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Prices for Europe ( € ) have popped up and also some of the ASUS MB's are out,along with Skylake 6600K/6700K
ASUS Boards:
Z-170-P D3 = 118,95€
Z-170 A = 164,99€ http://tienda.lifeinformatica.com/placas-base/asus/1151/placa-base-asus-z170-a.htm
Z-170 PRO GAMING = 172€ http://tienda.lifeinformatica.com/placas-base/asus/1151/placa-base-asus-z170-pro-gaming.htm
Skylake:
6600K = 275€
6700K = 395€
Question is, what'd be worth?,the A or PRO GAMING one?.. PRO GAMING one has 4 USB 3.0 at the tower's behind while the A one has 2 only..
HELP!
EDIT: However, it seems that some Skylake reviews out there for the 6700K says it does a bit worse than a 4790K, but we might have to wait a day or two until someone comes with a true, NON-OC and OC'd review of the Skylake with games nowadays..
Here's one source (Warning: DDR3 ) https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/Z170A_GAMING_M7/12.html
And here's another, longer one http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-cpu-review-processor-gaming-performance/
The urge/wait's KILLING ME!
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 13:32 Post subject: |
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Yup. That's confusing right now. There are models with DDR3 and models with DDR4. Will wait a wee bit longer to see how it turns. Meanwhile, i will grab the other stuff from my list (Case and PSU)
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 13:40 Post subject: |
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With motherboards, always: just go with the features that you need. And don't get fooled by fancy names 
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 14:18 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 14:28 Post subject: |
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4.8Ghz "stable" (because usually G3D's stability testing is very lackluster) with insanely high voltage of 1.45v. just as I expected, another year another tiny incremental performance increase.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 14:31 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | 4.8Ghz "stable" (because usually G3D's stability testing is very lackluster) with insanely high voltage of 1.45v. just as I expected, another year another tiny incremental performance increase. |
There's probably already other reviews popping up as the NDA period is now over but yeah in terms of raw performance it's once again only a small gain.
EDIT: WCCF has a review roundup near the bottom of this Skylake article.
http://wccftech.com/intel-unleashes-14nm-skylake-k-core-i7-6700k-core-i5-6600k-processors-91w-z170-platform-support/
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 14:45 Post subject: |
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i don't see a single reason to buy 6700K over 5820K unless out of the box clock is the only thing you care about.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 15:19 Post subject: |
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Now i'm between 6600k and 6700K ...X___X;...
One has 3.5Ghz and No HT. The 6700K has 4Ghz AND HAS HT...
But i don't know much of the difference with HT.. If you're, for example, working with one program, HT would not be activated then.. But if ya dunno, Firefox + Encoding hard shit with Photoshop/Premiere Pro CC, that'd get activated and work out, right?.
Dunno if HT will be helpful in the future for Gaming or not..If not, i'd get 6600K, but then HT helps in other hard shit (also 4Ghz)
Could someone Please enlighten me some?..
2500K user, but won't OC at all (In this case, get the highest Ghz out of the box and features)
Also, Guru3D says that with 6700K over past gens is 20% faster... But what about VS 2500K?, and comparing it to 6600K?
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 15:21 Post subject: |
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If HT is properly utilized, its like 30% performance gain. These days games are very multithreaded right now, no point buying i5 if you have cash for i7.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 15:27 Post subject: |
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And if HT is not utilized i take it's 20% over 2500K?..Still a worth upgrade then..
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 15:42 Post subject: |
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6700K is going to be nice upgrade over 2500K, if you have something like 2600K then i suggest not "upgrading". I have 2 systems, other one is 2700K @ 4,8Ghz (same clocks as my 4790K, and i dont see any difference in anything, unless its 3Dmark and CPU score). But even 2500K, that CPU runs everything still like a champ, unless its a game coded by monkeys like ubishit. Better just invest on a good GPU if you want games run better.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 18:01 Post subject: |
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Guess if things are going like this i'm not going to upgrade at all.. Might consider the Galaxy S6 now that it has dropped 100€ to all..
DAMN YOU,INTEL!!!!!!!
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2015 23:50 Post subject: |
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I guess my next upgrade will be Kaby Lake.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 01:53 Post subject: |
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Sadly but who knows what'll happen in 1-2 years. Last minute fixes for Skylake to go better before Kabby?..
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 04:28 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | After testing the Core i5 6600K my feelings are a bit two-fold though. Let's face it - clock for clock these processors all roughly perform the same starting at Sandy-Bridge the Core i5 2500 / Core i7 2600 series. It's the clock frequencies where you can find the extra performance, but even then .. it's all very relative as the 6600K falls into the big blur range of processors already out there (in terms of perf). Skylake probably should have gotten a 6 or 8-core version ? But that's going to be Skylake-E I guess. So raw processor performance wise aside from the usual small incremental increases, nothing will change big-time. |
Since Haswell was released (and found to become very hot when overclocking) most of us (and tech-geeks) waited for Skylake, knowing that Broadwell was a minor step specifically aimed at prolonging battery life on laptops etc. while rumors, Intel information, "leaks" etc. for 12+ months promised that Skylake would basically make a major jump in IPC and be the first since Sandy to push the performance boundaries. Now we know that's just nonsense.
I have an Ivy Bridge Core i5 3570K which I've run stable at 4.9GHz (booted @ 5GHz but things got a bit hot while still stable, and I didn't really need even 4.9GHz) but run at 4.5GHz on a day-to-day basis. I don't use those heavy applications that G3D and some other sites run to test the performance. Any increase in game performance is within 5-10% (depending on how well the engine copes with multithreading).
| Quote: | | However if you purchased say a Core i7 2600K back in 2011 then you are looking at a 5 to 10% CPU performance increase. Compared to the Core i5 2500K that number runs up to 25~30%. That's just not a lot in the world of technology where 4 years is a long time. |
Back to Zen for a response... when it's got one.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 13:02 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | 6700K is going to be nice upgrade over 2500K |
more like side-grade. what's the point changing one quad core to another slightly faster one. i had 2500K and upgraded to 5820K because that's the only upgrade that made sense to me. before 2500K i had C2D, so my upgrade path was 2 cores -> 4 cores -> 6 cores.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 14:59 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | Im actually looking forward to Zen processors, i really hope AMD could make some competition (atleast with sandy bridge  ). What goes for Intel performance, do we need more CPU power since SB?... Now with DX12 coming and shit, CPU power is least of the worries. |
We don't have that much more power since SB, we have a little more performance on single or dual threaded apps and more performance when using 4 cores (without and with Hyperthreading) with heavily multi-threaded applications.
Sandy Bridge was the last major jump in IPC by Intel and the frequencies stay pretty much the same.
You want IPC for all the games, apps (music apps with plugins etc.) etc. that are mainly using one main thread with some sub-threads to take care of some minor tasks. They are in absolute majority.
When Sandy was released AMD had dropped the ball and they never managed to pick it up or even reach the soccer arena to begin with. No competition = Intel can churn out minor upgrades of the same basic design which is bolted on with some new instruction sets and so on every 6-9 months without making much of an effort to really kick butt.
We need Zen to kick the bulldozer architecture into the same pit that the Pentium 4 ended up in (for those who remember, the P4 was very hot, slower than an Athlon64/Opteron clock by clock and couldn't dream of reaching the clocks of the Athlon 64 Dual/Opteron 165 (the masterpiece). It took several iterations for Intel to get the P4 9xx-series to catch up, then they killed off the P4-design, returned to their modified P3-design (the mobile cpu core) and reworked it into the first generation core CPU's which later became Core 2 Duo and finally the Core i5/i7 series.
So Zen, please be good enough to compete.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 15:03 Post subject: |
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What a shame... guess I'll keep using my 3570K for still quite a while then :3 all those efficiency improvements lately sure are great for mobile devices, but the desktop market really hasn't seen a great leap performance-wise since SSDs became affordable.
With my 3570K, GTX 660 Ti and SSD I still can play most games on mid-high settings, and I'm fine with that. Maybe a GPU upgrade next year, but for now... naw, just not worth it.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 15:14 Post subject: |
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Sometimes it feels like people just want it for the sake of having something new. 
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 15:24 Post subject: |
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Sandy Bridge K club report in!
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 17:34 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 17:46 Post subject: |
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+30-40FPS in TW3 if we talk about Stock 2500K (my case) and perhaps tiny lil bit less with 970
Well, that's something nice to know. Stilll, dunno , like you said, they haven't tried "harder" with "NEWER GAMES" that'd put the CPU to a big test
If they can do a 2500K Stock (or like this one, 4Ghz) with more "hardcore" games like this THE WITCHER 3 , for example, GTA V, CRYSIS 3? and maaaaaaany many many other ACTUAL GAMES then perhaps there's still some hope to upgrade to Skylake (and it's new MB features)
Sure, X99 is 6 Cores, but that's more for overclockers and/or people who does heavy shit.. and people with Watercooling Blocks (Something i never want to touch)..
I'd get the 6700K at stock speeds TO BEGIN WITH.But still, like i've said, "Let's wait for true reviews with actual GPUs (AND NOT iGPUs) and perhaps there's hope"
EDIT: Oh wait, the "Sauce" has many more benchmarks and all of 'em containing my stuff (1920x1080, nearly 970?) and on Ultra, among the mentioned benchmarks... Well, any new toughts,guys?
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 18:19 Post subject: |
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I think one issue is that most people still play at 60 FPS and remain unaware of the bottlenecks, since they are not as obvious. Even that W3 benchmark shows it - that 30-40 FPS gain will be lost on a lot of people, since they will never see those numbers behind the 60FPS lock, which the 2500K appears to deal with just fine.
People with 120/144 Hz screens and high-end GPUs (even more so if it's multi-GPUs) will definitely want to move up from SB.
It will be interesting to see how DX12 changes things, but my 2500K was still bottlenecking even under Mantle in some cases.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 18:24 Post subject: |
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*Raises a hand* 120hz BenQ 24" here + GTX 970 + V-SYNC OFF on all games.
Mantle?. Also, what Ghz ya 2500K have and wich GPU/s do you have?
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