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proekaan
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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Mar 2016 20:52    Post subject:
So the framelock issue under DX12 is all thanks to MS trying to be a dick? Very Happy

edit...oh sorry,with MS BEING a dick. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Mar 2016 09:07    Post subject:
Looks like some "good" usage of DX12 over DX11, 10% improvement even on AMD cards which has async compute at hardware level and its a AMD gaming evolved title. Are there any comparison pictures of graphics DX11 vs DX12?.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Mar 2016 09:25    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Looks like some "good" usage of DX12 over DX11, 10% improvement even on AMD cards which has async compute at hardware level and its a AMD gaming evolved title. Are there any comparison pictures of graphics DX11 vs DX12?.


Shouldn't be much difference in graphics, atleast in that RTS thingy.
Performance improvements are very nice though.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Mar 2016 15:18    Post subject:
Computerbase.de managed to find a trick with Afterburner, using a second monitor and one that has 120/144Hz to circumvent the 60FPS limit on GCN 1.2. They are not using the ingame benchmark but their own scene, with a few Rooms with alot of people etc.

Here are their results for the latest Hitman:





What is amazing is that on 1440 the 390X even beats the 980Ti on DX11 in this game. It could mean that the game is really badly optimized for Nvidia overall, which could also explain the even bigger differences in DX12.

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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Mar 2016 16:43    Post subject:
Need more data, as in more DX12 games. After AoS what's next, DX12 update for womb raider 2? And then Deus Ex:MD?

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Stige




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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Mar 2016 16:51    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Need more data, as in more DX12 games. After AoS what's next, DX12 update for womb raider 2? And then Deus Ex:MD?


More proof that Nvidia cards are shit at DX12?
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Mar 2016 22:49    Post subject:
Stige wrote:
tonizito wrote:
Need more data, as in more DX12 games. After AoS what's next, DX12 update for womb raider 2? And then Deus Ex:MD?


More proof that Nvidia cards are shit at DX12?


k. much conclusion. very facts. wow.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Mar 2016 23:34    Post subject:
Temp setback until Pascal arrives. Still.. would think Nvidia would have been on-par. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 00:20    Post subject:
drivers shit, implementation shit -> we will see what happens when it gets really important
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 00:21    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
drivers shit, implementation shit -> we will see what happens when it gets really important


Drivers won't fix the lack of hardware support though for Nvidia. Maybe this miracle called "Pascal" will save us all!
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 00:48    Post subject:
maybe, maybe not. we will see in may. but till the time dx12 is really useful and relevant-> even pascal is not the actual generation of nv chips
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 02:49    Post subject:
Shit I'm losing 14fps @ DX12 to the R9. I need a new card Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 07:14    Post subject:
I like how Stige takes this Nvidia thing like a personal insult.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 10:35    Post subject:
zibztrollingme wrote:
I like how Stige takes this Nvidia thing like a personal insult.


Don't worry, I will always buy the card that is the most value for money. And this time it was AMD.
Maybe next time I upgrade it might be Nvidia, hasn't been since 8800GTS though, not when I have upgraded atleast.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 12:23    Post subject:
There he goes with his 8800 bull again. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 13:02    Post subject:
Stige wrote:
tonizito wrote:
Need more data, as in more DX12 games. After AoS what's next, DX12 update for womb raider 2? And then Deus Ex:MD?


More proof that Nvidia cards are shit at DX12?


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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 13:03    Post subject:
Seems like there is problems on nvidia side, since even DX11 performance is crap. Well its AMD gaming evolved title anyway, Nvidia titles run also like crap on AMD hardware, nothing special really.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 13:11    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Seems like there is problems on nvidia side, since even DX11 performance is crap. Well its AMD gaming evolved title anyway, Nvidia titles run also like crap on AMD hardware, nothing special really.
Nowai, only nvidia does that! You take that back right now! Mad Crying or Very sad

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Stige




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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Mar 2016 13:21    Post subject:
Wouldn't be the first time Nvidia paid off devs to do something to a game because it runs worse on Nvidia cards
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 01:14    Post subject:
amd pro duo 1500usd Very Happy

only 4gb hbm memory per gpu and able to suck 500w... great work amd, thats how it works....
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 01:18    Post subject:
Aww Yeah

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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 01:29    Post subject:


I guess this settles this. We won't see HBM2 this year at all sadly from both camps.
Gonna be lame ass year.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 05:30    Post subject:
ya seems no HBM2 for polaris,but vega is coming late 2016/early 2017 so not that far off.

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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 08:00    Post subject:
HBM already has incredible bandwith so it should be plenty for mid-end Pascal cards.

If that chart is to be trusted AMD has made a nice leap in efficiency. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 09:39    Post subject:
my new hero on derp3d Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 09:44    Post subject:
1. Source pls.

2. Lets not make this thread about idiots from Guru3D, k thx. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 15:26    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
HBM already has incredible bandwith so it should be plenty for mid-end Pascal cards.

If that chart is to be trusted AMD has made a nice leap in efficiency. Smile

The problem with first gen HBM was that it was limited to 1GB per stack with GPU working with 4 stacks at most, basically limiting VRAM to 4GB. They could find a way to use more stacks, but from what I understand it's not a good solution.
4GB is not in itself terrible, but people might be expecting more from a "next-gen" card, especially considering how developers like to handle their memory management for PC ports these days.

From what I hear they don't intend to launch with the high-end first, so HBM might not be used at all, making it less of an issue.

As for efficiency, it would be interesting to see how much of that is due to the different manufacturing process and how much is actual changes in architecture.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 16:54    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
amd pro duo 1500usd Very Happy

only 4gb hbm memory per gpu and able to suck 500w... great work amd, thats how it works....


After taxes and euro conversion its here like 2000 euros, great job AMD, nice GPU to pair with your 1000 euro VR helmet, oh wait forgot that you need 1500 euros PC aswell.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 19:25    Post subject:
MinderMast wrote:

From what I hear they don't intend to launch with the high-end first, so HBM might not be used at all, making it less of an issue.

It is for the people who intend to buy those not so high-end cards(me). Razz

also what is the point of the Dual Pro btw?
release a 1500$ gpu just around the corner of polaris and vega, which will be much more economic and as powerful.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2016 19:34    Post subject:
In comparison...what was the point of Titan Z,especially at that price?

But pro duo is coming out early Q2 which is about 3+ months before polaris. And those first polaris cards are low/mid end cards afaik.
Vega with HBM2 is coming out late 2016(at the earliest),so maybe they just needed some high end card to fill the gaps.

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