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@invasor: old news, had that bug too and told you guys how to solve it on one of the last pages. and not related to newtys question
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2015 22:58 Post subject: |
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9 out of 10 people install them anyway when they are available even if install is set to manual. and the other one may even not read about an error or find anythign on google cause it only hits 1 out of 1000000 pcs
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Aug 2015 23:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 02:59 Post subject: |
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A good alternative to Media Center? I have a TV tuner in my HTPC. Would like the dvr features. Free is best of course.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 03:23 Post subject: |
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@edweird13
Kodi, Plex, Emby, MediaPortal and movian..
there are more, but these are the general ones i think..
greetz
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i dont know if true, but why shouldnt it..
i sadly dont have a source for that, yet. But i contacted teh poster. As soon as i get the source, ill post it here..
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tonizito
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 10:31 Post subject: |
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Even if it's true, couldn't you avoid most/all of that by simply not using a microcrap account?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 10:47 Post subject: |
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Those data numbers sound insane, i mean if someone has capped internet and ms sends over 100mb of data about every hour it doesn't take long to reach cap. And what happens if your upload speed sucks, you'll be uploading 24/7. This doesn't sound reasonable, it has to be fake, at least the size of it.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 10:55 Post subject: |
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| MisterBear wrote: | | Those data numbers sound insane, i mean if someone has capped internet and ms sends over 100mb of data about every hour it doesn't take long to reach cap. And what happens if your upload speed sucks, you'll be uploading 24/7. This doesn't sound reasonable, it has to be fake, at least the size of it. |
It does sound very unreasonable and exaggerated.
For people interested what is sending what to whom, use Sysinternals TCIPView, downloadable from the Sysinternal page on TechNet (yes, a tool that does not have any kind of "hide any MS-nonsense" in it):
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897437
...and while you're already there you might as well get Process Explorer which is a comprehensive Sysinternal-tool that lists all processes etc.
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653
In fact, check out their other tools and utils as well. Very good stuff.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 14:38 Post subject: |
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yep its very hard to go to the privacy settings and deactivate that stuff...
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 14:42 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | yep its very hard to go to the privacy settings and deactivate that stuff... |
Do you really believe it's that simple? You flip the switches in the settings and your privacy is safe?
I know I can be pretty paranoid sometimes, but this is just too naive...
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 14:50 Post subject: |
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nope it isnt, atleast in non enterprise versions. cause you cant deactivate it completely via the gui. you need two steps
first: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DataCollection"
add a dwort, name it "AllowTelemetry" and set its value to 0. thats an option only enterprise offers via the gui
second to be sure open the services and deactivate diagnostictrackingsomewhat (dunno whats the exact english name) and dmwappushsvc
a little additional note: after setting the data transfer via gui to simple you will see on many options pages some writings like "some options are organized via your company" or whatever. doesnt matter, just excludes you from the insider program
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 14:58 Post subject: |
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I know about that, I did it too, but when you see that they are even bypassing the hosts file... it just seems that these settings are only there to ease our minds, not to actually do something.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 15:17 Post subject: |
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Anyone concerned about privacy is probably best to avoid Win10 for now, at least until more thorough investigations are concluded with more insight what exactly each tweak actually does or if they indeed disable anything and everything.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 15:24 Post subject: |
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cmon, ms knows more about than you think. even if you only used 7 and not 8(.1) or 10 yet. deal with it or disconnect your internet forever from yourp c
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 15:28 Post subject: |
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Oh without a doubt they do. Point is to try to not let them spy even more thoroughly.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 15:29 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | cmon, ms knows more about than you think. even if you only used 7 and not 8(.1) or 10 yet. deal with it or disconnect your internet forever from yourp c |
Sorry but what a bullshit excuse. Please show how any of that might be true, what systems were in place in 7/8/8.1 that even make that statement accurate?
The telemetry crap was there before 10?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 15:33 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | Janz wrote: | | cmon, ms knows more about than you think. even if you only used 7 and not 8(.1) or 10 yet. deal with it or disconnect your internet forever from yourp c |
Sorry but what a bullshit excuse. Please show how any of that might be true, what systems were in place in 7/8/8.1 that even make that statement accurate?
The telemetry crap was there before 10? |
Yes, there was. But people that didn't click carelessly on "express" everything had it turned off... You can check it yourself if yours is enabled or not if you search for "CEIP" in start menu.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 15:33 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | cmon, ms knows more about than you think. even if you only used 7 and not 8(.1) or 10 yet. deal with it or disconnect your internet forever from yourp c |
I agree.
| tonizito wrote: | Sorry but what a bullshit excuse. Please show how any of that might be true, what systems were in place in 7/8/8.1 that even make that statement accurate?
The telemetry crap was there before 10? |
| tolanri wrote: | An interesting article that sheds light on telemetry in Win10, and more importantly in Win7 and 8.1.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2968288/microsoft-windows/windows-10-makes-diagnostic-data-collection-compulsory.html
Here's the interesting part:
| Quote: | In June, Microsoft also updated Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1) and the April 2014 Windows 8.1 Update -- the supported versions of those editions -- with the same diagnostics and telemetry service used in Windows 10. In the accompanying support document, Microsoft said that the new technology collected data only on systems owned by CEIP participants.
But CEIP usage is widespread in Windows 7 and 8.1: The program is enabled by default if the device owner had relied on the express settings configuration at first boot, a habit for most. Only by using the custom configuration settings were people able to deselect the data aggregation. However, users could switch off CEIP at any later time. |
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I really think most of it was already there at the very least since windows 7, maybe even before... it's just more obvious now, and clearly more elaborated/comprehensive.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 15:35 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | Janz wrote: | | cmon, ms knows more about than you think. even if you only used 7 and not 8(.1) or 10 yet. deal with it or disconnect your internet forever from yourp c |
Sorry but what a bullshit excuse. Please show how any of that might be true, what systems were in place in 7/8/8.1 that even make that statement accurate?
The telemetry crap was there before 10? |
Yes, there was. But people that didn't click carelessly on "express" everything had it turned off... You can check it yourself if yours is enabled or not if you search for "CEIP" in start menu. |
If there really was then why were they rolling out the telemetry updates for 7, 8 and 8.1 a few days back?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 15:36 Post subject: |
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they started the massive spying on users with windows xp, any other argument according this fact is invalid!
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 16:05 Post subject: |
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Progression© more like. Progress for progresses sake is a bullshit mentality that harms more than it innovates and improves, IMO.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 17:15 Post subject: |
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| 3E74 wrote: | @edweird13
Kodi, Plex, Emby, MediaPortal and movian..
there are more, but these are the general ones i think..
greetz
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i dont know if true, but why shouldnt it..
i sadly dont have a source for that, yet. But i contacted teh poster. As soon as i get the source, ill post it here.. |
ok, heres the source, for teh ones that are still interested..
--> http://aeronet.cz/news/analyza-windows-10-ve-svem-principu-jde-o-pouhy-terminal-na-sber-informaci-o-uzivateli-jeho-prstech-ocich-a-hlasu/
i think invasor allready posted it...oO...
Greetz
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and another good article..
| Quote: | Even when told not to, Windows 10 just can’t stop talking to Microsoft
It's no wonder that privacy activists are up in arms. |
| Quote: | Windows 10 uses the Internet a lot to support many of its features. The operating system also sports numerous knobs to twiddle that are supposed to disable most of these features and the potentially privacy-compromising connections that go with them.
Unfortunately for privacy advocates, these controls don't appear to be sufficient to completely prevent the operating system from going online and communicating with Microsoft's servers.
For example, even with Cortana and searching the Web from the Start menu disabled, opening Start and typing will send a request to www.bing.com to request a file called threshold.appcache which appears to contain some Cortana information, even though Cortana is disabled. The request for this file appears to contain a random machine ID that persists across reboots.
Enlarge / Shown in the Fiddler debugging Web proxy, the request that the Start menu makes every time you start typing into it or boot your machine.
Some of the traffic is obviously harmless. On connecting to a new network, Windows machines try to request two URLs (www.msftncsi.com/ncsi.txt and ipv6.msftncsi.com/ncsi.txt, the former over IPv4, the latter over IPv6) to ascertain whether a given network is routed to the Internet and if there is a captive portal in the way (NCSI stands for "Network Connection Status Indicator"). These requests are very bare, with no machine IDs or other data sent. If you want to turn even these off there is a way to do so, but the privacy impact is minimal.
Some of the traffic looks harmless but feels like it shouldn't be happening. For example, even with no Live tiles pinned to Start (and hence no obvious need to poll for new tile data), Windows 10 seems to download new tile info from MSN's network from time to time, using unencrypted HTTP to do so. While again the requests contain no identifying information, it's not clear why they're occurring at all, given that they have no corresponding tile.
Other traffic looks a little more troublesome. Windows 10 will periodically send data to a Microsoft server named ssw.live.com. This server seems to be used for OneDrive and some other Microsoft services. Windows 10 seems to transmit information to the server even when OneDrive is disabled and logins are using a local account that isn't connected to a Microsoft Account. The exact nature of the information being sent isn't clear—it appears to be referencing telemetry settings—and again, it's not clear why any data is being sent at all. We disabled telemetry on our test machine using group policies.
Enlarge / We have no idea what's going on here.
And finally, some traffic seems quite impenetrable. We configured our test virtual machine to use an HTTP and HTTPS proxy (both as a user-level proxy and a system-wide proxy) so that we could more easily monitor its traffic, but Windows 10 seems to make requests to a content delivery network that bypass the proxy.
We've asked Microsoft if there is any way to disable this additional communication or information about what its purpose is. We were told "As part of delivering Windows 10 as a service, updates may be delivered to provide ongoing new features to Bing search, such as new visual layouts, styles and search code. No query or search usage data is sent to Microsoft, in accordance with the customer's chosen privacy settings. This also applies to searching offline for items such as apps, files and settings on the device." This is consistent with what we saw (there is no query or search data transmitted), but also likely to run counter to most people's expectations; if Web searching and Cortana are disabled, we suspect that the inference that most people would make is that searching the Start menu wouldn't hit the Internet at all. But it does. The traffic could be innocuous, but the inclusion of a machine ID gives it a suspicious appearance.
We've argued recently that operating systems will continue to make privacy-functionality trade-offs. For many users, perhaps even the majority, these trade-offs will be worthwhile; services such as Cortana (Siri, Google Now), cloud syncing of files, passwords, and settings, and many other modern operating system features are all valuable, and many will feel that the loss of privacy is an acceptable price to pay. But the flip side of this is that disabling these services for those who don't want to use them should really disable them. And it's not at all clear that Windows 10 is doing that right now. |
links and pics on the main site..
---> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
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And a new antispy tool for win 10 and 8/8.1..
its german doh, but looks clean and no malware, haha
---> http://www.winprivacy.de/
greetz
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2015 17:45 Post subject: |
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"Hmmm I'll wait a bit until all this spying shit is clearer before I upgrade to 10"
"WINDOZE ALWAYS HAD THAT!1"
W10DF assemble!
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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