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Just because F3 had skills doesn't mean it was deep. That skill system was actually retarded and useless, I'm happy that they are focusing on acquiring perks instead. Those actually give you abilities.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Sep 2015 19:28 Post subject: |
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| m3th0d2008 wrote: | | And yet, it's propably the most "immersive" implementation of an UI possible. |
Yes, I agree. At least they get one part right - compared to Skyrim fail UI which tries to create sleek interface with clean fonts (totally not fitting fantasy genre) and yet it was terrible to use without mods.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Sep 2015 19:29 Post subject: |
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| m3th0d2008 wrote: | | And yet, I enjoyed being denied access to several things because my stats didn't match. Gave me another goal to achieve for later on. |
So how is that different from now? You're still going to be denied access to things based on your stats, only now it won't be as expansively and point-sinking as "LP 42 vs LP 43" etc. Now it would be (I'm guessing, since we don't know everything yet) "LP Rank 3" vs "LP Rank 5"
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Sep 2015 19:31 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | Just because F3 had skills doesn't mean it was deep. That skill system was actually retarded and useless, I'm happy that they are focusing on acquiring perks instead. Those actually give you abilities. |
I don't think anyone used the word "deep" and stated the Bethesda Fallouts being as such 
| sabin1981 wrote: | | m3th0d2008 wrote: | | And yet, I enjoyed being denied access to several things because my stats didn't match. Gave me another goal to achieve for later on. |
So how is that different from now? You're still going to be denied access to things based on your stats, only now it won't be as expansively and point-sinking as "LP 42 vs LP 43" etc. Now it would be (I'm guessing, since we don't know everything yet) "LP Rank 3" vs "LP Rank 5" |
Like I said, it's superficial but it's how I prefer it. Having a level-up in Beth's Fallouts were always more enjoyable to me than having one in Skyrim. It's hard to explain for me, I guess the language barrier plays into that too
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Sep 2015 19:51 Post subject: |
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Looks quality. Hope there's plenty of residential areas like that to snoop around too.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Sep 2015 20:00 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Sep 2015 20:30 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Sep 2015 20:54 Post subject: |
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Looked nice what they showed, will see if the skill system will satisfy me. But... at first sight it looks enjoyable enough while still having a sense of choice and customization.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2015 00:41 Post subject: |
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I definitely prefer this over Skyrim. I don't like having to do related activities in order to level that specific skill. Didn't like it in TES, absolutely hated it in GTAV online. Just give me generic exp, and I'll spend it where I want to, thanks. I also liked what Fable 1 did, if I actually use what my character is good at, I get related experience that is more efficient than generic xp when spent on associated skills.
As for the perks, let's hope it is more interesting than +5% damage for rifles. At least Bloody Mess gives extra gore so that kind of justifies it.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2015 01:29 Post subject: |
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http://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/fallout-4s-character-system/2015/09/24/31
They finally detailed the levelling system and how it works. There's a LOT of information here.
| Quote: | The Fallout series makes this even better through the use of the seven SPECIAL stats and its Perks. We made it a goal of ours to have the choice of your SPECIALs be as meaningful as possible, and be the guide for how you built your character through the course of the game.
The first choice you make, early in the game, is the starting value from 1 to 10 of your 7 SPECIALs: Strength, Perception, Endurance, Charisma, Intelligence, Agility, and Luck. Each week we’re releasing videos that give you a look at what those skills do in the game (from Vault-Tec, of course). Fallout 4 – S.P.E.C.I.A.L. Video Series.
When selecting your starting SPECIALs, you can assign 28 points. This makes it difficult to initially max out certain SPECIALs, but you can still start with a 10 if you choose to neglect others. Even though you pick your SPECIALS early before the bombs fall, we do let you change them when exiting the Vault into the Wasteland, after you’ve played for a little.
Levelling is experience point (XP) based like Fallout 3, not skill-based like Skyrim. But levelling speed is closer to Skyrim, and not as slow as Fallout 3. This means you’ll be getting more opportunities, especially early on, to level up and select a Perk. Additionally, whereas Fallout 3 had an initial level cap of 20, Fallout 4 has no level cap, and we’ve balanced the game to keep the content and challenge going for higher levels.
When you level up, you select a Perk, from a Perk chart within the game.
As you can see, each SPECIAL has a Perk assigned for each rank of the SPECIAL, from 1 to 10. You can select any Perk up to the rank of your SPECIAL. If you have a 10 in Charisma, you can select the Intimidation Perk that lets you manipulate human enemies into doing your bidding.
It was our goal that all the Perks be balanced amongst each other, regardless of if they required a 1 or a 10. The higher the SPECIAL requirement, the more focused or exotic the Perk was for that playstyle. Take for example the Agility 1 Perk Gunslinger (20% more damage with pistols), and the Agility 10 Perk Gun Fu (your 2nd target in V.A.T.S. takes 25% more damage regardless of weapon).
What’s important is that each of these Perks is actually a mini Perk tree*, with multiple ranks that also do new things. Gun Fu above allows even more damage the more targets you select, increasing to instant Critical Shots. Gunslinger has ranks that up the range of pistols, add a chance to disarm enemies, and even instant limb crippling shots.
These additional ranks do require your character to be a higher level. This allows us to make some powerful Perk ranks that reward your investment in a certain SPECIAL as well as that individual Perk. It also allows us to fold Perks we liked from previous games into Perk ranks in this new system. For example, the Fallout 3 perk Paralyzing Palm (paralyze enemies through hand-to-hand), now becomes the Rank 5 Perk for Iron Fist. But you need to have chosen the previous 4 ranks of Iron Fist and be level 46. We also pushed old Perks to do new things at higher ranks. Strong Back doesn’t just up the amount you can carry; higher ranks of it allow you to fast-travel while encumbered or even run while encumbered at the cost of Action Points.
With each SPECIAL having 10 Perks, there are 70 base Perks. With Perk ranks, it increases that number to over 270. That number also includes a top-level Training perk for each SPECIAL, so that you can essentially skip a regular Perk and raise a SPECIAL by 1. This gives you the benefit of the new SPECIAL value, and allows access to higher Perks in future levels.
It may all sound complicated at first, and when you initially level up, the chart can be a little intimidating because you have so many options. But it’s incredibly elegant, and has allowed us to reward both investing early in a playstyle, as well as growing your character over the course of the game.
If you’re a longtime Fallout fan, you’ll notice that the Skills seen in previous games have been folded into this system. The previous Skill system had some confusing parts and ended up spreading your choices too thin. Some of you had questions like: “What’s better, the Charisma SPECIAL, or the Speech Skill? Why are assault rifles in Small Guns?” Additionally many Perks simply raised associated Skills. The Gun Nut Perk in Fallout 3 increased two separate Skills. In Fallout 4, the ranks of Gun Nut act as gates for modifying and crafting weapons. Sneak was a skill in Fallout 3, and you simply increased its value. In Fallout 4 Sneak becomes a Perk that not only makes you harder to detect, but wraps in previous perks like Silent Running and Light Step into its ranks. By wrapping these systems together, it keeps the emphasis on your SPECIALs and the level-up choices more rewarding.
And on top of all that, you also get separate Perks from the many in-game magazines you can find (there are over 100). Some of these grant an individual Perk, while others up the rank of a Perk associated with that magazine. For example, there’s a 10-issue run of Grognak the Barbarian comics that each give you an additional rank of the Barbarian Perk, which raises the critical damage of melee attacks.
Through the many years of Fallout 4 development, and the countless hours of playtesting, we think you’re going to love this system in action. We experimented with other systems, but found this one to be the most flexible and intuitive. Balancing all of the ranks, their individual efficacy, SPECIAL rank, and player level has been a huge task. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do, and share your character choices and playstyles with us once the game is out. We can’t wait for you to play.
Bethesda Game Studios
PS - One more thing – we really love the idea of putting the Perk poster on our own wall, and think you will too. So every physical pre-order copy of Fallout 4 will come with one! |
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2015 01:33 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2015 07:31 Post subject: |
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I can't say that I am a fan of gating all perks behind player stats. Although I assume if there's no level cap, you're just going to end up with 10s in everything anyway if you play long enough.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2015 07:41 Post subject: |
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We'll see, I'm still not 100% sold on that. No level cap is good, but the bit in which you will level up even FASTER than in FO3... 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2015 11:15 Post subject: |
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"What sorcery this?"
Would love to read those comics in game.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2015 00:13 Post subject: |
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Nice job calling it. Method2008. |
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2015 08:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2015 09:04 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | | If that is the case, ABOOOOO! ABOOOOOOOO! ABOOOOOOOOOOOO! Cryogenic sleep is so lame. I was hoping the player was a replicant or something. |
You're told that you awoke from cryogenic sleep. I still expect the "you are actually an android implanted with the memories from some guy that died 200 years ago" dramatic twist half way through.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2015 15:45 Post subject: |
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No, thats how it looked yesterday. So they have changed it.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2015 19:04 Post subject: |
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| m3th0d2008 wrote: | | Since you will emerge from a cryotube... |
Perhaps that is the plot twist. You never actually emerged. It was all a dream.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2015 20:06 Post subject: |
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| DCB wrote: | | m3th0d2008 wrote: | | Since you will emerge from a cryotube... |
Perhaps that is the plot twist. You never actually emerged. It was all a dream. |
Just like Fallout 3 then! I dreamed that there was this thing called Fallout 3 and nothing made sense in it and it was full of plotholes, it had the most badly written characters I'd ever encountered in a game.
Then I woke up and I got Van Buren a tactical post apocalyptical roleplaying game. Or was that the dream? we have to go deeper. |
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2015 20:11 Post subject: |
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So, anyone found a place to buy this for less than ~27€? (rus GMG)
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I love a good expansive progression system too, really! I'm not discounting skills or anything, I just like how this looks so far without having tried it. Who knows? I may try it on launch and think it's stifling and less enjoyable than I thought 
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