Going Vinyl
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Aug 2016 15:29    Post subject: Going Vinyl
As a kid, I was in love with my father's record player and his boxes full of 70's & 80's hard rock albums and until around 1997-1998, I collected more records than I collected CD's but once that old record player broke, it got replaced with a cheap AKAI one that sounded like crap so the records were moved to the attic and I moved on to CD and MP3 files.

However, two weeks ago, I stumbled upon a Youtube vid that talked about the best affordable record players and the one I liked the most was the Audio Technica LP120-USB. Good quality needle, lots of options, the arm is very easily counter weighted, USB option, etc. so I bought it and hooked it up through the Line-in of my Xonar U7 soundcard. Excellent sound!

But, now it's time to rebuild my collection. I got some classic albums already and ordered some modern albums on vinyl too but was hoping you guys could recommend some classic albums for me. When I say classic, I mean stuff like Dark Side of the Moon, Deep Purple In Rock, etc. etc. Basically, rock, hard rock, heavy metal, the better pop music, etc.

So far I got:

Meatloaf Bat out of Hell
AC/DC Back in Black
AC/DC Razer's Edge
Muse - Resistence
ABC Lexicon of Love
OMD The Pacific Age
Falco (2 albums)
ELO (2 albums)

Any recommendations welcome!
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Aug 2016 15:49    Post subject:
Just to make this clear, I'm not attacking you for your hobby, but I don't like any media which degrades over time and of which you cannot produce an identical copy. CD can also be somewhat troublesome in that light (due to lack of any error detection code and offset correction problem), but that's why we have EAC and ripping off multiple devices Smile

Regarding the old vinyl vs CD "war", the problem is usually in comparison of 500+ euro worth vinyl equipment vs 200- euro CD players (or even playback over PC). Cheaper players may not do oversampling or usually have shitty DAC, filters or amp. But beside that, 48 kHz / 16-bit is practically perfect for playback (96 kHz / 24-bit is meaningful for editing, but for playback it's just a fad).

TL;DR: Raw CDDA PCM sound <3
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Aug 2016 16:38    Post subject:
All media degrades over time so your shit outta luck there, some maybe faster than others but there's nothing out there that's infallible in terms of storing media. I think i have 15 HDD's in my home NAS at the moment and its a pain in the ass because disks drop go unhealthy fairly frequently (probably 6-12 months).

Regards Vinyl it has less dynamic range than CD therefore difference in sound (some prefer more the more compressed sound), you could probably get the same effect out of CD using compression though.
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Aug 2016 16:50    Post subject:
I use vinyl too, not all the time, but own a few albums. I mostly play italo disco, synth and I have to say that the vinyl reproduces some details in songs, that i couldn't hear onto digital.
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Aug 2016 19:34    Post subject:
Kreator.
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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Aug 2016 19:59    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
All media degrades over time so your shit outta luck there, some maybe faster than others but there's nothing out there that's infallible in terms of storing media. I think i have 15 HDD's in my home NAS at the moment and its a pain in the ass because disks drop go unhealthy fairly frequently (probably 6-12 months).

Regards Vinyl it has less dynamic range than CD therefore difference in sound (some prefer more the more compressed sound), you could probably get the same effect out of CD using compression though.

You can record a record playing and get the exact same sound - I'm well aware of this - but for me it's more than just sound. Something about playing records is just so nostalgic and feels fun. I mean, I had my personal cassette deck as a kid and it was a lot easier to play cassettes since a single side was easily 45 minutes long and it was quicker to play but even though records (and singles especially) took more effort, I still preferred them and not just because of the superior sound.

But yes, I don't like the "loudness war" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war ) that's going on with modern CDs. Many so called remastered CDs and albums increase the volume and as a result, the dynamic range drops massively leaving CDs to actually sound worse than the original vinyl albums.

It gets worse when they release fresh vinyl pressings that also have this increased volume because vinyl indeed has a lower range and they're squashing it even more! The new Deep Purple In Rock album is such an example and is getting pretty bad reviews as a result.
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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Aug 2016 02:56    Post subject:
Guy_Incognito wrote:
Just to make this clear, I'm not attacking you for your hobby, but I don't like any media which degrades over time and of which you cannot produce an identical copy.


this is why people should take everything they buy out of the packaging and play with it Smile

most bands I listen to also put out vinyl, seems like cool stuff to collect (I already do the same with movies)



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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Oct 2016 23:23    Post subject:
Just ordered this

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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2016 00:36    Post subject:
Iron Maiden: The Number of the Beast

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Stige




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2016 11:42    Post subject:
Only got Killers from Iron Maiden as Vinyl right now, one of the best albums they ever made if you ask me.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2016 13:31    Post subject:
Sully Erna Avalon Vinyl if you can find, best acoustic sound around


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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2016 13:43    Post subject:
Right now I'm saving every penny to pay the up-front costs for a new house but after that I'm definitely going to collect more records. Iron Maiden is on my list, and Rammstein would make another great addition.

I'm very impressed with the Muse Resistance album I got - very clear sound and nice and warm. When I play my records, I catch myself tapping my foot along far more often than when I play songs off Spotify so there must be something about the sound that sounds better or more appealing to me.
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Nov 2018 07:57    Post subject:
You are right vinyl is so much better, I have hundreds of albums/12", but your taste in music leaves a lot to be desired Very Happy
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