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Morphineus
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| tet666 wrote: | 
I think this is even illegal in some EU country's. At least it wouldn't fly in court that's for sure. |
Yeah normally if you're in Europe you can bitch to them about your right of withdrawal. Used to do this with Valve before they had refunds. First response of them was: NO REFUNDS! but if I kept throwing consumer laws at them they'd say: fine fine, but only one time.
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Badrien
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2016 00:25 Post subject: |
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| lametta wrote: | | HAT3R wrote: | For those who tried the beta, care to explain what's so bad, please? Cash shop is p2w?
I like what I've seen so far and I think im gonna get the 30 eur version, so dear Casus if u want to recover some money u can sell ur account to me for 30€, win-win  |
according to yt vids the game is bland class system is restrictive and there is not enough endgame or normal content plus it s grindy.
So the only shiny things about the game are maybe the graphics or it s character creator. |
Maybe answer if you actually played the game? There seems to be alot of hating on this game for the sake of hating it(or the genre)
Aside from the expensive(ish) costume shop (which they said they are still looking at, and honestly I dont feel is that expensive at all compared to its competition) I dont see any issues with the game. It does alot of things well and has been fun for me in cb 1 and 2 so far, best combat in an mmo I have seen in a long time. Also I feel they did well in building an immersive world, it feels much more alive then your general mmo world. Theres also they dont do too well, the quests all seem of the cookie cutter kind for example. It does run and looks great which is also rare these days on release.
If you are mainly a PvE player this is likely not for you as theres no real challange until you get to the valencia (55ish) areas which wont be in the game for a few weeks still. And theres no raids or stuff like that planned afaik, the focus here is player interactivity and pvp.
If you like old school mmo's which were largely PvP focused (and usually somewhat grindy) I think youll enjoy this. As someone whos been waiting for a decent 'old school' mmo since SWG closed down and has been failing badly, this game is a breath of fresh air and scratches all the right itches.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2016 08:37 Post subject: |
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Its a shame how much hate the game is getting cause of unknowing people.
Sure some of the prices are high, but it's completely optional. Alot of the things are also in the loyalty shop, inventory slots, weight limit expansion etc
If you actually sit down with the game and not focus on all the negativity.
The combat is amazing, no other mmorpg comes close to it.
Crafting is very complex with different systems that combine togheter.
The world's is beautiful, very little restriction if you like looking around the world, exploration is not riddled with invincible walls.
When you first start the game it hits you with a truckload of information, the only hand holding here is the quest system other then that, it's time to learn all the small systems.
- Worker management.
- Node system
- Horse taming/breeding
- Crafting - you can craft very basic things yourself and then you have a worker make the real things. Some of the best gear in the game is crafted.
Softcap atm is lvl 55, but there is no real max level.
There is no p2w in our version of the game, DAUM has removed all p2w - like selling things from cashshop on auction house. Stats on costumes have no meaning, 10% xp increase is nothing. If you just wanna grind to lvl 50 it tales 14h og pure grinding.
But for the first time in a long time there is no rush to max level, enjoy all the other aspects of the game.
Sorry for wall of text/formatting/spelling - writing on phone.
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gemiko
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2016 12:25 Post subject: |
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| deadpoetic wrote: | | Casus wrote: | | deadpoetic wrote: | | What's so bad about the game? Ok I only played like 2 hours but it seemed pretty fun to me! |
Tastes differ and all that.
Personally, I was disgusted with everything from the UI and art direction to the horrendous pop-ins and gender-locked classes. Worst of all was probably the quest/story delivery. I'm not a violent person, but I really do think I would be driven to excessive violence if I was forced into a room with the person voicing the "black spirit" quest guide. The fact that the voices don't match the actual quest text and that nothing made any kind of sense didn't help matters. It was among the worst translation hack-jobs I've ever seen.
Keep in mind that I'm the sort of player who appreciates an actual story and having what I consider actual reasons for doing what I'm doing in a game. That means I kinda need to engage with NPCs on some level and feel like I'm helping someone that I care about.
I can't do the treadmill symbol-clicking all day long just because. Not anymore, anyway.
That's not to say it's all bad. It's just that certain things are so bad that I can't ever get to the good parts, assuming they're there. |
What do you mean by treadmill symbol-clicking ? |
I mean you see a symbol and you go click on it because that's what the game is telling you to do. You don't really know why and you don't really care - you just do it to progress.
That kind of gameplay just isn't for me anymore.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2016 14:12 Post subject: |
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| Cepe wrote: | | Its a shame how much hate the game is getting cause of unknowing people. |
It's not just unknowing people, people can have a vastly different taste than you have. Negativity doesn't always mean hate... I know to the Taylor Swifts,shitty rappers and teens in this world it does... but be better than that!
| Cepe wrote: | Sure some of the prices are high, but it's completely optional. Alot of the things are also in the loyalty shop, inventory slots, weight limit expansion etc
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To me it is ridiculous when you consider this is a B2P game and I'm baffled that people defend it. If it were F2P like in the other regions: fine... but this smells of pure greed and then some. The whole we shall fix it: sorry but they should have sorted it out before they could try and get away with it.
| Cepe wrote: | If you actually sit down with the game and not focus on all the negativity.
The combat is amazing, no other mmorpg comes close to it. |
For you... If you like hack and slash with abilities over tab targeting then ofcourse you'll like it better for a start. That is still very far from no MMO comes close to it. We had a few who have done that before. Some have less puny mobs than what Black Dessert offers (which makes combat daft). Mind you it is the same level of difficulty at 'end game'. It's a PvP game... but if you put that little effort into it: don't bother.
| Cepe wrote: | | Crafting is very complex with different systems that combine together. |
I wouldn't call it simple, but I wouldn't call it very complex... unless you've been only playing only watered down theme parks from the past years.
| Cepe wrote: | | The world's is beautiful, very little restriction if you like looking around the world, exploration is not riddled with invincible walls. |
It's not THAT beautiful, sure it looks lovely to some other MMO's. I thought it wasn't as optimized as it could be though.
The default settings and effects are quite centred towards the 'Instagram filters' crowd (Ah well, it boils down to taste).
It's nice to have an open world... but it is quite dead for the most part and the mobs are all in their neatly designed squares. Not what I would call an interesting world and they can do a whole lot better these days.
| Cepe wrote: | | When you first start the game it hits you with a truckload of information, the only hand holding here is the quest system other then that, it's time to learn all the small systems. |
A whole lot of information doesn't mean good or doing it better. To me it felt like what the Japanese do: overly informative. Hand holding... well when you have things like autorun to quest... I wouldn't mention hand holding at all. 
| Cepe wrote: | - Worker management.
- Node system
- Horse taming/breeding
- Crafting - you can craft very basic things yourself and then you have a worker make the real things. Some of the best gear in the game is crafted. |
The problem is that most of it is an automated process, which baffles me that this game is touted as nice for oldschool gamers by Badrien.
Not that they are new at it, quite a few are doing the same as what happened in single player gaming. Watering down/automating mechanics, give it some time and we'll be riddled with QTE events at boss fights if this trend continues even more.
I can see how these mechanics can seem nice to some, for me others have done it better and in a less 'Excel' kind of way.
| Cepe wrote: | | Stats on costumes have no meaning, 10% xp increase is nothing. If you just wanna grind to lvl 50 it tales 14h og pure grinding. |
10% boost and +1 this or that (it's not just xp so please don't try to sell it like that)... isn't what I call having no meaning. No meaning would be: not having those stats to begin with. I wouldn't call them problematic (or P2W either)... but that's not what 'just cosmetic' means. The price on those on a B2P game is also quite scummy as fuck (yes a lot of games do it these days, I still don't find it okay).
| Cepe wrote: | | But for the first time in a long time there is no rush to max level, enjoy all the other aspects of the game. |
There never was for me in MMO's, but this is all down to the player. This game didn't eliminate that for other people. Also the speed of levelling in this hardly makes it an effort to rush anyway. Not that this one is unique in that.
Now, I'm glad you like the game. Don't have a problem with that. Taste differs after all. But don't boil it down as people unknowing just because they don't like what you don't like. Plus seeing some of the stuff you wrote... I at times wondered if you just entered the genre and were unknowing yourself.  |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2016 17:27 Post subject: |
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| mvp wrote: | | HAT3R wrote: | Thanks Badrien, you basically confirm my impressions on the game. The combat rly looks good and that's what I care about the most.
After all I've survived the horrible f2p model of neverwinter online for almost 3 years now just because I love the combat there, so I think I can manage bdo no matter what  |
The combat is awesome, and the content in this game is amazing. Something a lot of other mmorpgs should take a look at.
One thing though, while the combat itself is awesome (as mentioned), the mobs are so extremely easy - im lvl 25 now and while i have 7(?) skills, all i do is push the same button and every mob i've come across thus far has died within a few shots. I've yet to take any meaningful damage. Awesome combat is pointless, when you cant use it until you hit lvl 50/pvp level |
The combat gets incredibly hard after you reach level 50 and the death penalty is as crucial as it was in DAOC. I read that if you farm for level 56+ and you die, you can lose up to a week of grinding. Pretty hardcore, but I think a lot of people like it. I dont really have an opinion yet, im going to wait for a few months before I try this game.
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Badrien
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2016 22:44 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: |
| Cepe wrote: | - Worker management.
- Node system
- Horse taming/breeding
- Crafting - you can craft very basic things yourself and then you have a worker make the real things. Some of the best gear in the game is crafted. |
The problem is that most of it is an automated process, which baffles me that this game is touted as nice for oldschool gamers by Badrien.
Not that they are new at it, quite a few are doing the same as what happened in single player gaming. Watering down/automating mechanics, give it some time and we'll be riddled with QTE events at boss fights if this trend continues even more.
I can see how these mechanics can seem nice to some, for me others have done it better and in a less 'Excel' kind of way.
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Thats putting words in my mouth tbh, "If you like old school mmo's which were largely PvP focused (and usually somewhat grindy) I think youll enjoy this" is quite alot more defined than 'oldschool gamers'. And I stand by it, Its been too long since we had a good mmo that did castle sieges decently. This game sure has its faults(its no daoc), and im not a fan of the class and gender lock system, but as I said it scratches all the right itches.
As for these automated systems I cant say im a fan, but they dont do anything to ruin my experience either. They seem to be becoming a standard in the genre. On the other hand with stuff like fishing and taming as meaningless as the minigames may be, I find its more enjoyable than just pressing the corresponding use/skill key and waiting out a timer.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 00:07 Post subject: |
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I've never understood all the hype about this game.. I mean... It's a typical Korean MMORPG with nice graphics.....
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 07:36 Post subject: |
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Nice graphics if you don't mind excessive and constant pop-ins, sure.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 10:06 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | Nice graphics if you don't mind excessive and constant pop-ins, sure. |
You can see such ugly pop-ins even in their release trailer. It's THAT bad. |
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 10:11 Post subject: |
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Yeah, it's really one of the worst examples of this I've ever seen - and I've seen many, many games.
I guess some people just don't mind things like that, but to me it's much worse than low-res textures or low-poly assets.
So, while the game looks great in screenshots - it looks like a bad dream about glitchy engines coming to eat you in reality.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 20:46 Post subject: |
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| KillaSeven wrote: | | mvp wrote: | | HAT3R wrote: | Thanks Badrien, you basically confirm my impressions on the game. The combat rly looks good and that's what I care about the most.
After all I've survived the horrible f2p model of neverwinter online for almost 3 years now just because I love the combat there, so I think I can manage bdo no matter what |
The combat is awesome, and the content in this game is amazing. Something a lot of other mmorpgs should take a look at.
One thing though, while the combat itself is awesome (as mentioned), the mobs are so extremely easy - im lvl 25 now and while i have 7(?) skills, all i do is push the same button and every mob i've come across thus far has died within a few shots. I've yet to take any meaningful damage. Awesome combat is pointless, when you cant use it until you hit lvl 50/pvp level |
The combat gets incredibly hard after you reach level 50 and the death penalty is as crucial as it was in DAOC. I read that if you farm for level 56+ and you die, you can lose up to a week of grinding. Pretty hardcore, but I think a lot of people like it. I dont really have an opinion yet, im going to wait for a few months before I try this game. |
Yeah well so why is 1-50 so mind mindbogglingly easy and boring i mean mobs are literally punching bags in this game they have no ai at all...
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Feb 2016 21:10 Post subject: |
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| tet666 wrote: | | Yeah well so why is 1-50 so mind mindbogglingly easy and boring i mean mobs are literally punching bags in this game they have no ai at all... |
What I read about it is that they wanted it to be inclusive. They didn't want gamers to feel it would be too hard to progress. This comes from some Korean interview when they changed the combat to something much easier in their beta versions.
I didn't expect this kind of brain dead mobs though. |
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Feb 2016 21:59 Post subject: |
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It's still not released and well it's ok i guess nothing special good gfx (with excessive pop in) Action combat system like pretty much any MMO lately, extremly easy and solo centric there is no group pve content or any meaningful player to player interaction even trading was removed no endgame content aside from pvp and sieges, no dungeons or anything like that.
Sandbox elements are kinda nice but it's not actually a real sandbox it's similar to Archeage with much less to do.
Some minor P2W stuff in the overpriced Shop (minor stats and such on the costumes,stuff like a stealth costume which can be bit op for pvp) Costumes cost more then the actual game and everything else is very expensive as well which wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have only 2-3 slightly different ugly armors per class to force you to buy the overpriced costumes (they are even character bound) if you don't want to run around in a potato sack from lvl 1-ever, you can buy Dyes for these costumes only in rng boxes in the shop (there are like a hundred shades per color) single use of course, they removed pretty much anything that would be an alternative to the shop which is something i have actually never seen in any MMO the publisher seems to be extremely greedy since this is pretty much a bad f2p MMO with a entry fee (talking about the business model only ofc).
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Feb 2016 22:03 Post subject: |
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Good depth, dosnt hold your hand, a variaty of interesting craft, trade , bounty hunting , fishing etc .
Housing ,workers ,trade routes , horse taming & breeding (think elephants too !)
Combat is fun (& quite deep depending on class) .
Lots of grind , soft cap , various skill options.
Looks pretty amazing
Terrible voice acting 
Inventory is a pain
Whole store thing is a bit pitiful , but you can get by without it.
Gets a 10
from len tbh
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Feb 2016 22:15 Post subject: |
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Ah yeah forgot the ui is a total clusterfuck with arrows n lines and shit pointing in every direction.
It's made for total idiots, way too much information, had a hard time getting all this shit turned off.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Feb 2016 22:20 Post subject: |
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What tet666 said, I'd be slightly harsher... but eh.
Having you in mind No9999 it will just be a game you play for a few days and forget about since you have a big pile of better ones.
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Feb 2016 00:02 Post subject: |
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| tet666 wrote: | Ah yeah forgot the ui is a total clusterfuck with arrows n lines and shit pointing in every direction.
It's made for total idiots, way too much information, had a hard time getting all this shit turned off. |
You can remove a lot of the UI with the ingame editor. The arrows you can simply turn off in game settings.
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Feb 2016 01:18 Post subject: |
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| mvp wrote: | | tet666 wrote: | Ah yeah forgot the ui is a total clusterfuck with arrows n lines and shit pointing in every direction.
It's made for total idiots, way too much information, had a hard time getting all this shit turned off. |
You can remove a lot of the UI with the ingame editor. The arrows you can simply turn off in game settings. |
Yeah i figured that out i just thought it ridiculous how much useless information there was by default.
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Feb 2016 02:09 Post subject: |
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| tet666 wrote: |
Yeah i figured that out i just thought it ridiculous how much useless information there was by default. |
True, the ui telling me what button I just pushed was particularly annoying
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Feb 2016 08:28 Post subject: |
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It's just one of those games that look great on screenshots and videos... hell even when you play it at first. The combat is flashy and feels great at the beginning but as soon as mobs start to get spongy, the flashiness becomes comical... morphing into just another MMO with nothing really new to offer.
But hey, even in the west, this is still going to be a somewhat successful... Weeaboo Waifu simulator.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Feb 2016 14:39 Post subject: |
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Does anyone have guest pass and would be so kind to share it?
Future of gaming by Bioware:
"WHEN YOU PRESS A BUTTON, SOMETHING AWESOME HAS TO HAPPEN."
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