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russ80

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Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2016 22:19 Post subject:

proekaan wrote:

My friend has 1080 and especially when watching netflix or browsing content heavy pages it shows.

Hm come to think of it i was having an unusual tearing problem with my fe 1070 / gigabyte in mozilla, but only mozilla. It's gone now on the GS. Not sure if it was the DPC issue or not.

It didn't affect IE or games though in any way. Just mozilla.

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scaramonga

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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2016 04:02 Post subject:

russ80 wrote:

Best be sure. Swap it out for another brand (again). This time, grab the 1070 LF Edition, it's guaranteed to be latency free -4000u.

Smile

On a more serious note.

Yes, there is something with all this DPC nonsense. I dunno what it is?, but I used to be able to hold the mouse much steadier when chugging?? , either that, or Guru3D now renders faster than ever before?

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jesus2
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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2016 09:58 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

i think nvidia will not be able to solve the micro stuttering problem. it may be difficult to cure and impossible to solve the trouble. it is hardware related and the train has left the station... we will see. what country is the country you like most? america.......

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Drowning_witch

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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2016 14:18 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

tearing from DPC latency steam: Drowning witch uplay: Haxeety game completion log: http://pastebin.com/g6MgD5DV rig: http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/2090866

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moosenoodles

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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2016 14:20 Post subject:

Drowning_witch wrote:

tearing from DPC latency Laughing

his video card is crying? Want to watch that water and electrics man, terrible stuff.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/4302967033.png

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russ80

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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2016 18:26 Post subject:

Drowning_witch wrote:

tearing from DPC latency Laughing

Well i have no idea what it does and felt more like laggy scrolling with tearing. Also yt in mozilla was stuttery.

Y u haf to laff?

@ scara i meant my 1070 FE , then my gigabyte G1. Both had that.

My current gainward gs doesn't

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Ampee

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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2016 19:22 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Well bought an Asus Strix 1080 GTX OC and..... -Anyone who says its an overkill for 1080p is not quite right, I get 70 FPS sometimes in FarCry Primal for example (which is more than enough but its quite close to 60 so I wont call it overkill). AC4BF drops to 30-40 fps with physx on. Metro last light is around 50-60 with SSAA 4x. -And it has a very nice coil whine, dont know whether to return it or not.

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farne

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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2016 19:38 Post subject:

Ampee wrote:

Well bought an Asus Strix 1080 GTX OC and.....
-Anyone who says its an overkill for 1080p is not quite right, I get 70 FPS sometimes in FarCry Primal for example (which is more than enough but its quite close to 60 so I wont call it overkill). AC4BF drops to 30-40 fps with physx on. Metro last light is around 50-60 with SSAA 4x.
-And it has a very nice coil whine, dont know whether to return it or not.

Return it. Unless ASUS has changed their ways, the Strix cooler is probably just copy-pasta'd from an older generation of GPU.

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JBeckman
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Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2016 21:40 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Yeah coil whine is nothing new and should be possible to return on for a hopefully at least a somewhat improved variant of said GPU with none or at least less audible whine. (And then there's the whole so-called silicone lottery thing which might result in a better and possibly more stable overclock what with boost sending the core clock speeds all over the place - though generally still pretty high. - with even smaller power and temp changes.) Performance is fine seeing how Black Flag isn't the most optimized game to begin with and the PhysX smoke and debri is set to overkill as usual when they demonstrate the effect in games. (Older non-3.0 version of it too I believe so yeah, poor optimization and likely not taking full advantage of newer GPU models at that.) Last Light isn't particularly well optimized either (Nor the Redux version.) but Nvidia has excellent driver support for the game and that shows as your GPU is essentially running at 3840x2160 (Although true downsampling would be more demanding and a bit sharper in terms of overall image fidelity if I understand everything about that somewhat OK.) but yeah later levels might still see framerate drop a bit but that seems playable to me albeit post-AA and 2x SSAA might be a better choice if you need a more stable 60 FPS. (S&M AA via ReShade or whatever, meaning subpixel & morphological antialiasing. ) Primal I'm not entirely sure about, pretty game even with the various dropped effects from Far Cry 4 (Though it has other improvements in turn.) but probably also a bit poorly optimized and it's taken a number of patches to iron out some of the other bugs too. (Also quite like Ubisoft...sadly.)

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Ampee

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Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2016 10:37 Post subject:

JBeckman wrote:

Yeah coil whine is nothing new and should be possible to return on for a hopefully at least a somewhat improved variant of said GPU with none or at least less audible whine.
(And then there's the whole so-called silicone lottery thing which might result in a better and possibly more stable overclock what with boost sending the core clock speeds all over the place - though generally still pretty high. - with even smaller power and temp changes.)

Performance is fine seeing how Black Flag isn't the most optimized game to begin with and the PhysX smoke and debri is set to overkill as usual when they demonstrate the effect in games. Razz

(Older non-3.0 version of it too I believe so yeah, poor optimization and likely not taking full advantage of newer GPU models at that.)

Last Light isn't particularly well optimized either (Nor the Redux version.) but Nvidia has excellent driver support for the game and that shows as your GPU is essentially running at 3840x2160 (Although true downsampling would be more demanding and a bit sharper in terms of overall image fidelity if I understand everything about that somewhat OK.) but yeah later levels might still see framerate drop a bit but that seems playable to me albeit post-AA and 2x SSAA might be a better choice if you need a more stable 60 FPS. Smile

(S&M AA via ReShade or whatever, meaning subpixel & morphological antialiasing. Razz

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Primal I'm not entirely sure about, pretty game even with the various dropped effects from Far Cry 4 (Though it has other improvements in turn.) but probably also a bit poorly optimized and it's taken a number of patches to iron out some of the other bugs too.
(Also quite like Ubisoft...sadly.)

I'm a bit undecided about returning it or not. I can only hear the coilwhine when the FPS is around 300-400 or 2000-3000. (Sims3, Alien Isolation, Witcher3)
And that is playing with no sound since Im testing it right now.

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JBeckman
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Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2016 10:53 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Ah so that's how it is well that kinda changes things, framerate like that where it can reach into the thousands (IE during still main menu images for example.) will stress the GPU a lot (poorly cooled models can even overheat, sometimes fatally so.) which is why V-Sync or a framerate limiter is recommended. (I myself keep framerate capped around 60 via Afterburner to match the monitors refresh rate.)

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Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2016 14:02 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

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scaramonga

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 00:49 Post subject:

Ampee wrote:

Yup, that is what happens at very high frame rates, most cards will whine at these levels. Best to set a limit in inspector for the games that are prone to this. I had it with FM2016, and discovered the game was running at around 4000fps, no wonder it was squealing lol!!

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Ampee

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 08:11 Post subject:

scaramonga wrote:

Ampee wrote:

Just tried Dying light and it does there too. Limited the FPS via an application (rivatuner?) to 200 and the game runs around 130-180 and can hear the coil whining. I'm still without sounds so in a silent room.
Limiting the FPS to 60 (app or vsync) and it goes away. My dilemma: What if I buy a 120 or 144Hz screen?

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 08:24 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Coil whine can be annoying although it's mostly fairly harmless but it can differ from one GPU to another so if it really bothers you and if the GPU is still covered by the return period or warranty it should be possible to return it although the process can take a while so if you don't have a integrated GPU or a spare dedicated one you won't be able to use the PC until you get the new replacement. There's no guarantee that the new one won't whine either, if you do a search for coil whine you can probably find several posts from people who have sent the GPU back several times until they received one that was either quiet or at least not as sensitive as the other ones. (Something about vibration and frequency, I'm not that good at the actual phenomena behind the issue.) Can also find posts talking about a "burn-in" process where you expose the GPU to high framerates (In the thousands.) for a longer period of time and that can help but I wouldn't personally risk anything overheating unless you have a very good fan/heatsink or water cooling setup, although newer GPU models are also in general pretty sturdy and less sensitive but still something to take into consideration. (The VRM's which generally get pretty hot can be one issue, the ones on the Fury GPU which I'm using are supposedly rated up to some 150 degrees though but you don't really want them to get that hot ever. ) Last edited by JBeckman on Mon, 18th Jul 2016 08:27; edited 2 times in total

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Kanint

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 08:25 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

If you get coil whine under 200fps, I wouldn't blame you for getting it replaced. Getting coil whine at stupidly high framerate is normal, but under 200 sucks. A 144hz monitor would enjoy a 1080 card. Depends on how high the whine is, too. I might not bother for something small.

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Areius

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 11:30 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Sometimes coil whine is due to PSU as well. PC: Yes. Console: No.

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Ampee

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 12:21 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Just called asus and they told me to contact my retailer where I bought the card. I'm gonna test the card more once i get home and test it with sound. Im really undecided.....They sure dont have the card on stock so in best case another 1 month waiting for a card that might be even worse. So far with limiting the FPS to 200 coil whine can be heard in Dying light and bioshock2. Gonna try bioshock 1 and infinte. (and the whining I hear without sound is with the case's all sides up, so fully assembled. its a be quiet case)

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scaramonga

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 12:46 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Yeah, but, 200fps is not needed for most games. Try limiting it to 120, or 100, then test Trouble is, it could be a case of 'better the devil you know', as regards sending it back You may end up with worse coil whine, and you may also end up with an inferior chip?

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Ampee

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 13:05 Post subject:

scaramonga wrote:

Yeah, but, 200fps is not needed for most games. Try limiting it to 120, or 100, then test Smile

Trouble is, it could be a case of 'better the devil you know', as regards sending it back Wink

You may end up with worse coil whine, and you may also end up with an inferior chip?

I had an nvidia 7900 or something like that. When I used a web browser and started scrolling down the pages the card would coil whine Very Happy

and I had hard time telling my friends its not the mouse's scroll whining! Very Happy

So its not that bad, in windows its tottally fine.

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Stormwolf

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 13:13 Post subject:

Ampee wrote:

scaramonga wrote:

Yeah, but, 200fps is not needed for most games. Try limiting it to 120, or 100, then test Smile

Trouble is, it could be a case of 'better the devil you know', as regards sending it back Wink

You may end up with worse coil whine, and you may also end up with an inferior chip?

I had an nvidia 7900 or something like that. When I used a web browser and started scrolling down the pages the card would coil whine Very Happy

and I had hard time telling my friends its not the mouse's scroll whining! Very Happy

So its not that bad, in windows its tottally fine.

Unplug mouse and scroll Razz

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Bob Barnsen

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 17:06 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

- Several custom designs for the GTX 1060 will launch tomorrow at OverclockersUK shop together with the FE. Probably other shops world wide will do the same. - Meanwhile still none are available for the RX 480 yet. Sapphire is rumoured to come out at the start of August. And Asus announced they will first ship them mid of August. source: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/partnerkarten-rx-480-gtx-1060/ And again Nvidia steals the show.

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Janz

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 17:12 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

good for nv, bad for amd. very bad to be precise. people who waited for the cards will most likely now choose the 1060 with a custom design instead of the non available 480. now let the price of the 1070 drop from 479 to 429 and im in

bxrdj

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 20:27 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

evga 1080 on the way ... ended uop with founders edition, and found the FTW online today ...grrrrr fuck ...

Drowning_witch

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 22:51 Post subject:

Ampee wrote:

I can only hear the coilwhine when the FPS is around 300-400 or 2000-3000. (Sims3, Alien Isolation, Witcher3)
And that is playing with no sound since Im testing it right now.

this is normal with pretty much every card. the coil while at 60 fps or even 100fps is what you would wanna RMA for.

Why are you even playing games at that framerate? cap it ffs.

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Ampee

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2016 23:13 Post subject:

Drowning_witch wrote:

Ampee wrote:

I can only hear the coilwhine when the FPS is around 300-400 or 2000-3000. (Sims3, Alien Isolation, Witcher3)
And that is playing with no sound since Im testing it right now.

this is normal with pretty much every card. the coil while at 60 fps or even 100fps is what you would wanna RMA for.

Why are you even playing games at that framerate? cap it ffs.

Its not that im playing at that fps, the games come with uncapped flags, so I started to hear the whining.
Between 100-200 I can hear it but just barley (and in complete silence). At 60 nothing. Maybe im too picky?

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ragnarus

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Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2016 09:01 Post subject: /...	Quick Quote Quote

I an tell you one thing Ampee, there is absolutely zero chance Asus will exchange the card simple because of coil whine . They didnt give a shit about coil whine with my 970 and it happens not at 300 fps or more but even at 60. You will just loose few weeks of waiting for your card to get back from them. i5 6600 + Silentiumpc Spartan Pro, Asus H170-plus mobo, HyperX 16 GB DDR4 2133MHz, Asus GTX 970 Strix OC, 1TB Seagate Barracuda, BeQuiet L8 500W, Zalman Z9 case, crap monitor

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EternalBlueScreen

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Posted: Tue, 19th Jul 2016 10:50 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Shooting in a question; is 1080 Ti not expected until 2017, or can it sneak in by the end of this year?