GYX 1060 Is the better choice for a gamer than the AMD RX48..
Reasoning being that it is....
Faster/cooler/lower power draw/Nv proprietary effects/Nv Drivers widely accepted to be better/AMD future on a shakey nail.
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I was tempted to buy a 1080, but I use a single 1080p@60Hz. Even a 1070 would be a tad too much. I'd rather spend the rest of the cash I have on hand on booze and massages.
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GYX 1060 Is the better choice for a gamer than the AMD RX48..
Reasoning being that it is....
Faster/cooler/lower power draw/Nv proprietary effects/Nv Drivers widely accepted to be better/AMD future on a shakey nail.
GYX 1060 Is the better choice for a gamer than the AMD RX48..
Reasoning being that it is....
Faster/cooler/lower power draw/Nv proprietary effects/Nv Drivers widely accepted to be better/AMD future on a shakey nail.
I was tempted to buy a 1080, but I use a single 1080p@60Hz. Even a 1070 would be a tad too much. I'd rather spend the rest of the cash I have on hand on booze and massages.
I dunno man. i'd easily tap out the power a 1080 has even on my 22inch 1680x1050.
for older games, i'd do it with the awesome AA features nvidia has for dx 9 and older titles. 8x SGSSAA here I come.
and for newer games it's downsampling. 4k downsampled to 1680x1050? yes please.
IMO, the smaller the screen the better the IQ benefits of a high end card become.
with a 4k screen, you are screwed pretty fast. newer games come out, gpu lacks power. not much you can do but lower details. with a smaller screen you can go wild with IQ at the release of a card, and as it ages, you simply start dialing back to your native res, and still keep all the in game maxed details.
I just got a class action lawsuit check for $150 from a DRAM price fixing scheme from 1998-2002 so it looks like I will end up grabbing a 1070 next time a 2 or 3 fan version deal pops up instead of waiting for a free bundled game. Now to just figure out what brand to get as I have gone EVGA for my last 4 nVidia cards and never had any issues with any so for me they are a good candidate.
Wouldn't mind a 1 TB VRAM GPU.
(I would mind the price though but these aren't your usual desktop GPU's after all and the tech might never make it to desktop GPU's at least for the near future but still. )
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AMD unveiled its new Radeon Solid State Graphics Technology to help speed the performance of workstation graphics. Starting at a full terabyte of Radeon Solid State Graphics (SSG), this Radeon Pro technology will provide more than an order of magnitude greater memory capacity compared to existing GPU memory implementations.
The new solution is ideal for the next wave of demanding use-case scenarios including real-time post-production of 8K video, high-resolution rendering, VR content creation, oil and gas exploration, computational engineering, medical imaging and life sciences.
During the world's first demonstration of a Radeon Pro SSG solution, 8K raw video timeline scrubbing was accelerated from 17 frames per second to a stunning 90+ frames per second. As content creators rapidly adopt 8K resolution to future-proof their content, a 5X performance boost will improve quality of life, productivity and efficiency in the editing process.
State of the art content creation, scientific and engineering visualization applications require the processing of big datasets, far larger than can be contained within the capacities of existing GPU memory. Current limitations require slices of data to be processed individually and later merged by software, and often incur significant latency for fetching additional data from system memory. These big data problems discourage developers in these domains from leveraging the advantages of the GPU. Radeon Pro SSG memory addresses the big data problem for GPUs, paving the way for improved performance and dramatically increased user productivity.
"One of the most challenging constraints faced by GPU computing applications is the inability to access terabytes of data," said Raja Koduri, senior vice president and chief architect, Radeon Technologies Group, AMD. "Radeon Pro SSG is poised to not only speed-up processing for many applications with very large datasets, but also to enable new application experiences by utilizing data persistence of non-volatile memory. This will be a disruptive advancement for many graphics and compute applications."
"AMD has a long history of memory technology innovations, and Radeon Pro SSG is the latest example," said Patrick Moorhead, Founder and Principal Analyst, Moor Insights & Strategy. "Larger local memory on the graphics card can speed-up processing for many applications with very large datasets, and should also allow for results with finer granularity and resolution. This will be a notable advancement for many graphics and compute applications."
Memory architecture
When needed information is not available in GPU memory, typical memory architecture requires the GPU to send a request to the CPU. The CPU then retrieves the needed content from CPU memory, or if not there then from a hard drive. This entails considerable overhead that limits GPU performance. With this new GPU technology, a one terabyte extended frame buffer is dedicated to support the GPU. This enables much larger datasets to be loaded locally, connected over a dedicated PCIe bus. When the GPU requests content, it looks first in the local frame buffer and only needs to involve the CPU if the data is not already in the extended frame buffer.
Lineup
Radeon Pro WX 4100 is designed for small form factor (SFF) workstations and provides amazing performance in a half-height card.
Radeon Pro WX 5100 is ideal for real-time content engines and immersive real-time design and manufacturing, including CAD and CAM.
Radeon Pro WX 7100 is fully capable for design engineering and media and entertainment, whether video editing or image creation, and is AMD's workstation solution for professional VR content creation.
Availability
Applications for developer kits are now being accepted. These are available for $9,999. Full availability is planned for 2017.
As for Nvidia they recently announced the P (pascal) series Quadro GPU's the p5000 (gp104) and p6000 (gp102)
Nvidia has announced two new graphics cards for the business market. The Quadro P6000 and P5000 are equipped with Pascal GPUs and feature Nvidia respectively, 24GB and 16GB gddr5x.
Quadro P6000 (with the PC for Pascal) uses the P102 GPU with a full 3840 Cuda cores activated, however like the Tesla P100 Accelerator the product will be available later this year. Nvidia combines the card with 24GB gddr5x.The P6000 has four DisplayPort 1.4 interfaces and dual-link DVI, which according to Nvidia 5k four screens at 60Hz van be controlled.
The Quadro P5000 has been fitted with the GP104 GPU with 2560 cuda cores. The GPU will have 16GB vram, but again it comes with gddr5x. The card has four display ports and dual-link DVI.
Quadro cards support DirectX 12, Vulkan, OpenGL, OpenCL and Nvidia's own CUDA. The video engine supports decoding hevc- and h264 video on 10bit and 12bit. The Quadro's would handle 4k images at 120Hz and 240Hz and even 8k video at 30Hz. The Quadro P6000 and P5000 will appear in October this year. The Quadro cards are aimed at the business market and Nvidia ensures driver optimizations in the professional range, including for Autocad.
Hmm I suppose that would be one thing, what does a modern GDDR5 GPU operate at anyway? Some 300 GB/s with HBM 1 operating at around 512 GB/s at best?
In comparison modern PCI-E SSD's operate at like 3 - 5 GB/s for the fastest models if I'm not entirely out of it.
(I known I've seen 2 GB models from a few different brands now, might even be fast enough to load Bethesda's Gamebryo engine games quickly now. )
Just have to settle for upcoming HBM2 and 16 - 32 GB VRAM in the meantime, for the moment.
Dumb question, perhaps, but are the 1000 series expected to get cheaper once the stock issue gets fixed? I'm thinking of getting a 1070, but i'm gonna wait if they're expected to become cheaper.
Dumb question, perhaps, but are the 1000 series expected to get cheaper once the stock issue gets fixed? I'm thinking of getting a 1070, but i'm gonna wait if they're expected to become cheaper.
They will become cheaper as soon as there is a proper competition for them. Until then....why bother?
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Do you still live back in 1998? This long time dead horse don't need more beating. The myth of AMD drivers being crap and nVidia drivers being great (or even better than AMD's).
Ignore slizza. Use your brain and do your own research to find what you need for a price you can afford instead of getting stuck in the fanboi-war.
Bit of a hefty reaction for someone who's just claiming them to be better and didn't say they were crap.
I also find NV's drivers to be overall better... just my personal experience from having both brands in my house running next to each other. While it shouldn't stop one from buying AMD I still think it is a valid point to take into consideration. Just as the potential of NV screwing you over when their new GEN releases.
I think Nvidia has had more driver issues in the past few years than AMD has, people really need to get out of their caves more often and realize "AMD can't write drivers" is no longer a thing and Nvidia doesn't make perfect drivers either.
When I say better overall I'm not saying the AMD ones are crap or that NV doesn't have problems. Your problem is just that you look with the eyes of a fanboi: extremes.
Even what slizza said is not what you are making out of it.
"But but others out there say this or that!"... just stick to what is being said here.
Bob, stop driving up the prices of the MSI gaming 1070
Sorry.
BTW i just noticed that there exist two slightly different types of the MSI card: The more expensive one with the "X" in name is a bit higher overclocked, but also costs 499€ instead of the cheaper variant with 479€.
The rest seems identical. Will look out for that card instead now.
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Also something regarding AMD and drivers:
I installed Win10 together with the latest AMD driver suite on the PC of my dad (has a 7950). He has two monitors, so i wanted to try out the Eyefinity feature.
Holy hell is that software still terrible slow!
I'm not lying: First starting up the AMD control panel already took 5-10secs before it even showed up.
Then changing one setting for the Eyefinity stuff took ~10secs to apply. And i had to try out several settings.
Compared with the Nvidia drivers the control panel starts for me after ~2secs and settings get applied pretty much instantly.
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