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| SpykeZ wrote: | | What the fuck....I recognize that turntable, fucking thing I believe costs for 5K |
Looks like the one from Clockwork orange, the Mitchell transcriptor.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2016 16:23 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | If you want to witness just how good vinyl can sound over digital. Pick up some Van Halen albums (originals) or Beach Boys. Listening to Van Halen doing his solos or whatever and hearing him pick his strings and ugh, so good. |
Are you saying that vinyl is a better medium than cd or that you find actual products on vinyl sound better than their counterpart (basically because the cd version wasn't made well) ?
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2016 19:23 Post subject: |
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Vinyl has different sound signature than digital media (warm, and its not compressed at all so you can hear all details if its recorded properly) , but i would not call it to be better. Maybe it was back in the day the thing when there was shitty compressed MP3s or so, but you can get lossless digital sound aswell and it will sound better with proper speakers.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2016 21:34 Post subject: |
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Swapped my good old Audinst hud-mx1 for O2 ODAC RevB. Damn I love this DAC. Transparent as water.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2016 23:13 Post subject: |
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| Nui wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | If you want to witness just how good vinyl can sound over digital. Pick up some Van Halen albums (originals) or Beach Boys. Listening to Van Halen doing his solos or whatever and hearing him pick his strings and ugh, so good. |
Are you saying that vinyl is a better medium than cd or that you find actual products on vinyl sound better than their counterpart (basically because the cd version wasn't made well) ? |
As the dude above said, different sounds but I like vinyl better.
Digital basically sterilizes the music to make it sound "perfect". With vinyl you can feel the music, you can hear the pick clicking against the strings or the fingers slapping the bass string. It sounds a lot more alive.
I could go on why I think vinyl is better than cd/digital but that just goes into the decades long debate that I'm not going to do.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2016 15:42 Post subject: |
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Fucking piece of shit SMSL M2 did the same shit again. Except it doesn't even work from USB3 now.
Oh well, got a NAD 7120 Stereo Amplifier from a friend recently and I have had a DAC between my TV and Amp in the living room which I took for my PC now.
Apparently using powered USB hub might work for the SMSL M2 but don't have one at hand nor can I get one for now.
This NAD doesn't sound that bad at all really for being a tiny stereo amp. But I guess NAD does make good shit.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 09:50 Post subject: |
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Dunno if I said it before in this thread but SMSL makes junk. In the world of Chinese DAC/Amps, they're the bottom feeders, offers stuff at a good price but gives you garbage.
Need stuff like that, stick with Topping and FiiO, both Chinese and cheap but very well made stuff.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 10:12 Post subject: |
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I have learned the hard way now :l
Ohwell thank god for having a spare amp laying around...
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 20:53 Post subject: |
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I have e10k and I do like everything about it.
There are few quirks tho:
For one, I had to get better rubber feet than those included, because it was all over the place. The thing is small and light.
I had to get longer usb cable.
And I had to get pci usb extension card because usb ports on my shitty asrock mobo was causing popping etc.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 21:52 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | I have learned the hard way now :l
Ohwell thank god for having a spare amp laying around... |
If you're shopping for a new portable one, look into the Topping NX amps. Had someone else here try the NX1 out and he loved it. They're up to the NX3 now it looks like.
If you want to spend a lil more money and want pure sexy amazing shit. Look into iBasso.
http://ibasso.com/
I had their portable FLAC player (DX50) and the thing was amazing.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 22:40 Post subject: |
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Someone else also recommended Topping NX earlier aswell. Is there any info on the differences? Or is it just "newer is better"?
They aren't even that expensive, if I get this NAD sold then I will buy another headphone DAC/AMP.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 23:15 Post subject: |
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usual fixes issues of the previous generation, tweak the sound etc, bigger battery/better battery life.
It appears the NX1 and NX2 are amp/dac where the NX3 is just an amp.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 23:20 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 23:23 Post subject: |
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This is great for notebook but useless otherwise.
Main reason to go for dac is that it's interface for being able to put on the desk imo. You gain availability of headphones jack on desk, a volume control + some dacs allow for computer speakers output on the back.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 23:39 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | This is great for notebook but useless otherwise.
Main reason to go for dac is that it's interface for being able to put on the desk imo. You gain availability of headphones jack on desk, a volume control + some dacs allow for computer speakers output on the back. |
Which is why the Fulla is hella better.
http://schiit.com/products/fulla
Made by two guys who are veterans and the guy who's basically father DAC.
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | opinions were true |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 00:35 Post subject: |
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Internet is never right, so for once, I was surprised! If I went with Porta Pro sooner I would've saved a ton of money instead of spending it on plenty of other inferior headphones... well but I did needed closed less leaking sound headphones before so it it justifiable only now.
Same goes for a dac. Fuck sound cards.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 00:51 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 04:56 Post subject: |
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I am guessing he meant they like to be funny.
With the speaker thing he was probably referring to DAC/AMP combos, when simply calling them DACs.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 19:17 Post subject: |
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@Spykez
Well no shit fucking sherlcok. Go troll somewhere else and stop pissing me off. I know all of that. I have the god damn pc and all that for 20 years. I am 27 years old for christ sake. Stop treating everyone like if You are the only one with a god damn brain and google skills.
You are an idiot when it comes to advices here, not me. Nobody asks for it and You vocalize it over and over. Just shut up for once and fuck off. You don't need to have a last word. You are not uncovering some unknown secrets of sacred DAC, the holy grail of "analog" to digital converter. oh my my my, I wonder how that works! I bet Spykez, that brilliant man, will tell me! Only he knows!!!
What is so hard to understand about plugging speakers back into this? WHAT?!!@!
Is this some sacred old gods knowledge? ITS THE SAME FUCKING THING as motherboard audio or a sound card. The same thing. Speakers that are powered (that go into outlet fyi), whatever cable they end up with, be that a rca-> converter or plain 3,5mm jack can be pluged there. Right.
It's just on a fucking desk for a convinience. And dont even start with the audiphille bullshit. There is barely if any difference compared to anything else. I've heard thousands worth speakers, headphones, amps, dacs and it's all mostly the same.
Offcourse the fuckjing standalone speakers end with normal left/right attached cable for it to be plugged into amp. Because they dont get power from outlet.
If You want me to leave the forum again, no problem. I don't need internet assholes in my life. I know my stuff just the way I want it and it's surely better than You think. You are the one getting marketed into spending thousands on useless audiophille bullshit.
and yes. It was a joke about shiit. It's just the same siumple dac like fiio. Like Your phone, like anything that plays digital music. ANd there is no need for speakers with separate "professional" amp. My old god damn creative speakers from 2001 are so loud that I never listen to them past 50%. And they are clear all the way. And they costed 200$.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 19:48 Post subject: |
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Are you saying, that you consider the difference between your creative speakers and some of those "thousands worth" speakers small?
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 19:55 Post subject: |
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For home use? in small room?
Small but maybe my speakers are actually pretty good compared to other computer speakers. They made em much better in 15 years ago.
And it's still funny that 50$ headphones can sound like thousand $ speakers.
But thats not the topic of disscussion. We were just politely talking about connecting speakers to pc
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 21:05 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | For home use? in small room?
Small but maybe my speakers are actually pretty good compared to other computer speakers. They made em much better in 15 years ago.
And it's still funny that 50$ headphones can sound like thousand $ speakers.
But thats not the topic of disscussion. We were just politely talking about connecting speakers to pc |
Now I will give you that difference between an entry level DAC and some "elite" one will be hard to distinguish for majority of people (or at the very least will not matter to them), but equating PC speakers with a higher end full range set (let alone throwing some headphones into this) is just plain silly.
If your conditions don't allow you to use good speakers to their full potential, doesn't mean that they are a waste of money to everyone else.
Still, on the subject of DACs I can say that I used onboard audio (ALC 1150, one of the better ones from Realtek) combined with a Fiio E09K amp to drive my HD600s for some time and I could just tell that something was missing from my previous experience with Essence ST. I have upgraded to micro iDSD since then and was very pleased with the result. It's a subtle difference, but big enough for me to notice where it mattered. Not gonna say that one needs a $500+ device to get there, but I will say that they are not all the same.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 21:40 Post subject: |
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You guys can probably answer a question for me.
I currently own a Denon avr 2309 and I believe its a waste of money, for having a lot of half assed features like a silly auto calibration system, coarse equalizer and what not. The delay settings for speakers is actually the only cool thing about it. Actually it can't even decode DD and DTS properly. Seriously, all software and other hardware decodes it differently (ps3, dvd player, lav, ffdshow, etc) and sounds better.
Anyway, are there cheaper alternatives like pure DAC+AMPs for multichannel PCM? And would I into troubles like no delay for individual speakers or no support Atmos if thats actually good?
I won't need it any time soon, so no need for urgency or very specific devices 
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2016 22:08 Post subject: |
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Kc go some audio hifi store which has genelec speakers there with proper music that is recorded flawlessy, report me back if there is difference compared to those creative fart cans or 50 dollar headphones.
Absolutely hilarious stuff in this thread lately.
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