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 Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2016 21:21 Post subject: laid off today, bye bye job |
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So I got laid off today (correct term right?). The department I worked in downsized and I saw it coming for a couple of months, but it still sucks. It was never the job I wanted, but I was good at it and most of my coworkers were awesome. I worked via a job agency, fuckers didn't want to give me a new temporary contract. Now I rarely am angry, I can laugh at anything, and I was expecting it really. When the fucker told me (with a smile on his face) I'd stop in two weeks, but they really needed me those two weeks because I am very good, I went full psycho. I don't curse, but the point was made clear. I pretty much told him to fuck himself in pretty words, said I won't be coming in the next week and left.
Bleh, it sucks but I'll still have 5 months pay from the government while I search for a new job. It hurts because I was so good at it and I did a lot (extra hours and responsibility). I'll really miss my manager, such an awesome guy. He was my first true boss (not counting internships, jobs in my younger years etc.) and he made things very pleasant for me.
Needed to vent, thanks for reading 
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tonizito
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Damn man, that sucks
Good luck and hopefully you'll find a new one fast
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2016 21:37 Post subject: |
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Man this sucks! Can't you find something NOT through a temp agency? At least you'll receive some severance pay next time
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2016 21:45 Post subject: |
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The job market is pretty much ruled by these agencies since companies are scared shitless to hire people directly. Financial crisis and whatnot. These agencies are parasites, leeching off of hard working people. I do understand the companies though, if you give someone a contract and he gets sick, you're pretty much fucked as a small company. The current crazy economic times don;t help either.
I'll find a job soon I think and my wife has a job anyway, but I really liked the people here. Going like this, I was told repeatedly from the first month I started how great I was, that is what hurts. It basicaly meant shit.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2016 21:53 Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear that. Sucks when you have a great team and they break it up.
And fucking temp job market, it's a cancer. Not that unheard of that people work more than a year on temp contracts. Luckily I've never been in that situation. Hope you land something better and don't have to deal with a temp status too long.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2016 21:58 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | The job market is pretty much ruled by these agencies since companies are scared shitless to hire people directly. Financial crisis and whatnot. These agencies are parasites, leeching off of hard working people. I do understand the companies though, if you give someone a contract and he gets sick, you're pretty much fucked as a small company. The current crazy economic times don;t help either.
I'll find a job soon I think and my wife has a job anyway, but I really liked the people here. Going like this, I was told repeatedly from the first month I started how great I was, that is what hurts. It basicaly meant shit. |
What type of education/qualification do you have? |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2016 22:07 Post subject: |
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I did two years electrical engineering, hated it since it was more programming than engineering, and did something like MD/research mix afterwards (got my masters degree). Since economy went to shit and research grants and whatnot went poof mostly, I hit a wall. Maybe I should've stuck with the original idea and I'd probably have some kind of job now in that field, but I really didn't want to do something I'd hate for the rest of my life. I worked at a medically related company, did all kinds of things internally.
I know it sounds weird for someone highly eduacted to work as a temp, but I guess that's how the world works now. The job was below my level, whatever someone's level is, but it was still at HBO level, a notch beneath university. To be clear, I wasn't doing my own job (PhD studrent).
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2016 22:09 Post subject: |
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Wait, you have a masters degree in Medical/Research stuff and you have to go through temp agencies? Dude, something is royally fucked. Look for big companies dude, temp agencies are dirty leeches! I wish you best luck!
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2016 23:02 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | Wait, you have a masters degree in Medical/Research stuff and you have to go through temp agencies? Dude, something is royally fucked. Look for big companies dude, temp agencies are dirty leeches! I wish you best luck! |
Good advice but sometimes you have no choice
Especially in shit countries like mine
BTW mister_s, if you're not afraid to work abroad leave your CV here:
https://ec.europa.eu/eures/public/de/homepage
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2016 23:44 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I did two years electrical engineering, hated it since it was more programming than engineering, and did something like MD/research mix afterwards (got my masters degree). Since economy went to shit and research grants and whatnot went poof mostly, I hit a wall. Maybe I should've stuck with the original idea and I'd probably have some kind of job now in that field, but I really didn't want to do something I'd hate for the rest of my life. |
That was the right thing to do, there's no doubt about it, going after what you really like (instead of what's more convenient in terms of job offers) always pays off in the end, even if it's a more troubled journey. Moments and situations like these don't help :S, they really hurt...but chin up mate, I'm sure you'll find another way soon enough. 
Unfortunately I know really well what you're going through now, three times I thought I was having the job of my life and then for external reasons (economy, failures, and bank scandals respectively) I lost everything..we shall be strong and try not to get angry at the shit that life throws at us (it's hard though!  ) |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2016 05:29 Post subject: |
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A factory burned down on easter monday near my region and those temp. agencies didn't even flinch and fired nearly all of them the next day. That must suck, especially because it's the 2nd factory of them that burned down within 6 months. WTF is going on there?
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2016 05:40 Post subject: |
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| flipp wrote: | | A factory burned down on easter monday near my region and those temp. agencies didn't even flinch and fired nearly all of them the next day. That must suck, especially because it's the 2nd factory of them that burned down within 6 months. WTF is going on there? |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2016 21:03 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the nice comments. You describe exactly the pain I feel Sellob. Being sacked is not the big problem, hearing how great you are, doing your best, and THEN getting sacked sucks hard. You also get some BS story like "we'll call you when something changes, wait for us a couple of months". You're left with a complete "fuck off you bastard" feeling. Best of luck to you, hopefully something good will happen soon.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 00:29 Post subject: |
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Well, the difference being that you have masters degree, I couldn't even finish my engineering studies because of fragile psyche. You can do way better, and it's them that suffered a loss, not you. Stay strong, keep fighting because sooner or later, you will land the job you deserve. Never get discouraged.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 00:47 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I know it sounds weird for someone highly eduacted to work as a temp, but I guess that's how the world works now. |
Nah,does not sound weird at all and yes,they try their best to make it appear "normal" to get burned trough these temp agencies. Best of luck,i really mean it.
| PumpAction wrote: | | Wait, you have a masters degree in Medical/Research stuff and you have to go through temp agencies? Dude, something is royally fucked. Look for big companies dude, temp agencies are dirty leeches! I wish you best luck! |
 How far out of touch are you mate? I know several people with masters in different fields (not only CS) that can´t get anything trough normal means or need a shitton of luck to get anything else than a contract trough these TempAgencies ("Zeitarbeit" got big during Schröders time as Bundeskanzler in Germany).
A guy i was in clan with,almost 40 years old and his ass full of IT certificates from MS,Cisco and even those unaffordable VMWare ones had to settle for 10€/h trough Randstad because thats way cheaper than employing him directly (which no one did,even if they were looking for someone as qualified as him).Contract gets renewed every 6 months and don´t dare to ask for a raise 
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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold... |
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 01:23 Post subject: |
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If he has so many certificates why not gulp.de? None of the people I studied with has to go to temp agencies and even the one who started with the lowest wage (2200 brutto/month) and biggest noob (dolan  ) is now after 3-4 years at 50.000€ a year. Basically all of us applied to the smallest and biggest companies in the area, but living just <70km of frankfurt is helping of course I guess.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 02:45 Post subject: |
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I heard similiar stories from a guy close to Frankfurt (Froschhausen or something),IT jobs seem to be good there.The person i used as example was sitting in Kiel at this time but friends from the medical/psychological field report aswell about having to slave away for TA`s.
Anyways,wasn´t my intention to derail the topic,just reassure to Mister_s that having to deal with TA`s is not that unusual,even with good qualification in most fields.There are a lot of black sheep among these companies
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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold... |
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 02:53 Post subject: |
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A friend of mine who studied medical engineering also spend quite some time searching for a good job. It's a very competitive and demanded area, but at the same time they don't want to hire.. I don't get it.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 08:53 Post subject: |
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In these temp agencies do you get a better salary than if you were hired directly at the company? I always thought working as a temp was sort of like trading salary for job security but perhaps that is not the case?
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 09:09 Post subject: |
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Most of the time,you would get a significant lower pay on top of not having a secured position in the company you will work in. You could get send to a new company every week or laid off quite easily so its a win-win but not for the guy that gets employed this way
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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold... |
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 09:58 Post subject: |
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| Atropa wrote: | | In these temp agencies do you get a better salary than if you were hired directly at the company? I always thought working as a temp was sort of like trading salary for job security but perhaps that is not the case? |
You get the same salary as someone working there (doing the same job obviously). Temp agencies have zero positive effect on the employee, they work for the employer. It's risk management. While a temp is actually very costly for the employer, they don't have to mess with administrative things and payments when the employee is sick for example. So a temp is almost twice the cost of a 'normal' employee for the employer, but the temp gets the same salary. So as a temp, you get the same salary and zero job security. Though I must admit even someone who is not a temp should be very happy with 1-year contracts these days.
It's the time of the employer, the worker is meaningless. You won't believe how many mass lay offs have happened 3-4 years ago, after which almost the entire workforce was replaced by temps (because financial crisis). I feel sad for the people in the lowest regions of the workforce, they are used as daily workers (work your ass off when there's work, fuck off if there isn't any work).
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 12:22 Post subject: |
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I work with a temp agency as well, but to be honest I quite like it. I'll never be without a job as long as I am with the agency, since they will look for me. I have a company lease car which is pretty nice in terms of costs for driving a car. I can get me Microsoft, RES, VMWARE, etc certificates for free, so there are a lot benefits for being with an agency. I'm still pretty young (23) and I don't want to be with an agency forever, but it's a great start this way.
I have to say though, that 75% are external as well where I work, and I'm not sure that's good.
But I understand that it sucks Mister, especially the way they treated you.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2016 13:55 Post subject: |
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From experience and from stories of people I know, a majority of the employees at a company being a temp is sadly a very bad thing. It usually means your time in that company will be short. I assume you know about the new laws ("wet werk en werkzekerheid") which are supposed to coerce companies into hiring more people. Well, it usually backfires since companies let the temp go before they have to hire him/her directly or pay a severance. While I understand why the law was enacted, it is absolutely retarded since the real world doesn't work that way. While the idea is to force companies into hiring people, or pay a severance payment if they don't, the companies just let people go before that clause triggers. I guess politicians do actually live in lala land where people are all honest and abide the rules.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2016 02:40 Post subject: |
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@misters true that what they should enforce is that if a temp has worked for a certain time in a company they can't lay them off easily but goodluck getting either the eu / netherlands / belgian gov to do anything like that
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2016 02:56 Post subject: |
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They'll just fire and re-hire a day before that date has come.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Apr 2016 09:45 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | They'll just fire and re-hire a day before that date has come. |
Nah it doesn't work that way. Before the new law people had to leave for three months after every temp contract, to reset it so to say. The government extended that period to six months, to stop people from being temps for life. This is somehow supposed to coerce the company to hire that person since he/she will be gone for six months otherwise. Do you get the logic? Add to this the severance payment temp agencies need to pay now after phase B (tere are phases). All nice ideas on paper, but in the real world people just don't get an extension on the first contract. So you get a shorter period in the same company as a temp and you don't get a severance payment. Do you still get the logic? I think this law has nothing to do with the worker, it's just a way to make the job market more flowing.
The problem is the job market is flooded with very smart and capable people who learn things very fast. So basically no one is irreplaceable.
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. Evil scum, that's what they are.
And the thing that hurts the most is how much heart you put into your work, only to get discarded like a complete shit the next day. The only good thing that I got from it was severance package. You'll find something better though, don't worry about that and just believe in yourself however ridiculous that might sound coming from me.
