post subject:
red_avatar wrote:
russ80 wrote:
Modders should get 90%. But judging from reactions post cancellation dis gun be gud. Cheap fucks expecting mods for free shit talked modders in the last days so now modders are pulling down their files and won't mod anymore... Hihi. Donations are a joke as well apparently. 500$ earned by skyui creator in 4 years for the amount of work he put in! Hah again bunch of entitled Cheap fucks.

If the guy wants money, he shouldn't make mods.

Mods are there to show off your skills, to support the game you like, to potentially get attention from publishers or developers and to get recognition from others. That's how it always has been. Counter Strike was a massive endeavor that was completely free and took years of work.

Add money to this, and mods are fucked. Any big project has several people involved - can you guess what happens once it comes to dividing the money? Can you?


And who are you to say he shouldn't want money for his work? Will you do it for him? Thanks for proving my point. You somehow think you're entitled to free mods.

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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 07:53    Post subject:
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Shame on you r_a, falling for that 0/10 shit. Seriously Sad

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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 08:37    Post subject:
russ80 wrote:
red_avatar wrote:
russ80 wrote:
Modders should get 90%. But judging from reactions post cancellation dis gun be gud. Cheap fucks expecting mods for free shit talked modders in the last days so now modders are pulling down their files and won't mod anymore... Hihi. Donations are a joke as well apparently. 500$ earned by skyui creator in 4 years for the amount of work he put in! Hah again bunch of entitled Cheap fucks.

If the guy wants money, he shouldn't make mods.

Mods are there to show off your skills, to support the game you like, to potentially get attention from publishers or developers and to get recognition from others. That's how it always has been. Counter Strike was a massive endeavor that was completely free and took years of work.

Add money to this, and mods are fucked. Any big project has several people involved - can you guess what happens once it comes to dividing the money? Can you?


And who are you to say he shouldn't want money for his work? Will you do it for him? Thanks for proving my point. You somehow think you're entitled to free mods.


You are twisting the meaning of mods. They have always been free because they are regarded as a hobby, cooperative or not. Modders are not expected to deliver professional work or support. Many mods have bugs and many players are actually bugtesting. No modder has ever been forced to share their work but they do regardless because why the fuck not.

Its not entilement, its an ecosystem that has been working nicely for decades.

But why am I even responding to a troll.

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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 11:59    Post subject:
russ80 wrote:
Modders should get 90%. But judging from reactions post cancellation dis gun be gud. Cheap fucks expecting mods for free shit talked modders in the last days so now modders are pulling down their files and won't mod anymore... Hihi. Donations are a joke as well apparently. 500$ earned by skyui creator in 4 years for the amount of work he put in! Hah again bunch of entitled Cheap fucks.


He's earned $500? Wow.. Haven't really counted, but i think i might have gotten around $60 or so, if i combine all my mods. I'm not complaining, just saying that $500 is a lot, I havent heard from any other modder who has gotten that much, i can only congratulate him Smile

Imo, modding is a hobby and that's why it has certain qualities over paid work. Hobbies very rarely generates any money, usually it costs money. If people spend time to download, play and comment on your work in positive ways that's awesome and the modder should be thankful. If someone decides to donate to his hobby he should be even more thankful. It's no different than people sharing free music, art or whatever, most of these people don't get paid.. I listen a lot to artists on Soundcloud, some are very talented and they ask for nothing in return, they only want people to appreciate their work and what they've put into it..
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 12:47    Post subject:
russ80 wrote:
You somehow think you're entitled to free mods.


Entitled? Entitled?! Let's turn it around.

Modders aren't entitled to money. They should go make a fucking game if they want money.
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