Interesting, EVGA has 1080s (non-founders) for as low as 679 EUR (756 USD), which is pretty close to the US price (600 USD + 23% VAT in Poland = 738 USD):
I doubt third parties (EVGA, MSI etc.) have finished their own PCB's for the 1070/1080 GPU's yet. It takes time and effort to build a good PCB for a modern GPU as well as order big batches of GPU's (I doubt nVidia have managed to make enough GPU's to send to third party OEMs).
It is rather curious that nVidia took the route of the Founders version. They're basically biting their own hands. While 3dfx stopped selling GPU's to any third party manufacturer (dumbest decision ever which led to 3dfx being bought by nVidia), nVidia is taking at least half a step in that direction. Oh well.
Vega, where art thou!?
EDIT: EVGA Geforce GTX 1080 FTW <- modified PCB with 2x8-pin power sockets and more powerful VRM's.
EVGA Geforce GTX 1080 Superclocked <- standard Founders Edition with custom cooler + some firmware tweaks to allow some overclocking.
Now, getting the results they want is a different matter. Let's just say they're a bit more than underwhelmed with what the chips can do. Cherrypicking is always necessary, but this time they're constrained by Nvidia. Nvidia are limiting the chips in ways that MSI just can't circumvent. They really have to reserve the absolute top bins to make a Lightning worth it and right now their sales department aren't even sure whether it'll go to market.
Edit: the way this works is quite interesting btw. So the FE is shipped as-is by Nvidia, manufacturers don't do shit to that. At the same time, Nvidia release a reference PCB guide that manufacturers can use to design their own. That they did in early April; from there it depends on how each manufacturer works, but most get their own "standard" PCBs (optimised layout, more phases, more power) done in 4-6 weeks from that point. In other words, most manufacturers will have had their custom PCBs ready early-mid May.
Things like like a Lightning edition are a bit different. Obviously the design takes a bit longer, but at least MSI then tests it for a few months together with overclockers before it goes to market. As far as I understand, MSI are in that phase right now and getting crap results (as is to be expected, given the lacklustre results we see with reference cards).
Nvidia rushed this release so badly. They were and are in no way ready to push the product out.
Product Update : As it turns out, is in the exhibited MSI Lightning card really a GTX 980Ti. This is still unclear how the power of the GTX will look 1080 Lightning-series and whether MSI layout retains.
You are not going to use over 1.25V on air anyway, and extra voltage doesnt guarantee better clocks, some chips for example becomes very unstable after certain point. Why you guys in so hurry to "upgrade" your 980Ti´s?
You are not going to use over 1.25V on air anyway, and extra voltage doesnt guarantee better clocks, some chips for example becomes very unstable after certain point. Why you guys in so hurry to "upgrade" your 980Ti´s?
But you can never find the limits for yourself if there are artificial limits already in the place like stupid voltage limiters etc.
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Werelds wrote:
escalibur wrote:
Obviously all cards are locked to max 1,25V so that is currently heavly limiting overclocking.
Nope, that's not it. There's other limitations
And they are? (Aside from bios limitations)
Actual physical limitations. Apparently (this is just what I'm hearing from someone involved) the chips really don't like being pushed. Practically none of the volume chips (i.e. the ones they have access to atm) allow for anything more than what we've seen. Yields (as in, yield quality, not yield rate) are pretty bad. They're all limited by Nvidia in terms of power as well (that's the firmware obviously), something they can't circumvent...yet. That means that just blindly feeding them more power will have an adverse effect, the chip's just gonna give you the finger.
That said...someone experienced with all this shit (*cough*) is working on disabling that
That Lightning photo turned out to be 980 Ti so at least for now there are no confirmations about the actual card. It's not that it is not coming out at some point anyway.
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That Lightning photo turned out to be 980 Ti so at least for now there are no confirmations about the actual card. It's not that it is not coming out at some point anyway.
My statement wasn't based on that photo, I knew that people misinterpreted that
StrEagle wrote:
I think the PCB was 980Ti, but the card with the cooler was 1080Ti, as 980Ti has 2x8 power pins, not 2x8+1x6
Nope. There is no 1080 Ti yet and there won't be for some time.
Very vague in details, but seems nice for the market they aim atm.
Now the only thing is the price for 480...hopefully we'll get answers in about 7-8 hours.
It's a nice budget card for sure, it's just a shame they won't be releasing the pascal competitor until end of the year. And then Nvidia will counter with the Ti again.
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