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Thanks! 
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 09:38 Post subject: |
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konkol84
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 10:02 Post subject: |
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maybe it was supposed to be "up to 3%!" !!!!!111oneone
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 11:21 Post subject: |
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according to some unconfirmed news the 1060 is slightly faster than the rx480, but it's priced @ $250.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 11:31 Post subject: |
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AMD has literally nothing when GTX 1060 is released, cant wait for Titan P and 1080Ti prices.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 11:36 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | "up to 3%1"?
wat  |
AMD is probably just high. 
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 12:01 Post subject: |
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what happens next year doesn't exactly sell the cards right now so nvidia doesn't give a fuck. Although I would LOVE to see some proper 780 testing with e.g 2 year old drivers and most up to date drivers to show the differences in performance and any kind of lame PR shit reply from nvidia
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 12:06 Post subject: |
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I bet by next year AMD either disappeared from the market, or they will only release very low end GPUs like RX 540 and 550.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 12:20 Post subject: |
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by proper testing I meant some tech site with a consistent procedure etc.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 12:48 Post subject: |
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| konkol84 wrote: | | what happens next year doesn't exactly sell the cards right now so nvidia doesn't give a fuck. Although I would LOVE to see some proper 780 testing with e.g 2 year old drivers and most up to date drivers to show the differences in performance and any kind of lame PR shit reply from nvidia |
Isn't that described as 'business'?
GTX 780 was released in May 2013 which is over 3 years ago. In GPU world it is pretty old hardware. You can compare it to eg. smart phones. How many over 3 years old models are still receiving official OS updates on a regular basis?
If it was up to me, sure why not. Wish they would still make drivers and updates to all products someone might still use. The reality is that developing and testing those drivers is not free by any mean so in terms of business and making as much profit as possible I totally understand why old products are not receiving such support.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 13:03 Post subject: |
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konkol84
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 13:04 Post subject: |
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but the whole uproar is that they actually decrease the performance of the old cards with new drivers, it's not constant, it's going down. if you had 50fps on rls in Witcher 3 and after a year with the new driver you get 40 then something is rly wrong.
edit: yeah, ninja'd by mort
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 13:14 Post subject: |
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Hmmmmm even if the 1060 is slightly faster than the 480, it probably can't OC for shit like 1070 and 1080 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 13:22 Post subject: |
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Wow.l.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 14:35 Post subject: |
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| reverse stige wrote: | | yeah, the rx480 will be running circles around it with its outstanding 1,5% OC potential |
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 14:50 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | another broken logic
amd 7xxx series are from 2012 and drivers are still optimized for them, why would anyone defend these kind of practices 
780 is still capable card and only .5gb less than it's successor 970, you just need right drivers for it, i did test 780 old vs new driver recently and i had at least 20 fps more with old drivers in games like gta5, witcher 3 etc
if you look at some graphs on tomshardware you will see that some low end cards like 270x are on pair with something like gtx 770, in recent testings
didn't bother to make any videos or even screenshots, people would say it's fake anyway
eat that nV shit up  |
I never said older drivers arent more optimized better than the latest ones. The fact is that latest games require latest fixes and that's why the optimization is not as optimal as it once was. As I've said before it is very typical and natural that company decides not to prioritize an electronic product which has been on market for over 3 years.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 15:26 Post subject: |
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| konkol84 wrote: | | what happens next year doesn't exactly sell the cards right now so nvidia doesn't give a fuck. Although I would LOVE to see some proper 780 testing with e.g 2 year old drivers and most up to date drivers to show the differences in performance and any kind of lame PR shit reply from nvidia |
no framerate was lost in games of the past.
what happened is that kepler optimizations stopped after a while, while maxwell continued. so games where the 960 beat the 780 became more frequent as newer games came out. Couple that with the fact that AMD had GCN across 3 different generations, which meant the 7970 kept getting optimizations much longer than 680/780, and it's not difficult to see why the misconception arose.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 15:30 Post subject: |
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| escalibur wrote: |
I never said older drivers arent more optimized better than the latest ones. The fact is that latest games require latest fixes and that's why the optimization is not as optimal as it once was. As I've said before it is very typical and natural that company decides not to prioritize an electronic product which has been on market for over 3 years. |
I'd tend to agree. While the drivers are coming out, the 3-4 year old card isnt the propriety of the fixes.
I think its a byproduct of optimizing drivers to the new, different, architecture and hardware consequently negatively effecting the old cards. Not an active, underhanded, deliberate attempt to cripple them.
One cannot expect a universal driver, to always have only a positive effect on entire range of 3-4 generations of various hardware, architecture, and builds without the drivers size getting inflated to huge proportions trying to support all legacy code and optimization for every generation of card, at some point you need to move on to streamline the new.
Bad example: But its akin to saying this new ethanol gas doesn't make your old 1990 car run worth a shit. And its because they make it to cripple your car, and not just to make current selling ones that support it run well.
Sure its backwards compatible, they need to make sure of that. But when prioritizing what it gives a boost to, the ones selling get the top billing.
In the end, if you could choose between 2 options:
We can make the current cards only a hair better optimized, but the older non-selling ones stay the same in the driver due to us keeping legacy code.
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We can make the new cards a good bit better, while slightly effecting the older ones.
And your funding was based on that, which would you chose?
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 15:52 Post subject: |
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Exactly. And people forget that testing the drivers even fora BETA stage requires a lot of working hours so it's far for free. Yes we can argue until forever how greedy NVIDIA is but I'm sure there is quite solid reason why the situation is what it is (and what it will be).
ps. I just grabbed one used 780 for 150€ until I get my 1080 AMP! Extreme. Man HD 4600 was just pain to use as a every day gamer.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 16:30 Post subject: |
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I don't know how much wccftech is trustworthy site but there is a word out that Sapphire is working on a special 480, something along their Toxic series.
Another interesting whisper that has reached us is that Sapphire is working on another custom RX 480 design, desides the Nitro. Something that’s very much in line with the company’s Toxic series, which are the highest end offerings by the company. Whether it will actually fall under the Toxic brand or something else is yet unclear. What we do know is that it will definitely be more premium than the Nitro and even faster. We can’t wait to see what the company has cooking up in its labs.
I'm gonna wait and see what will come out of it and if it's gonna be some crap, i'll go with Gainward 1070 Phoenix, the cheapest one, non GLH/GS model.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 16:37 Post subject: |
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| konkol84 wrote: | | yeah, the rx480 will be running circles around it with its outstanding 1,5% OC potential |
AIB partners said they saw an increase from the 1266 "boost" clock to 1500 and, in some cases, 1600 with the RX 480.
Now, in *theory*, 1500 should be enough to beat the 1060 if the current rumors are true. It would also offer more VRAM and remain cheaper than the 1060. (Especially if you end up flashing a 4gb card to 8gb)
In *reality*, who the fuck knows, gotta wait until cards are released. Sub-300$ cards aren't aimed primarily at people who overclock anyway, they're aimed at entry-users. Overclockers are a minority in that segment.
| DXWarlock wrote: |
In the end, if you could choose between 2 options:
We can make the current cards only a hair better optimized, but the older non-selling ones stay the same in the driver due to us keeping legacy code.
OR
We can make the new cards a good bit better, while slightly effecting the older ones.
And your funding was based on that, which would you chose? |
I don't understand why AMD can do it, but Nvidia can't. Especially since Nvidia has more funding than AMD:
https://i.redditmedia.com/9tj-3zWPAzV1oZRhORpU7viD8GQppC1K2BwoAMJnl5A.jpg?w=522&s=7c4a6b6be54bfaa22e56c9356951e4b9
Compare the 280x and 770 in 2013:
http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/00002a4cc/f47c/Crysis-3-Very-High-no-AA.png
http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/00002a4cb/4efe/Bioshock-at-Ultra.png
To the same cards in 2016:
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png
If it's a matter of funding, Nvidia should kick AMD's ass when supporting older cards.
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