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| EternalBlueScreen wrote: | The character creation still feels very lackluster.
None of the faces, clothes or anything they let us choose looks good. They try to be funny, I get it, but it really isn't funny. It is very poor. I was hoping for improvement based on feedback. Characters mean a lot obviously to a party based RPG. Its easier to care about characters you created if they don't look like stinky doodoo. |
Not only lacklustre, but bugged too. It's missing several customisation items as well as locking certain others to female only, not to mention you can no longer export your character either.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 01:54 Post subject: |
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One broken shit show after another. Even the 360 controller support is fucked - the selected character simply skips animations while walking, but it's fine with kb/m. Some say it's working, though - no idea what the hell is going on. Just wanted to test it out, to see how and if it all works. Can't even imagine playing this type of game with a controller, that's for sure... When did gaming become so stressful?
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 02:07 Post subject: |
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Here's one example of the graphics not being worse, but detail being completely gone (I mentioned this a few hours ago but took a screen this time).
Old version - chalk drawings on the ramp where kids were playing. Gives the place more of a lived in feeling:
http://i.imgur.com/FYnPadz.jpg
New version - chalk drawings completely absent. Why? What's the point of removing them?
http://i.imgur.com/WO1A7Zv.jpg
The lighting in the second pic looks way better though IMO, and doesn't have all those SSAO artifacts.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 02:22 Post subject: |
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@randir14
| Quote: | | but detail being completely gone |
consoles can't handle unity details at 30 fps. 
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 04:56 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Sear, the dev, replied to my comparison post stating that the angles are identical .. it's just the "terrain angles" that have changed. When I pointed out that the models are indicative of the altered camera angle, he deleted his post. |
Lol, yeah that is "sea" from the RPG Codex, aka Eric Schwarz, former writer at GameBanshee who got a shitkicker job at inXile during the beta phase. I had a few run-ins with him years ago on the Bioware forums, back in the prime DA Origins modding days. The guy is kind of a cunt.
| randir14 wrote: | | chalk drawings completely absent. Why? What's the point of removing them? |
All the textures had to be redone for PBR, and it's likely the base timber planks texture is used elsewhere. They probably just forgot to add in the chalk drawing for that particular instance (either directly or as a decal).
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 07:44 Post subject: |
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| Claptonvaughn wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | @ixigia
Also these two images here and here showcase the difference in visuals. Seems like DC has actually been toned down a lot... a substantial amount of clutter has been removed and the terrain altered. It looks clean but also slightly more stale for it. |
What the hell? That's a DOWNgrade.
I'm so glad I played the original PC release. |
It's not a downgrade, it's a retexture - all the clutter is still there (they even added some extra like the burning barrels). If you step back a few feet from your screen, I can see why they changed it - the original was too splodgy - I actually prefer the new one better - it has a more atmospheric look to it and Wasteland 2 was missing that.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 07:48 Post subject: |
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| DCB wrote: |
| randir14 wrote: | | chalk drawings completely absent. Why? What's the point of removing them? |
All the textures had to be redone for PBR, and it's likely the base timber planks texture is used elsewhere. They probably just forgot to add in the chalk drawing for that particular instance (either directly or as a decal). |
I think it's more because the original had a chalk-like substance around it in the circle. When they replaced it with steel plating, it made less sense for the chalk marks to remain. I mean, surely the kids might draw on the steel as well so immaculate steel next to wooden planks that got drawn on might look odd.
Personally, I think the improved looks feel more professional. The original game felt flaky in many areas - the above-linked screenshot of the highway included.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 08:15 Post subject: |
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Looks like the dome was originally intended to be concrete to me. I prefer the look of the steel dome, but I'm not sure the chalk drawings are related either way.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 09:05 Post subject: |
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Yeah it was just some stock texture they slapped on there. There was a lot of that sort of thing in the original, extremely variable quality even within a single level/area. Not surprising really given that they outsourced a lot of asset production to amateurs/modders.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 09:36 Post subject: |
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Last edited by Interinactive on Tue, 5th Oct 2021 00:28; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 09:40 Post subject: |
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The original is very playable now, it just has some late game balance issues.
I'm really enjoying some of the harder combat in DC, the new perk/quirk system adds some extra substance to character development as well.
Aimed shots/perks etc should have been in the base game from the start.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 10:14 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 11:30 Post subject: |
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Last edited by Interinactive on Tue, 5th Oct 2021 00:28; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 11:50 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | I recall being happy when I played the original Wasteland II (with a better (though still annoying) camera) for 96hrs. |
Personally, I can live with the worse camera for the improved combat and character development.
I hated the camera in the original and kind of got used to it being terrible, I guess it has given me enough tolerance for DC. |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 13:13 Post subject: |
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| Steelone wrote: | | Interinactive wrote: | | I recall being happy when I played the original Wasteland II (with a better (though still annoying) camera) for 96hrs. |
Personally, I can live with the worse camera for the improved combat and character development.
I hated the camera in the original and kind of got used to it being terrible, I guess it has given me enough tolerance for DC. |
This is my feeling too.
The camera hotfix has improved it a bit, and I'm enjoying the new aspects of the DC.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 13:23 Post subject: |
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I can't wait for the enhanced edition of original sin!
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 13:42 Post subject: |
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There was another 100 mb patch this morning. Were they fixing the camera again?
-=the wandering pillow stuffer=-
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 14:00 Post subject: |
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no, was some content from the old game brought in the DC
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 14:01 Post subject: |
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I just opened Steam to be greeted with a 420MB update, so I gather they are patching a couple of issues besides the camera. There is a bug with custom portraits not showing up properly and a few other things, so they might be addressing those, although I don't see any official patch notes as yet beyond the notice of yesterday's camera hotfix.
Edit: Ah, as per lolozaur's suggestion, seems like it might be some of the backer reward stuff, novellas and so forth.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 14:02 Post subject: |
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I played a bit and the camera is bad even on the TV and 3m away from screen.
The new UI though is nice and the controller (yeah I know...) based UI is very good. I like the new features and improvements so far.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 14:11 Post subject: |
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Picked up a different sniper rifle than the one I started the game with. It looked different in the inventory, but when I equipped it, it looked identical to the starter rifle. What's the point of 3d visualisation of a game when stuff doesn't get properly represented in the game. Just a minor change would have been pleasing to see between two different looking items. Very boring. A big part of the game is picking up items. /quit game
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 14:15 Post subject: |
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| EternalBlueScreen wrote: | | Picked up a different sniper rifle than the one I started the game with. It looked different in the inventory, but when I equipped it, it looked identical to the starter rifle. What's the point of 3d visualisation of a game when stuff doesn't get properly represented in the game. Just a minor change would have been pleasing to see between two different looking items. Very boring. A big part of the game is picking up items. /quit game |
Most weapons do have different models. Are you sure it wasn't a bug? |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 14:24 Post subject: |
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I can't be sure it wasn't a bug, but that's what happened to me regardless.
Full disclosure, I played 70 hours of this when it first came out (on hard, did not complete the game), but I can't remember how this rifle looked back then. I do remember the inventory illustration, but not whether the newbie rifle looked identical like it did in my game now. It was a considerably better rifle in terms of damage output, so I automatically assumed it'd show up differently when carried by a character. Ah well.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2015 15:14 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | Guess I'll never play this edition then. |
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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