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DXWarlock
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Never backed anything on there myself. Think I've only visited it a few times on links to see what something was about that someone posted.
I dont have the faith to back something before its even started, or well underway.
Now I have pre-ordered games, which confuses me...
I hear people damning me for pre-ordering a game that looks good, saying its ruining gaming and encouraging sloppy development and paying for promises.
While at the same time these people damn me for not backing a game on kickstarter that looks good, as its encourages development, and gives hope to the promises...
So using the word "pre-order" is bad and ruining gaming, doing the same exact thing and using the word "backing" and its saving gaming? 
Not being condescending or directing it at anyone here, but more as general a question as I hear the above universally on the net:
How is backing good, but pre-order bad? they are the same thing to me. Your giving money for a game you cant get, in hopes it is good, or even comes out at all. At least pre-order a big game I know it will at least come out.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2015 18:46 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | So using the word "pre-order" is bad and ruining gaming, doing the same exact thing and using the word "backing" and its saving gaming?
How is backing good, but pre-order bad? they are the same thing to me. Your giving money for a game you cant get, in hopes it is good, or even comes out at all. At least pre-order a big game I know it will at least come out. |
Preordering: paying a multi-billion dollar company, that doesn't give a rat's ass about you, upfront for a game that won't be tailored to your platform, will - despite the multi-million dollar budget - still ship poor running, poor looking, bugs up the ass, with large swaths of content arbitrarily ripped out so they can re-sell it to you months later and caring purely of profit and not gamers, taking no risks with new and original games, putting out yearly rehashes of the same brown military shooter all while getting increasingly more expensive for less and less content.
Backing: Helping to fund creation of a game from a company that cares about its fans, listens extensively to feedback - and indeed development of the game in question often alters radically over time due to said feedback - is tailored specifically to PC (most of the time  ) and offers substantial content for a vastly reduced price, while you encourage other developers to take chances by creating games WE want, rather than what publishers think is safe.
"Publishers" don't see enough profit to bankroll favourite series like Shadowrun, Mega Man, Syndicate, Fallout, Elite/Freelancer/Wing Commander or Castlevania, so they've been abandoned or re-purposed into dumbed down military shooters or God of War clones. Developers want to make them, fans want to play them, so the only option is crowdfunding. When you preorder games, you send a message to the publishers that it's okay for them to keep shovelling out crapware, to rip parts out for DLC and sell it back to your later, to continue treating the PC platform like dirt with cheap ports and restrictions. That's why there's this pushback against preordering now, throwing money at the richest people in the world so they can continue grinding gaming under their heels whilst getting ever-richer .... versus bankrolling upcoming, and existing favourite, developers who want to make the games we all clamour for? I'd say it's a no brainer
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2015 18:56 Post subject: |
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In theory yes, but in practice they seem about on par with each other on delivered promises, excuses, cover ups, back tracking, and "Its done as we can get it, take what we got so far and be happy".
Only difference is one is driven by profit, while the other over optimism.
I still cant see the difference between a gaming company over stretching expectation because of enthusiasm to sell and saying "BEST GAME EVER!" and its not, and an Indy dev going "BEST GAME EVER" because of over enthusiasm and its not.
The few games I did seem interested in on kickstarter all turned out to be not finished at all, crap no where near what was said, or just delayed until I didn't care to follow it anymore. So to me, a big gaming company letting me down, or some dude in his basement letting me down is no different to me 
And not denying a lot of them are wanting to make games the others stopped making. It's more how many actually do make something worthy of what they was aiming for. Im not paying them for their heated passion to do it, Im paying them for the product they make 
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2015 18:58 Post subject: |
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I'll take games delivered by those that are over optimistic, than those that see me as a chequebook any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2015 19:03 Post subject: |
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See Ill take games I enjoy over either.
I dont care if Hitler and Stalin got together and made a game they see as only a money machine directly out of my pocket to fund their wild sex parties with underage horses and llamas, If I get 60+ hours out of it let them gang bang the animals in train formation if they like with the money. 
Vs hopes and encouraging words to some wide eyed dev with dreams of grandeur that if it was a gamble bet on if it comes out, and if it does if its good, that no one would take that bet.
I'd be all for it if there was some stability and reliability to the outcomes. Right now your just gambling on the hopes of what you want comes out, with the option of they are the only ones offering it with no experience to do it, other than lone enthusiasm to.
I guess Im just too much a pessimist. I just cant give money to the "I got a keyboard and a dream" type funding. I want you to have a keyboard, a dream, and some tangible past evidence of such tasks to back your request for my money.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2015 20:02 Post subject: |
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What if Kickstarter let you profit from a game's success? Fig found a way, launches today
| Quote: | Justin Bailey, formerly of developer Double Fine, is launching a new crowdfunding solution for game developers. Called Fig, the service will offer rewards-based funding alongside equity investment. Fig's advisory board will include Feargus Urquhart, Brian Fargo and Tim Schafer.
Fig's first campaign, which was sent live moments ago, is for the 2015 Independent Games Festival (IGF) Awards' Seamus McNally Grand Prize winning Outer Wilds, now in production by Mobius Digital, the independent studio founded by Masi Oka, known to fans of NBC's Heroes and Heroes Reborn as Hiro Nakumura.
Polygon sat down with the entire Fig team, as well as Oka, to find out more about this new Kickstarter competitor, one that's been custom-built to fund video games. |
https://www.polygon.com/2015/8/18/9169697/fig-kickstarter-equity-investment-games-outer-wilds-masi-oka
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2015 20:17 Post subject: |
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Funding Tim, yeah thx but no thx. No more Tim, no more. Too much bullshit has been sayd and done by you.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2015 20:36 Post subject: |
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| MisterBear wrote: | | Funding Tim, yeah thx but no thx. No more Tim, no more. Too much bullshit has been sayd and done by you. |
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He went from being a hero to an outcast in a few years time, talk about screwing up ...
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2015 20:40 Post subject: |
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Who's the next entry to that board? Inafune?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2015 15:14 Post subject: |
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Seriously what a lame excuse for not having dealt with that part... Hire some temp/those scammy free intern things or have your spouse help you out... it's mailing shit, not rocket science. 
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2015 16:12 Post subject: |
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I love how devs know about the exact problems better than anyone, then they release and go: "Oops, it seems there are optimization problems on some PC configurations, time to focus on that"
You knew it ran like shit during all this time in early access. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. Everyone that played it, even on super-rigs, like Totalbiscuit mentioned that it runs like shit. Even on random YT videos I can tell it lags.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2015 16:51 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2015 22:52 Post subject: |
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They are fucking over the people that paid them the most money?
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ixigia
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2015 22:57 Post subject: |
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Oh snap, those guys really are something. That's simply unacceptable 
I will also never understand why they had to spend years trying to build (and rebuild) that in-house engine that clearly showed no signs of digital life to begin with, a lost cause that couldn't be polished in any way. It was evident that it was a stillbirth, but they were too stubborn to realize that and admit the mistake. Very silly and utterly incompetent behavior, a KS trademark xD
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Aug 2015 03:39 Post subject: |
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Have only ever backed 2 projects via KS, them being Star Citizen and ED. Given my experience with both i will not make the same mistake again.
While i have pumped many hours into ED and continue to do so the recent massive graphical downgrade to cater for kids with controllers has my blood boiling. They use PC gamers to help fund the project only to piss on them from a great height when those console dollars are within reach.
When KS initially began i had hoped a certain level of integrity would return to the industry with it. Given my experience with it and reading about other KS projects on offer this for the most part is not the case.
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TSR69
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2015 01:40 Post subject: |
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Some of you have been quite unlucky.
The Kickstarter experience so far:
I backed some, but only one through Kickstarter. the rest through Paypal while the kickstarter was running.
Star Citizen: drama and in meanwhile I asked for refund
Pillars of Eternity: I don't like it
Torment: Tides of Numera: I will probably not like it (the only one I backed via KS)
Sui Generis: I am waiting
Bard's Tale IV: I am pretty sure I will also not like this one
Can't remember more, quite limited list.
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Morphineus
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Hehe
You don't like RPG's or?
Genuine question, since a bunch of them are 'oldschool' ones and you don't seem to like any of them.
So far for me it's still been Star Citizen and a new addition: D:OS II.
SC, not much faith in it... but no refund for me. I've only put 30$ dollars into it and I might as well see what I'll get in the end.
D:OS II, I pretty much backed this because I didn't back the first one.
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TSR69
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2015 04:33 Post subject: |
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@Morphineus : No RPG-games is the main genre I like.
I love RPGs but there is a reason I don't like certain things.
I can only comment on Pillars of Eternity and why I don't like it. The rest is not out yet.
This may become a long story... And when it doesn't I will probably remove this comment.
I haven't finished the game, got fed up somewhere in the middle or even earlier.
I created a char, I end up in a camp with some others, I get a task to find some stuff.
I find myself in a party with an egoistic woman. We do some stuff, go back to camp and..
Shit happens, we flee in cave and I get a 2nd party member
Some stuff happens in cave and when I exit the cave (the other end), I may have 1 or 2 party members left that will die because some stuff happens so I become special. The female party member is egoistic and the male party member is weak and they both die.
From here on you can venture on alone. Dwell into a cave with a bear that will kill you. Fun times! You will get your bearings eventually and head for the nearest city. You can get 2 party members there. I can only recall one of their names since I looked at a NPC-list recently.
What did I do next? I think I went to a castle with some crazy baron or whatever title. Had to murder all of his guards and servants and than I found myself in a battle with him. Ehh he lost.
So what was up next? Exploring some maps. Getting attacked by some nasty stuff,. and soon enough you will find yourself near a very old castle. A castle that has seen better days. This one can become your stronghold, wow. You've gotta love the dungeons down below as well, all 15 of them, or something.
Now in a resumé:
- I did not like the story
- I did not like the characters
- I did not like the combat system
Let's talk about Durance (I remember his name because I looked at a list recently), he is more interesting because of his awkwardness. He is a very unlikable character. If I ever will do a 2nd run/roll, no way he will be in my party.
I got a digital download, otherwise I would have burned the DVD in Magran's fire.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2015 14:35 Post subject: |
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Aye, I got to admit, it felt a bit underwhelming how everything starts. Think they could have done a better job on how the story unravels.
I do see that trend with most games starting rather weak, think it has to do with them trying their best to get more people into the genre.
But it's nice to read what others dislike about it, usually you only hear about the good things and that is it.
Thanks for sharing, makes more sense to me now.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2015 16:18 Post subject: |
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Sui Generis lmao ....... are you slow in the brain? Why would someone back that barebones gimmicky game?
This is why Kickstarter has become Scamstarter.
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TSR69
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2015 22:34 Post subject: |
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I would like them to succeed VGA, 20 GBP is not that much and I am pretty sure they will deliver.
It may just take them another 2 years or so.
Back then they had some stuff to show and it wasn't just some vapor screenshots.
And iirc 4 to 5 devs with a daytime job, we will see...
I went through this thread again and 1 thing about kickstarter was never mentioned, the cut they take:
https://www.kickstarter.com/help/fees
Too high imo, shouldn't an organisation like that be nonprofit?
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Considering how terrible Carmageddon Reincarnation looks, it has the single worst performance of any game I've ever seen. That "optimisation" is simply nonexistent.
not only the game is shit, but they also didn't fulfill all the sales? WTF.
