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Morphineus
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 11:30 Post subject: |
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How was setting up the buttons?
Wondering since in most games it's a pain and it takes a an hour or two to get everything just the way I want it. For some reason that holds me back even though I spend more time modding some games. 
I haven't played this so I'm not that helpful... but what I heard mostly from others who have: Treat it like European Truck Simulator. Not much depth in the game and everything has the potential to be boring if you expect a lot from it.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 11:34 Post subject: |
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 11:59 Post subject: |
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The game still lacks a lot of depth, but I have noticed the underlying storyline being built up around 'Unknown Artifacts' which are currently causing station shutdowns across the populated section of the galaxy - it seems to be building up towards a new 'thing', possibly linked to Thargoids, but nothing has been confirmed by anyone.
There is a lot more effort into making a game with a story now, the Galnet news updates give a lot of ongoing interative story, limited mainly to fetching stuff for a station or power. Even someone as grumpy and cynical as myself, is starting to see glimmers of depth now - I've started playing it for a short time, and while the 'MMO' side of things is non-existent, the feeling of being part of something bigger is starting to show tantalizing signs of actually happening. I think it just remains to be seen if effort is continued to be put into this.
When it comes to the ships, you need to understand the links between the ship systems to make the most of of it - power distribution is limited to the class of the distributor, and of course the power core, which needs to be the highest you can afford without being too heavy for the ship, as all systems, including weapons and shields are heavily dependent on it. It's quite the balancing act, similar to Eve's power system, but IMO easier to understand and work with.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 12:08 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | I finally got around to playing this. I did all the training missions with my new joystick setup, it was quite fun.
The only thing is, none of those things really seem like they could be fun for very long. What does most of the main game contain - if not a narrative or interesting missions - as the last page would suggest? |
The game is about fighting other ships (often AI) and assuming you are picking the most efficient way of making money, you will be just trading cargo from point to point.
The only real fun from the game comes from running into players and either fighting them or running. The problem is this is often rare and difficult to make happen on purpose.
The only positive thing the game has over anything else is right now it has the best combat and best atmosphere but that might not last long with Star Citizen and others around.
| mtj wrote: | | And as long as it is fully p2p (peer to peer) controlled, I think I wont even try. (private groups are nice though, it's quite nice to do conflict zones with friends when everyone has some shitty cobras or such) |
To explain this... he means that literally anyone could be hacking you would never know. They can be running double shield hacks and there is nothing anyone can do about it since your computer has no option but to trust the other players computer since the game lacks a dedicated server for anything besides AI and the mission/menu interface.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 12:12 Post subject: |
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| bart5986 wrote: | | Interinactive wrote: | I finally got around to playing this. I did all the training missions with my new joystick setup, it was quite fun.
The only thing is, none of those things really seem like they could be fun for very long. What does most of the main game contain - if not a narrative or interesting missions - as the last page would suggest? |
The game is about fighting other ships (often AI) and assuming you are picking the most efficient way of making money, you will be just trading cargo from point to point.
The only real fun from the game comes from running into players and either fighting them or running. The problem is this is often rare and difficult to make happen on purpose.
| mtj wrote: | | And as long as it is fully p2p (peer to peer) controlled, I think I wont even try. (private groups are nice though, it's quite nice to do conflict zones with friends when everyone has some shitty cobras or such) |
To explain this... he means that literally anyone could be hacking you would never know. They can be running double shield hacks and there is nothing anyone can do about it since your computer has no option but to trust the other players computer since the game lacks a dedicated server for anything besides AI and the mission/menu interface. |
Only rare if you don't go to locations where people are doing role play and holding systems just for themselves. Or trying to at least. The fuckers CODE for example. |
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mtj
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 12:18 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | | bart5986 wrote: | | Interinactive wrote: | I finally got around to playing this. I did all the training missions with my new joystick setup, it was quite fun.
The only thing is, none of those things really seem like they could be fun for very long. What does most of the main game contain - if not a narrative or interesting missions - as the last page would suggest? |
The game is about fighting other ships (often AI) and assuming you are picking the most efficient way of making money, you will be just trading cargo from point to point.
The only real fun from the game comes from running into players and either fighting them or running. The problem is this is often rare and difficult to make happen on purpose.
| mtj wrote: | | And as long as it is fully p2p (peer to peer) controlled, I think I wont even try. (private groups are nice though, it's quite nice to do conflict zones with friends when everyone has some shitty cobras or such) |
To explain this... he means that literally anyone could be hacking you would never know. They can be running double shield hacks and there is nothing anyone can do about it since your computer has no option but to trust the other players computer since the game lacks a dedicated server for anything besides AI and the mission/menu interface. |
Only rare if you don't go to locations where people are doing role play and holding systems just for themselves. Or trying to at least. The fuckers CODE for example. |
yea the cheaters are not that common.
a friend of mine plays only in the open and he's faced cheater maybe twice. (he's pretty active player)
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 12:20 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | | Only rare if you don't go to locations where people are doing role play and holding systems just for themselves. Or trying to at least. The fuckers CODE for example. |
I played 5 months ago and this wasn't really the case.
I would purposely go to locations that people mentioned had plenty of players and would either only find newbie ships or I would occasionally find a full wing of high end ships which I would just run away from.
I played the game for 70 hours and never died, something is wrong there.
If you are now telling me there are places full of PVP players that might entice me to come back.
The only problem is do you actually get anything for it now? 5 months ago you would generally get nothing.. You could waste hours and have nothing to show for it and you would just feel like going back to trading goods from point to point.
| mtj wrote: | yea the cheaters are not that common.
a friend of mine plays only in the open and he's faced cheater maybe twice. (he's pretty active player) |
I agree that I only ran into one blatant cheater when I played... but I do know someone who cheated.
He just used cheats that you would never notice, such as the shield recharging faster and being bigger then normal. You would never know he was cheating so its difficult to say cheaters are not common.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 12:33 Post subject: |
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You don't really get anything from it unfortunately the only thing you would get is if you are big on role play and don't mind the reward being all in the mind. This of course can be fine but you have to have a bigger group of people to do this with for any worth.
I guess though if you grab how I would a mate or two and just go harrass those code trolls to try limit their account balance, that could be entertaining enough. Being looked for in the system in itself can be fun while trying to catch a enemy straggler.
Regarding blatant cheating, it happens you can do it with ease with a simple loader and script running from cheat engine.  just report them they get dealt with soon enough.
What you wont stop is people using it in solo mode to earn credits to support their nefarious activities.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 14:43 Post subject: |
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| vaifan1986 wrote: | Depends. This is a game where you have to craft your own story because the game itself has none. Some people enjoy roaming around doing missions and exploring. If you're that person, buy it. If you have an Occulus Rift buy it NOW.
But ten bucks, more than worth it, even if it immediately goes into your backlog. |
The Oculus Rift recommendation is only true if you have a HOTAS I suppose.
I have played it on the Rift myself and it looks and feels glorious. But since I have no HOTAS, finding the right keys on my keyboard for mostly simple tasks is quite annoying. Maybe I should have invested more time into mapping the keys, but imo a HOTAS is the way to go if you are using the Rift.
Otherwise the game plays perfectly fine with mouse/keyboard, if it werent so fucking boring.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 19:00 Post subject: |
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I don't know if this is very recent, but I've never noticed it previously.
The game is defaulted now to the 'SteamVR' category. This is interesting because until not that long ago, the game was Oculus Rift 'ready', but now isn't, apparently due to the API changing. As mentioned previously in the thread, it can still be done with workarounds, but the fact it is now classed as SteamVR, sounds suspiciously like a deal between Frontier and Valve...
Is this the first proper example of VR exclusivity?
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 20:30 Post subject: |
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Last Steam client update mentioned something about Oculus triggering SteamVR mode when detected and on.
Maybe this is related also.
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| Quote: | VR Mode
Switched the Steam UI to use the VR dashboard on Windows for Oculus devices. |
So maybe they will make Oculus ready = Steam VR ready
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 22:11 Post subject: |
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| Silent_Lurker wrote: | Last Steam client update mentioned something about Oculus triggering SteamVR mode when detected and on.
Maybe this is related also.
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| Quote: | VR Mode
Switched the Steam UI to use the VR dashboard on Windows for Oculus devices. |
So maybe they will make Oculus ready = Steam VR ready |
Hmm interesting, that's very accommodating. Still, nothing surprises me any more.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2015 11:57 Post subject: |
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any chance for offline play with this game?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2015 13:47 Post subject: |
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| pxxxxg wrote: | | any chance for offline play with this game? |
nope, this is one of those games masquerading DRM as an MMO
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2015 14:04 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | As mentioned previously in the thread, it can still be done with workarounds, but the fact it is now classed as SteamVR, sounds suspiciously like a deal between Frontier and Valve...
Is this the first proper example of VR exclusivity? |
Every Rift pre-order comes with a copy of "Eve: Valkyrie" and Oculus VR is co-publishing the game. I don't know much about Eve or Elite but my guess is that would push the latter towards Valve and away from the Rift?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2015 16:58 Post subject: |
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| jermore wrote: | | pxxxxg wrote: | | any chance for offline play with this game? |
nope, this is one of those games masquerading DRM as an MMO |
I don't think the game actually has any DRM? Provide a source?
The game can't be offline because all the AI and missions are provided live from their servers.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2015 18:05 Post subject: |
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| bart5986 wrote: | | jermore wrote: | | pxxxxg wrote: | | any chance for offline play with this game? |
nope, this is one of those games masquerading DRM as an MMO |
I don't think the game actually has any DRM? Provide a source?
The game can't be offline because all the AI and missions are provided live from their servers. |
Indeed, just like SimCity can't be played offline because the calculations are done by server. Oh, wait...
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2015 18:15 Post subject: |
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Well SimCity was actually similar except that the data SimCity pulled from the servers was minimal and thus easy to emulate/crack. This is more along the lines of Diablo 3.
Classic client-server architecture.
Someone would have to write a server-emulator like some MMO private servers have it.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2015 20:17 Post subject: |
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| bart5986 wrote: | | jermore wrote: | | pxxxxg wrote: | | any chance for offline play with this game? |
nope, this is one of those games masquerading DRM as an MMO |
I don't think the game actually has any DRM? Provide a source?
The game can't be offline because all the AI and missions are provided live from their servers. |
Oh god not this old chestnut again.
| Quote: | DRM
noun [U]
abbreviation for Digital Rights Management: types of technology used to prevent people from illegally copying software, music, films, etc.:
DRM can ensure that programs distributed by internet are legal copies for which the copyright holder is being paid a fee.
DRM technology/software/protection |
source: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/drm?q=DRM
You cannot play the game offline due to the requirement of an online account, which contains a unique serial number. In order to play the game, you need to login, which confirms your ownership of the game. As it is impossible to play the game without logging in, thus confirming ownership, it is deemed a mechanism to prevent 'unauthorised' access to the game.
As traditional on-disc DRM systems such as SecureROM, Starforce and similar mechanisms do exactly the same thing (you can copy the disk, but you can't use it), online accounts and serial numbers are also a form of DRM.
Any argument against this is relying on the old argument that MMO's cannot be subject to DRM as you are paying for a service, and not the actual game client. Of course, this is true for games that rely on online servers to deliver real-time game data, such as play positioning and gameworld data. However, games such as Diablo III and Elite: Dangerous do not require online game data to update these things. The addition of an online trade server might possibly be an argument against the definition of DRM, however, the game certainly doesn't NEED this feature, and could easily be done locally for offline play.
In E , AI and missions are NOT server required. Until the offline feature was removed, the game generated missions and AI ships locally. This is an artificial barrier to ensure online access is needed.
TL;DR - Games that don't require online access to function which still force players to login to play are using DRM. Even if a 'feature' was omitted to force online communication (trade data).[/quote]
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Dec 2015 01:59 Post subject: |
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The galaxy database is running from their servers, that's why it can't be played offline.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Dec 2015 03:15 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Dec 2015 04:59 Post subject: |
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I'm not sure why you guys are singling out Elite Dangerous.
You can run World of Warcraft in offline mod if you download a private server...
Who cares really cares...
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Dec 2015 07:51 Post subject: |
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| bart5986 wrote: | I'm not sure why you guys are singling out Elite Dangerous.
You can run World of Warcraft in offline mod if you download a private server...
Who cares really cares... |
World of warcraft is server/client architecture for starters. Have fun with the cheaters in elite dangerous because they were too lazy to provide the bandwidth and cpu power of real servers.
Why would you not reprimand such a shitty design choice.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Dec 2015 17:49 Post subject: |
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....MUST...RESIST....URGE....TO BUY....!!!!!
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