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Whats naive is that you made a generalisation like that, as if your limited experience applies everywhere.
So you live in an area with a high asshole:population ratio, but that doesn't mean there are more people acting like assholes in real life then online.
It's basic psychology that when people feel no threat of consequence to their actions they will happily do things they normally can't because they're restrained by consequence. This includes acting like an asshole online. As well as fuck-ups raping women in the aftermath of Katrina. Which you have just admitted, contrary to your previous post.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Dec 2005 20:06 Post subject: |
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It's probably also naive to look at this in the black and white manner you are doing so AnimalMother. The internet can also free people from the shackles so to speak of real life and allow them to express themselves differently on the internet - but that doesn't neccesarily mean to one extreme only, it can mean to the other and in between.
You make a valid point, but there is no way of garnering the numbers for such things and there can be no denying the overwhelming presence of assholes in reality either. So it remains a moot point if ask me.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Dec 2005 20:13 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | D_A_Kuja wrote: | exactly, i scammed so many ragnarok online players for their gold, treated the noobs like a bastard and made em run into high level dungeons, only to loot em after they ve been killed by the very first monster.
but thats only my mmo self, in reality i treat people with more respect because thats the way i want to be treated as well, you reap what you sow. |
so your an asshole in all mmo's ? |
well, next time you see a guy telling you he can increase your gold by 4 times the amount using an in-game exploit and after you hand it to him he runs away with it, its prolly me
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crossmr
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Dec 2005 20:34 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | Whats naive is that you made a generalisation like that, as if your limited experience applies everywhere.
So you live in an area with a high asshole:population ratio, but that doesn't mean there are more people acting like assholes in real life then online.
It's basic psychology that when people feel no threat of consequence to their actions they will happily do things they normally can't because they're restrained by consequence. This includes acting like an asshole online. As well as fuck-ups raping women in the aftermath of Katrina. Which you have just admitted, contrary to your previous post. |
You assume your experience of perhaps not meeting assholes is the prevalent one. I think if you ask around you will find more people who will say they meet assholes everyday than those who don't.
Any city that gets to any size (I"ve lived in small towns from 400 people all the way to cities of 1 million) and its only in the smallest most intimate villages that you do not encounter the daily asshole. You forget that in a city of size people feel uninhibited because they think "when will I ever see that person again?" or "whats this person going to do anyway in a big crowd?"
That releases some people as much as being online releases other people. The majority of the population exists within larger cities (over 150,000) and chances are you if you actually do anything an interact with large groups of people (say driving, taking transit, going to the mall) you're going to run into at least one asshole in the course of your day.
On the other hand for all the online gaming I've done, I can't say that everytime I've logged on I've encountered an asshole. I know they exist, people complain about them, but honestly they're not as prevalent as the ones I meet in real life, nor as numerous.
So who's to say you're experience with meeting more assholes online is right?
The thing about assholes online is that with a little work you can easily insulate yourself from them. Join a private clan with good people and only play on their protected servers, or in MMORPGs join a solid guild and avoid hanging out with random strangers. In real life about the only way you can avoid the assholes is to live in a tiny town and work from home and buy everything you need online. Even then you better hope the phone company doesn't screw up your bill.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2005 05:03 Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | Whats naive is that you made a generalisation like that, as if your limited experience applies everywhere.
So you live in an area with a high asshole:population ratio, but that doesn't mean there are more people acting like assholes in real life then online.
It's basic psychology that when people feel no threat of consequence to their actions they will happily do things they normally can't because they're restrained by consequence. This includes acting like an asshole online. As well as fuck-ups raping women in the aftermath of Katrina. Which you have just admitted, contrary to your previous post. |
You assume your experience of perhaps not meeting assholes is the prevalent one. I think if you ask around you will find more people who will say they meet assholes everyday than those who don't.
Any city that gets to any size (I"ve lived in small towns from 400 people all the way to cities of 1 million) and its only in the smallest most intimate villages that you do not encounter the daily asshole. You forget that in a city of size people feel uninhibited because they think "when will I ever see that person again?" or "whats this person going to do anyway in a big crowd?"
That releases some people as much as being online releases other people. The majority of the population exists within larger cities (over 150,000) and chances are you if you actually do anything an interact with large groups of people (say driving, taking transit, going to the mall) you're going to run into at least one asshole in the course of your day.
On the other hand for all the online gaming I've done, I can't say that everytime I've logged on I've encountered an asshole. I know they exist, people complain about them, but honestly they're not as prevalent as the ones I meet in real life, nor as numerous.
So who's to say you're experience with meeting more assholes online is right?
The thing about assholes online is that with a little work you can easily insulate yourself from them. Join a private clan with good people and only play on their protected servers, or in MMORPGs join a solid guild and avoid hanging out with random strangers. In real life about the only way you can avoid the assholes is to live in a tiny town and work from home and buy everything you need online. Even then you better hope the phone company doesn't screw up your bill. |
Your viewpoints are really flawed due to the fact you fail to understand something. The rude individuals which I spoke of who frequent MMOs,are those people whom you meet in real life daily. So many excuses. I am not saying from you mainly,but from others. Failure of rules and restrictions brings out one's true self. Since there are little restrictions while one is online it allows them to act as a total jackarse. If you were a guy who had scammed hundreds of players out of their MMO life savings(heh),then that leaves me to believe you would do the very same thing within real life if you had the chance. It shows true character. Try to state it does not,but yes it does. I have been a jackass to a certain point when I played MMOs. But I never remember ever jumping onto an MMO to relieve the stress I felt within everyday life,only to take it out on others within game. Nor did I jump on there to blow steam or anger. Now what was that comment about perhaps I need to get out more? Especially considering I am focusing primarily on college instead of playing MMOs. I however respect your opinion. But I have tried to explain my own as thorough as I possibly could.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2005 07:12 Post subject: |
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And from what you say MMORPGs specifically attract assholes. I see no evidence of that, nor do I see any evidence that the average person meets more assholes in a sesions of EQ or WoW than they would living in an average size city on a daily basis.
I simply said that if you have been meeting a significant amount more of assholes online perhaps you need to get out more because you must be leading a fairly insulated life (or a small town) to be avoiding them on a daily basis. I as well am quite focused on college (where I'm a 3 minute train ride from the campus) and haven't played an MMORPG since the summer, but I still run into more assholes everday than I ever did in online games.
People may be less restricted online, but that also depends on the person's personality and whether or not they feel restricted in life to begin with.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2005 07:18 Post subject: |
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You still fail to understand points made. I really do not feel like typing out what I feel you took improperly. I have given my insight more than once now. And I think I will leave it as is.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2005 10:51 Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: | And from what you say MMORPGs specifically attract assholes. I see no evidence of that, nor do I see any evidence that the average person meets more assholes in a sesions of EQ or WoW than they would living in an average size city on a daily basis.
I simply said that if you have been meeting a significant amount more of assholes online perhaps you need to get out more because you must be leading a fairly insulated life (or a small town) to be avoiding them on a daily basis. I as well am quite focused on college (where I'm a 3 minute train ride from the campus) and haven't played an MMORPG since the summer, but I still run into more assholes everday than I ever did in online games.
People may be less restricted online, but that also depends on the person's personality and whether or not they feel restricted in life to begin with. |
In EQ and AO people act like adults.. so the old people set an standar, so not the whole game became as wow... like.. "omfg, n000b you sux, haxxxx"
and i guess the point with this is that is to make the 14 year olds looks stupid whining all the time, and get no attention
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2005 11:43 Post subject: |
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Jeez crossmr you still don't get it, i'm not basing my argument on any personal experience, that would be naive. I'm basing on the psychology of the internet, i'm not saying there are more assholes on the internet, but more people act like assholes. Get it?
Those people you allude to encountering are true assholes, in that they act it in real life, they actually affect peoples lives. Unlike the people who act like assholes online just because it's a way to relieve stress or whatever, they only affect peoples virtual lives, which are alot less valuable, meaningful, permanent etc. Theres a major difference.
Plus, I live in a city with a population of 300,000 and i'm out every day yet I really don't encounter that many assholes, at least not many of the age where they probably use the internet.
See, what i'm saying is out of the specific demographic that uses the internet for gaming, the minority are assholes in real life, because they fear reprisals, but on the internet they fear nothing, so they act how they want. Understand now? You're arguing something irrelevent.
Maybe your definition of asshole if flawed, an asshole does something specifically to piss other people off, not just does something thats inconvinient for you.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2005 16:11 Post subject: |
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So you'r not basing it on any personal experience what are you basing it on? any behavioural studies? Anything at all or are you just making stuff up because you figure its probably true? Yes its been shown that in situations of lowered inhibitions people tend to act more like their true selves. Not everyone sees the internet or an mmorpg as an entirely free spot. If they're in with a guild, they may still restrain their behaviour to keep in their good graces, etc.
| Quote: | | You still fail to understand points made. I really do not feel like typing out what I feel you took improperly. I have given my insight more than once now. And I think I will leave it as is. |
Thats because you haven't provided anything solid to back up your point. You claimed that all MMORPGs are filled with no life jerkers. I've seen the opposite. While in your experience you may have only encountered those types of people, I haven't, and I'm sure there are others as well.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2005 17:25 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | Jeez crossmr you still don't get it, i'm not basing my argument on any personal experience, that would be naive. I'm basing on the psychology of the internet, i'm not saying there are more assholes on the internet, but more people act like assholes. Get it?
So you live in an area with a high asshole:population ratio, but that doesn't mean there are more people acting like assholes in real life then online. |
people who cant admit they said something wrong in fear of everyone knowing theyre human featuring animal mother. It's more than obvious people are prone to their devious ways when the fear of being defaced isnt present. You cant say for a second that theres not millions apon millions of people who scam people secretly every day cause they have a feeling they cant be caught. Doesnt matter how big or small you can choose 1 to disect... how is it naive to look at the bigger picture ... the 10 million or whatever mmorpg players ,could be more i dont care, dont even come close to making a dent on the total ammount of humans on this planet. yet its naive to look outside ur box cause the 3million wow players are the only people you aparently ever talked to who are assholes ....
MMORPGS are a waste of time if you cant maintain time between them and what is truely important. But this is no worse than any other long term game be it MP RTS or FPS they can be equally addicting. For the casual gamer who will put their fare share of weekend gaming inito a mmorpg i dont see how its any worse than playing a regular rpg fps etc etc. You can complain about money but 15 bucks is nothing im sure we all have our own guilty pleasures that make 15 bucks look like chump change. me i quit smoking over 8 months ago with the hike in prices thats 50 bucks a carton if i can survive while smoking i feel obligated to spend some of the saved money on whatever i please.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2005 18:34 Post subject: |
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I'm not talking about WOW or even MMORPG's, but the internet in general...
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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crossmr
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2005 19:31 Post subject: |
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and I covered both. Especially the internet itself. Some people are quite careful about what they post simply because a coworker/boss, etc could happen across that information randomly. Many times I've seen people go to the trouble of making sure to erase journal entries, remove themselves from forums, etc "just in case". Sorry, but again I see no evidence that the internet frees everybody up to be assholes. Some people yes, some people no, some people behave the same anyway.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2005 14:15 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | I'm not talking about WOW or even MMORPG's, but the internet in general... |
and people can affect peoples real lives in all those categories from hacking their accounts stealing their credit card to many other things with a facade that they are free from punishment.
Ispep hit everything on the head mid last page
"You make a valid point, but there is no way of garnering the numbers for such things and there can be no denying the overwhelming presence of assholes in reality either. So it remains a moot point if ask me."
Its true in its entirity and stupid to argue about ... i just thought it was rather rude to get on someones case who was just making a crack at someones comment. Chances are if the only assholes you ever see or the only people who have a temper is online ... maybe u should peel yourself off your computer chair. The only problem is in rl we dont have the pleasure of an /ignore command ...
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