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It's rather pointless making decisions before the hardware is available for purchase for obvious reasons, and when it will be available for purchase there will also be proper reviews.
Therefore - none of it matters now.
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sausje
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 19:50 Post subject: |
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To you and some others it might not, to me and some others it does. You don't define that 
To me this indicates that I'm not going to upgrade this year and stick with my 2600k another year, if these numbers where good enough, it helped me decide to upgrade and I already could start planning/saving for it.
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Slizza
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 19:59 Post subject: |
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Well you did some strange math and decided that it would be a 15% max performance increase.
Even if the numbers were true to the final release it would be a good deal more than 15% average increase over a 2600k at stock speeds. Who knows how much further overclockign would add on that.
Off the top of my head it should be about 30% increase stock for stock?
Doubt i'm far out. If anybody can be bothered posting exact benchmark numbers then go for it.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 20:23 Post subject: |
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| Slizza wrote: | Well you did some strange math and decided that it would be a 15% max performance increase.
Even if the numbers were true to the final release it would be a good deal more than 15% average increase over a 2600k at stock speeds. Who knows how much further overclockign would add on that.
Off the top of my head it should be about 30% increase stock for stock?
Doubt i'm far out. If anybody can be bothered posting exact benchmark numbers then go for it. |
How much % increase would be gained from a STOCK 2500K to a 6600/6700 (K for the higher Ghz) ?
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 20:42 Post subject: |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 21:09 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | DV2 wrote: | | How much % increase would be gained from a STOCK 2500K to a 6600/6700 (K for the higher Ghz) ? |
| DV2 wrote: | | Knowing that i won't OC the CPU, wich should i pick?..6600K or 6700K (For HT and coz it has 4Ghz etc) ? |
If you buy a K-model and don't overclock it, I'm going to personally hire someone to go to your house and flick you in the eyeball. |
It's DV2, I expect nothing less. |
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sausje
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 21:23 Post subject: |
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| Slizza wrote: | Well you did some strange math and decided that it would be a 15% max performance increase.
Even if the numbers were true to the final release it would be a good deal more than 15% average increase over a 2600k at stock speeds. Who knows how much further overclockign would add on that.
Off the top of my head it should be about 30% increase stock for stock?
Doubt i'm far out. If anybody can be bothered posting exact benchmark numbers then go for it. |
You didn't read, I was clearly talking about games-wise.
| sausje wrote: | But that means new ram, new mobo and new cpu. All those combined just don't justify the actual small gain in the thing I do the most: playing games.
Would be €450+ for just a ~15% at max performance increase on the CPU... A little too much for too little gain. |
Used this as reference point: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2389580
Guy tested 66 games with a Titan, the 2500k vs 4790k, some other user gathered data from gamegpu.ru.
Average difference, around 5-6% increase, and that's the i5 vs i7 even.
So my point still stands, it's not worth the money upgrading this year.
But fair enough, going to stock and run the same benches they ran. See what difference in numbers I get
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 21:39 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | Used this as reference point: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2389580
Guy tested 66 games with a Titan, the 2500k vs 4790k, some other user gathered data from gamegpu.ru.
Average difference, around 5-6% increase, and that's the i5 vs i7 even.
So my point still stands, it's not worth the money upgrading this year.
But fair enough, going to stock and run the same benches they ran. See what difference in numbers I get |
Again, average FPS is not what you would most stand to gain from a CPU upgrade. Minimums and frametime consistency is what you would notice the most.
And from personal experience (2500K vs 4790K) I can say what I have said before - there were clear bottlenecks which severely limited my GPU in some games on a 4.4 GHz 2500K, which was no longer an issue with the 4790K (even with HT off, so it's not a multi-core thing).
If one doesn't have any issues with the way their CPU works now, there is no point in upgrading. If you want more FPS, and do not see any bottlenecks, get a new GPU instead.
CPU upgrade for the sake of average FPS increase is a very inefficient investment.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 22:00 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | Again, average FPS is not what you would most stand to gain from a CPU upgrade. |
It is when it's the only thing I care for when looking for an upgrade for myself.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 22:53 Post subject: |
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So you say 6700 non k?.. Enlighten me up,please (No sarcasm,no trolling please)
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 22:59 Post subject: |
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| DV2 wrote: | | So you say 6700 non k?.. Enlighten me up,please (No sarcasm,no trolling please) |
Am pretty sure you are the one trolling us for past few years. |
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Jul 2015 23:28 Post subject: |
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| Przepraszam wrote: | | DV2 wrote: | | So you say 6700 non k?.. Enlighten me up,please (No sarcasm,no trolling please) |
Am pretty sure you are the one trolling us for past few years. |
It's kinda sad that we can't help ourselves and take part in it despite him using the exact same template and following the same pattern every time.
All he does is replace hardware models with whatever is currently relevant. I should refrain from feeding trolls that refuse to evolve...
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Jul 2015 00:01 Post subject: |
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| DV2 wrote: | | So you say 6700 non k?.. Enlighten me up,please (No sarcasm,no trolling please) |
There's *zero* point in buying a K model proc if you're not going to overclock, you gain nothing from it and you lose a substantial chunk of change in the process. Honestly, I've lost count of the amount of times people have advised you to OC your procs.. you could push your 2500k to 4Ghz on air without even touching the voltages and it would be fine.
If you're deadset on not OCing, DON'T waste money on a K model proc. If you're waiting to upgrade to the 6th gen i5/i7, get one of the non-K models .. you'll save money, save power, lower temperature and have full virtualisation in case you ever want to run full VMs.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Jul 2015 00:38 Post subject: |
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Heck, give me your 2500k, I've been dreading going for a 2500 non-k a year or 2 after I bought it  At least I'd use it properly 
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Jul 2015 07:10 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | DV2 wrote: | | So you say 6700 non k?.. Enlighten me up,please (No sarcasm,no trolling please) |
There's *zero* point in buying a K model proc if you're not going to overclock, you gain nothing from it and you lose a substantial chunk of change in the process. Honestly, I've lost count of the amount of times people have advised you to OC your procs.. you could push your 2500k to 4Ghz on air without even touching the voltages and it would be fine.
If you're deadset on not OCing, DON'T waste money on a K model proc. If you're waiting to upgrade to the 6th gen i5/i7, get one of the non-K models .. you'll save money, save power, lower temperature and have full virtualisation in case you ever want to run full VMs. |
Ok then, honest answer there. See?, no trolling involved from Sabin unlike 2 other persons
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Jul 2015 08:03 Post subject: |
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And so the cycle continues...
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Jul 2015 08:08 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Jul 2015 11:11 Post subject: |
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I thought with Skylake the non k versions are actually lower clocked?
Just from everywhere I've bothered to look the 6700k has a base clock of 4.0 and the 6700 is 3.4 or something like that, this is just based on 'leaked' info.
If this is the case, then the k version does offer something to the non-oc'ers
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Jul 2015 11:18 Post subject: |
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i don't really understand why is everyone going crazy over skylake. so it will require you to buy new mobo, and you most likely will want DDR4 version and not buy new mobo with "past" technology DDR3. so DDR4 mobos will be more expensive and DDR4 is also more expensive. sounds familiar? yes that's what X99 already is. so is there a single advantage of Z170 DDR4 6700K setup vs X99 DDR4 5820K setup? stock clock is the only advantage for 6700K i can think of. and ofcourse in benchmarks 6700K will win solely because of big stock clocks advantage, but when you OC both to the ceiling it will be a different story.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Jul 2015 14:49 Post subject: |
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| DV2 wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | | DV2 wrote: | | So you say 6700 non k?.. Enlighten me up,please (No sarcasm,no trolling please) |
There's *zero* point in buying a K model proc if you're not going to overclock, you gain nothing from it and you lose a substantial chunk of change in the process. Honestly, I've lost count of the amount of times people have advised you to OC your procs.. you could push your 2500k to 4Ghz on air without even touching the voltages and it would be fine.
If you're deadset on not OCing, DON'T waste money on a K model proc. If you're waiting to upgrade to the 6th gen i5/i7, get one of the non-K models .. you'll save money, save power, lower temperature and have full virtualisation in case you ever want to run full VMs. |
Ok then, honest answer there. See?, no trolling involved from Sabin unlike 2 other persons |
That's the thing though dude, as others have said; you *always* get the same advice. Every time you mention upgrading, multiple people give you the same advice, every time you mention OCing, we give the same advice. Buying a K proc and not OCing is wasteful .. you don't even need to upgrade now, just overclock. Overclock and you've GOT your upgrade.
For free.
Rather than spending €400+ on an entirely new rig (and you'll need to; proc, mobo, RAM) push your proc to 4-4.4Ghz and gain a tremendous performance boost. I mean, ffs, you bought a Frio OCK for crying out loud... why? That's an expensive air cooler designed primarily for overclocking! 
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Jul 2015 15:55 Post subject: |
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Then don't buy a K. You gain nothing and lose a lot.
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