All good, but why all the screens look like fucking vaseline blurred mess, wtf.
thats the future for ya. look at the drool over the bokeh filter in the new doom. whole screen blurred beyond recognition and people seem to think that looks good. and it even eats more gpu power
lets hope there are settings we can tweak ourselves. in any case, as long as the gameplay is there, i can deal with a bit of next gen vaseline.
Doom's post-processing is the best I've ever seen. This one's looks amateurish and annoying but yeah if the game is good..
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
What does it have to do with Bokeh? It was a post-process anti-aliasing technique if you used that 8xTSSAA or whatever they called it. If you used FXAA or SMAA the blur was greatly reduced to the usual FXAA/SMAA levels but the jaggies and pixel crawl also crept in.
I was using bokeh in doom as an example of vaseline being next gen. It's quite possible they are just showing of max settings, which, as we know from doom and many other games, often includes vaseline settings.
who knows what sliders they will include to let us actually tweak the amount of vaseline.
the PPAA in the doom is awesome, that I do agree with, but AA is only a part of PP.
Bokeh is not vaseline. Vaseline is a blur filter that well, how should I say, is uniformly applied. Bokeh is neither a blur filter, nor does it affect the whole screen. It's ok if you don't like it but don't make it into something it isn't.
System Shock devs said they will have options to disable everything, but I don't know if that will apply to the demo as well or how literal they are with the word everything.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
I call that trash vaseline, you can call it the awesome filter if you wish
the point I was making is that crap/awesome filter like that is part of highest settings these days in most games, and I have no doubt they are using highest settings for screenies here as well.
Obviously people like chiroq, whom I was replying to, and myself, prefer a cleaner look from the pre post process heavy era games.
But yeah, good to hear everything can be tweaked. in the worst case, some injector sharpening will help.
You are the one insisting on vaseline. It's not. It's a fine effect when used in cutscenes or when you are focused on something (like weapon upgrades in crysis). In real life you have this effect too when you look at your screen..
You are the one insisting on vaseline. It's not. It's a fine effect when used in cutscenes or when you are focused on something (like weapon upgrades in crysis). In real life you have this effect too when you look at your screen..
That's depth of field in general. Bokeh is a specific implementation of depth of field meant to simulate a camera lens (the background objects take hexagon shapes etc) which is not quite how it happens in real life.
The 2007 Lost Planet PC port had the first implementation I know of - at least the engine did internally, I'm not sure if they actually shipped it along with the other DX10 enhancements.
As a sidenote, Speed Racer, the movie, had some kick ass custom bokeh filters, for examples the background turned into hearts when Speed and Trixie meet
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TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
@consolitis the shape does not have to be hexagon as stated in the below video (which for whatever fucking reason is embedding itself each time i try to paste is as a link only). Just skip to 1:10
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@consolitis the shape does not have to be hexagon as stated in the below video (which for whatever fucking reason is embedding itself each time i try to paste is as a link only). Just skip to 1:10
That's why I said "etc". The shapes have to expand outwardly(? or is that the wrong word?) or how to say, whether they are a hexagon, circle, cross (Resident Evil 7 uses a cross-like bokeh for example), etc it doesn't matter. But hexagon I think is a very popular choice.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
@consolitis the shape does not have to be hexagon as stated in the below video (which for whatever fucking reason is embedding itself each time i try to paste is as a link only). Just skip to 1:10
That's why I said "etc". The shapes have to expand outwardly(? or is that the wrong word?) or how to say, whether they are a hexagon, circle, cross (Resident Evil 7 uses a cross-like bokeh for example), etc it doesn't matter. But hexagon I think is a very popular choice.
Looks like it's in a very good state. Remember this is pre-Kickstarter footage, so nowhere near final. There will be plenty of time (and money) to improve.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
The fucking vaselined/bloomy graphics really annoy me though.
consolitis wrote:
Looks like it's in a very good state. Remember this is pre-Kickstarter footage, so nowhere near final. There will be plenty of time (and money) to improve.
Video's title might be "System Shock Remastered GAMEPLAY - 2016 Reboot" but..
No one (but me, it would appear..) uses these terms correctly anymore. This is neither of those.
Remaster: there's nothing remastered from the original in this. All assets and even the engine are entirely new.
Reboot: this doesn't look like a reboot to me, when it follows this closely the original. I doubt the story will be entirely different.
What it is, is a remake.
I've seen, very bizarrely, that even the film industry struggles with using these terms correctly, even though they don't have to worry about the term remaster.. still..
What "reboot"? I haven't seen the movie but just from the trailers there are a dozen references to the original along with the cast returning. So how is it a reboot? In what ways did they break from the original continuity? Why not call a sequel.. sequel?
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
Video's title might be "System Shock Remastered GAMEPLAY - 2016 Reboot" but..
No one (but me, it would appear..) uses these terms correctly anymore. This is neither of those.
Remaster: there's nothing remastered from the original in this. All assets and even the engine are entirely new.
Reboot: this doesn't look like a reboot to me, when it follows this closely the original. I doubt the story will be entirely different.
What it is, is a remake.
I've seen, very bizarrely, that even the film industry struggles with using these terms correctly, even though they don't have to worry about the term remaster.. still..
What "reboot"? I haven't seen the movie but just from the trailers there are a dozen references to the original along with the cast returning. So how is it a reboot? In what ways did they break from the original continuity? Why not call a sequel.. sequel?
Except there's absolutely no official definition of what a "remaster" means when it comes to computer games. Whether or not it needs to be using the original assets is completely debatable.
As for this game, the developers are calling it a reboot - and who cares beyond that?
Remaster - regardless of the medium - means going to the original source content (eg art) and, well, mastering it again for release. For games this can be a bit of a loose definition, for example yes, you can produce new textures that actually don't derive from the original ones (which might be lost, or be too low res anyway).
However still there's only so much you can get away from the original definition of the word.. If all textures, sound, geometry, particle effects, engine are different, then no, in no way can it be called a remaster as everything is done from scratch.
What is the term the developers use also doesn't mean much, if it's incorrect. Using random words does not an understanding make.
I suppose it's possible this will break the canon in a big way, but so far it doesn't look like that.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
Remaster - regardless of the medium - means going the original source content (eg art) and, well, mastering it again for release. For games this can be a bit of a loose definition, for example yes, you can produce new textures that actually don't derive from the original ones (which might be lost, or be too low res anyway).
However still there's only so much you can get away from the original definition of the word.. If all textures, sound, geometry, particle effects, engine are different, then no, in no way can it be called a remaster as everything is done from scratch.
What is the term the developers use also doesn't mean much, if it's incorrect. Using random words does not an understanding make.
I suppose it's possible this will break the canon in a big way, but so far it doesn't look like that.
Please link to an official definition of what a remaster means for video games.
If you can't - then you have nothing but an opinion.
That's cool, but in that case - don't be telling other people they're wrong because they don't necessarily agree.
As for calling this a remake - that would make little sense if they intend to change stuff in a significant way. As I understand it, they're going to completely change how cyberspace works - for one thing, and I'm not sure remake would be adequate in that case.
Seems to me that these terms are pretty interchangeable when it comes to this game.
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and it even eats more gpu power 
