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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 18:34    Post subject:
Link/s please?


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 18:40    Post subject:
Some of their results are indeed a bit weird. Perhaps they picked some specific situations which might show the difference between CPUs more clearly, but otherwise might not be indicative of your typical game performance.

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*Raises a hand* 120hz BenQ 24" here + GTX 970 + V-SYNC OFF on all games.

Mantle?. Also, what Ghz ya 2500K have and wich GPU/s do you have?

I upgraded from 2500K at 4.3 to 4790K, which is running at 4.5 right now.
Overclocking doesn't do that much when you hit certain nastier CPU bottlenecks (which recent games seem to have plenty of). When testing those specific bottlenecks the 4790K at stock would just push right through them, and in those cases I could easily claim some 50FPS+ gains from the CPU upgrade.
Also, that was on a R9 290.
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 18:55    Post subject:
Hmmm again, better wait for more tests, but that lightens up some hope. If 2500K -> 4790K at Stocks Might be around 30-50FPS gain, wich's a lot?, i wouldn't imagine how 2500k -> 6700K would be like...

Ummmm not into ATI but how would a R9 290 compare with a Nvidia card?..


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 19:01    Post subject:
Check reviews for numbers. The 290 and 970 are relatively close in performance.
It is considered that Nvidia GPUs see larger gains from better CPUs, due to driver overhead issues on AMD side.
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 19:04    Post subject:
Jesus what is here so hard to understand, Skylake is basically identical in performance compared to Haswell, and Haswell has its IPC maximum of 20-30% faster than SB (in paper). If you have 2500K then direct comparison for that would be 6600K, and on the same clocks you are looking at maximum of 10-30% performance increase (in real world pretty much nonexistant), then if you hop on the 6700K wagon you are getting HT which results in 20-30% performance gain if its properly used, so in other words 6700K is around 50% (only if its properly used) faster in paper than your 2500K at the same clocks, thanks to HT.
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 19:08    Post subject:
DV2 wrote:
Hmmm again, better wait for more tests, but that lightens up some hope. If 2500K -> 4790K at Stocks Might be around 30-50FPS gain, wich's a lot?, i wouldn't imagine how 2500k -> 6700K would be like...

Ummmm not into ATI but how would a R9 290 compare with a Nvidia card?..

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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Aug 2015 21:50    Post subject:
+1 Facepalm


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 07:13    Post subject:
Get Haswell-E and be done with it, if you need to wait and "see more tests" then you have your answer. If you really wanted to upgrade, you'd have done so already, there basically is no other upgrade path from SB other than an extreme platform. An upgrade to haswell or skylake would be pretty much only visual considering real world gaming performance would barely be different from SB.




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Aug 2015 19:00    Post subject:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9505/skylake-cpu-package-analysis

Same shit TIM like on original Haswell CPU´s, inb4 "devils canyon" skylake.
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Aug 2015 00:49    Post subject:
mainstream intel platform peasants still dicking around with deliding and all that crap, some things never change Reaction

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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Aug 2015 17:54    Post subject:
Bought an i7-6700K, MSI Z170A GAMING M7, and Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB.

Delivered tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Aug 2015 18:35    Post subject:
Ehh. Not sure what to do wait for Kaby Lake or just get haswell-e. Looks like Kaby Lake will most likely end up terrible too.


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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Aug 2015 19:04    Post subject:
Newty182 wrote:
Bought an i7-6700K, MSI Z170A GAMING M7, and Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB.

Delivered tomorrow.


Bring photos of the product boxes and unboxed!..And mounted too (That way i can see how your Water cooler looks like too XP)


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2015 01:01    Post subject:
Newty182 wrote:
Bought an i7-6700K, MSI Z170A GAMING M7, and Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB.

Delivered tomorrow.

sell me your i5


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2015 02:38    Post subject:
Gonna be using the i5 in a second PC. Plus it's a really shit overclocker, and I mean REALLY bad. I will be pissed if the i7 is as bad as my i5 is at overclocking.


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2015 22:20    Post subject:
It will be Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 01:18    Post subject:
Oddmaker wrote:
It will be Wink


As in wont OC at all. Not even 0.2ghz and be stable with any amount of reasonable voltage? Honestly, my i5 chip should have been an i3.


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 02:13    Post subject:
Where I live they are asking $550 for 6700k, I struggle to justify paying that for cpu especially when the margin between 300-550 is going to be at best 5% in some applications.

I don't think I've paid past $300 on a CPU in the last decade, all of which have o/c past 4.2ghz.. I don't think I can convince myself to upgrade
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 10:15    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
Where I live they are asking $550 for 6700k, I struggle to justify paying that for cpu especially when the margin between 300-550 is going to be at best 5% in some applications.

I don't think I've paid past $300 on a CPU in the last decade, all of which have o/c past 4.2ghz.. I don't think I can convince myself to upgrade


Haswell i7 4790K vs Ivy Bridge i7 3770K:

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Compared to Ivy Bridge:

Approximately 8% better vector processing performance.

Up to 6% faster single-threaded performance.

6% faster multi-threaded performance.

Desktop variants of Haswell draw between 8% and 23% more power under load than Ivy Bridge.

A 6% increase in sequential CPU performance (eight execution ports per core versus six).

Up to 20% performance increase over the integrated HD4000 GPU (Haswell HD4600 vs Ivy Bridge's built-in Intel HD4000). (totally uninteresting except when using Handbrake or other encoders using Intel QSV)

Total performance improvement on average is about 3%.

Around 15 °C hotter than Ivy Bridge, while clock frequencies of over 4.6 GHz are achievable.


Intel Core i7-6700K ‘Skylake’ test results: 4–8% faster than Core i7-4790K.

Buying a new board, CPU (with the shitty TIM-bond from the Haswell-"disaster") and for the speed freaks new DDR4 RAM is to me a waste of time for an averade ~10-15% of performance increase while it's got spotty overclocking.

The Ivy i5 3570K/i7 3770K can easily reach 4.8-4.9 with good cooling (unless you're unlucky with a bum chip). The Haswell/Haswell-E is usually kept from beyond 4.4-4.5 by the increased temp and power demands (if you've got a good cooler and did something about the TIM-crap you'll go past 4.5).

The Skylake is, as most of us have already stated, a waste of money unless you're going for features since there's not much in the way of performance to find. USB3.1, DDR4 etc. may interest a few (not a lot USB3.1/DDR4 out there, esp. not for worthwhile prices). More PCIe-lanes (if I remember correctly) may be interesting for Tri-SLI/Tri-CF but if you have that kind of money you won't care about money anyway.

If you sit on a high-end Ivy/Haswell that overclocks well, stick with.

If you sit with a Lynnfield (first generation) (i5 750/760, i7 8xx/8xxK) it may be time to upgrade your system. You should be able to find some great deals (second hand) out there for really good board+cpu overclocking combos.

If you have a Sandy Bridge (Core i5 2500K/2550K, Core i7 2600K-3970X) it depends on how well it clocks and the board you have. If you're clocking the crap out of it and it works well then you won't see much real world improvement.


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 11:44    Post subject:
i don't know about 6700K, but i had 2500K at 4.5ghz and recent games like ACU, Watch Dogs and other titles that love multicore hyperthreaded CPUs ran like shit on my 2500K. i then upgraded to 5820K (gpu remained the same) and these games became silky smooth.
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 12:03    Post subject:
rgb#000 wrote:
i don't know about 6700K, but i had 2500K at 4.5ghz and recent games like ACU, Watch Dogs and other titles that love multicore hyperthreaded CPUs ran like shit on my 2500K. i then upgraded to 5820K (gpu remained the same) and these games became silky smooth.


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Deja vu anyone?


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 13:05    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 13:17    Post subject:
rgb#000 wrote:
i don't know about 6700K, but i had 2500K at 4.5ghz and recent games like ACU, Watch Dogs and other titles that love multicore hyperthreaded CPUs ran like shit on my 2500K. i then upgraded to 5820K (gpu remained the same) and these games became silky smooth.


Good for you, good for you...


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 14:03    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
rgb#000 wrote:
i don't know about 6700K, but i had 2500K at 4.5ghz and recent games like ACU, Watch Dogs and other titles that love multicore hyperthreaded CPUs ran like shit on my 2500K. i then upgraded to 5820K (gpu remained the same) and these games became silky smooth.


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Deja vu anyone?

what are you implying?
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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2015 03:14    Post subject:
I haven't followed all the tech info lately, but
from what I have seen , the gain from me switching from 3770 (non K tho) to 6700k seems marginal at best.
I'm guessing this isn't enthusiast grade skylake. Any info/rumor when they are planning on releasing that grade segment?
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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2015 04:02    Post subject:
This chip was already officially launched, correct? If so, where the hell can one buy it? None of the normal places I go to have it in stock, or even listed. The 6600 is there, the 6700k is a ghost.

What gives? How long before this starts to saturate the market? I've been holding off on an upgrade for a long time - need to finally retire this i7-930.


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2015 21:58    Post subject:
Based on those benchmarks moving from 3770(non-k, which obviously has lower performance than OC K version) to 6700k (and OC) does bring a significant performance improvement.
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2015 22:32    Post subject:
Now they should use a GTX 970 for "People who doesn't wants to waste 1000$? on a GPU" and we'll have a much better Casual comparison


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2015 23:27    Post subject:
zibztrollingme wrote:
Based on those benchmarks moving from 3770(non-k, which obviously has lower performance than OC K version) to 6700k (and OC) does bring a significant performance improvement.

Even if for that I would need to replace mobo?
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