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JBeckman
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:35 Post subject: |
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I'll keep this short and keep it in spoiler tags so we won't clutter the thread with our crap.
 Spoiler: | | Yuri wrote: |
| Mister_s wrote: | | What else should I "harp on about"? |
Nothing, since you clearly are adding absolutely zero to the conversation and just making the thread even more toxic. |
What do you add besides "some guy/review said the game is not good, oh noez!"?
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| Mister_s wrote: | | What would be enough quantity? |
A hub divided in 4, a tutorial level and another where one narrative mission is set is enough quantity? No. 3-4 main hubs with different environments would certainly have been welcome. More variety so to speak. |
They made one big hub instead of 3-4 smaller ones, the quantity is the same. They added variety by using mission locations and changing Prague during the story. Better spend the resources on one very detailed location instead of multiple average locations to unlock the quantity achievement. They made a design choice. Do I like their choice? I won't know until I see their version of Prague.
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| Mister_s wrote: | | You obviously think the hub is small. |
You obviously like making assumptions because I never said the hub is small. I said there aren't enough hubs and that the game has been stated to be smaller than HR by multiple sources. |
You keep talking about length and this being short, so I assume you think the hub is small. I assume by "multiple sources" you mean the two reviews you choose to take as an example. I wouldn't call 30-40 hours short, especially when compared to HR.
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| Mister_s wrote: | | How big should it have been? |
Obviously bigger than one hub which has been divided to mask loading times. Some reviews say that you get to see different sides of Prague via daytime changes and certain events changing the landscape which is appreciated but certainly not enough. Deus Ex has a global conspiracy permeating the events throughout the series so it would have been better to have had more hubs set in various parts of the world. |
You again give your opinion on how it "should be". The team has chosen to create one big hub.
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| Mister_s wrote: | | In what way did you confirm they didn't make enough effort? |
And again going off into tangential directions talking about things that only people privy to the development of the game would know. But from all that I've read, adding in lots of details to the existing Prague hub is great but again, the interiors aren't said to be as well done as the exteriors. NPC models aren't at par with the with main characters. There are many other little things that are not justified considering they took half a decade to develop the game. |
You again choose to cherry pick the negative aspects. Every review talks about how detailed everything is and how impressively vertical the design is, you choose to mention that one review said the interiors don't look very imaginative. Every review talks about the much improved (facial) animations, you choose to mention that minor NPCs don't look as good. Are you privy to the knowledge you mention? How much time does a new engine and new game take? Enlighten me.
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| Mister_s wrote: | | What is enough effort? |
Take a look at The Witcher 3 to see what they created. That's enough effort. They built a game world with things to do, people to meet, meaningful sidequests etc. A complete opposite would be Dragon Age: Inquisition which felt like a thinly disguised MMO filled to the brim with filler and fetch quests. |
Yes let's take Witcher 3 as an example, at all times. That makes sense, comparing every game to the best. Witcher 3 had a lot of repetition and useless crap too btw, but I think that has been discussed enough in the Witcher 3 thread.
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What isn't enough effort? Certainly not a Season Pass with two missions and artificially inflated with booster packs, in-game credits. Certainly not a game shorter than Human Revolution which has taken 5 years of development time to create. Was it interference, internal development problems or something else? |
We have no clue what those two mission are, they might be 50 hours each, so discussing this would be moronic.
I won't take one guy's word who left as the full truth.
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Another interview with the leads on the game state the creation of the new Dawn engine ended up eating time and the other states to add more details to the environment:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/why-deus-ex-mankind-divided-was-five-years-in-the-making-20160713
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Why has it taken five years to get around to doing a sequel and dividing mankind?
Fortier: A lot of it was that the team started working on some new technology, and sometimes things are a little harder than you wish they were. You have good intentions and you think you're going to be ready and we realized that maybe the tools weren't quite there. Just doing little things in that situation becomes hard.
DeMarle: It's a complicated game to make. What we really wanted to do is push the narrative beyond just the branching storylines, and that's hard in and of itself. You could be writing a scene which is a two minute conversation when you play it, but the script is 20 pages long because we have to take into account all of the branches and all of the dialogue that might have been heard, or not heard. That takes a lot of time and a lot of fine-tuning. Also at the same time we're spending a lot of time with the environments. There's a lot of detail and a lot of clutter. |
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This is pretty much the usual development 'problems'. What exactly did you prove with this? Developing a multi-million dollar game is hard and complex? No shit!
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Who knows what other problems were present but everyone will see the end result which seems to be a flawed quality product lacking in areas which it shouldn't have. |
Yep, who knows? So we shouldn't make assumptions right? I thought I was the one making silly assumptions. |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:36 Post subject: |
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Oh my god long useless posts of pure nonsense
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:40 Post subject: |
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It is time Bobovic it is coming it is Deus Ex time finally we can fuck this game!
Did you manage to play Metal Gear Dick with that chinese supercrack?
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:43 Post subject: |
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So what is the official time?
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:45 Post subject: |
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| LaBamba wrote: | | So what is the official time? |
Roughly 44 hours I think though that's Steam's estimated so it can vary but Tuesday 18.00 English time which I think is also GMT+0 or some such?
(~noon in US, afternoon in the EU very simplified.)
EDIT: About 9 hours from until 07.00 here and then 12 to turn that to 19.00 (Standard Steam store update time here in this time-zone, Sweden.) and an additional 24 on top of that, so a bit under 36 hours without Steam rounding up to a day?
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:48 Post subject: |
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44 hours thats 2640 long minutes!
So what you're saying is it could be anytime between now and tuesday 11:59pm US western time?
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:53 Post subject: |
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Yeah if I'm not calculating it entirely wrong and yeah I think the Steam store update period in part of the US corresponds to noon or possibly 1 PM.
(I'm way too bad at time zone conversions.)
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Steam also rounds up so above 24 hours it becomes 1 Day and X hours until there's less than 23 hours until release so my first estimate just took that as 46 hours which was off by a few hours.
They also usually always point to their own standard store update time for new releases and such whereas games can but usually do not set alternative unlock times with popular ones for some games being correspondent to just after midnight and trying to follow regional time zone differences leading to a situation where a Asia or Australia VPN can cut some of the waiting for the rest of the world from a couple of hours to upwards of half a day early even if with Valve it is technically a breach of their EULA but as far as I'm aware there's been no real bans for that practice whereas what with all stats and data gathered it would be easy for them to take action against it.
(But unlocking and playing the game a bit early isn't really harming them financially or anything so why bother compared to say using VPN's to circumvent regional price differences.)
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:55 Post subject: |
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no vpn time? damn. 
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 21:56 Post subject: |
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If its a worldwide rls then we just need the remaining minutes or better nanoseconds until we can start the atmospheric great story (NOT) game with a great soundtrack!
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 22:58 Post subject: |
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If people hadn't poopoo'd the "Augment My PreOrder" we could have all been playing this already.
. . .and then people went and preordered it anyway once the reviews dropped. Sometimes I hate the internet.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 23:02 Post subject: |
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The "early release" tier would have lost all purpose anyway once they delayed the game. They get to pick their own date no matter what.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 23:02 Post subject: |
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| WHEATTHlNS wrote: | If people hadn't poopoo'd the "Augment My PreOrder" we could have all been playing this already.
. . .and then people went and preordered it anyway once the reviews dropped. Sometimes I hate the internet. |
Like i wrote earlier:
At least i only preordered because it will have Denuvo. And i don't want to wait weeks or months for some crack/bypass method.
Also i have nothing else to play currently.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 23:15 Post subject: |
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| Bob Barnsen wrote: |
At least i only preordered because it will have Denuvo. And i don't want to wait weeks or months for some crack/bypass method.
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You just made the Denuvo devs who lurk on this forum very happy. But hey, it's the truth.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 23:27 Post subject: |
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| Kanint wrote: | | Bob Barnsen wrote: |
At least i only preordered because it will have Denuvo. And i don't want to wait weeks or months for some crack/bypass method.
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You just made the Denuvo devs who lurk on this forum very happy. But hey, it's the truth. |
But the thirst to play new games on release day is too strong!!
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harry_theone
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Aug 2016 23:57 Post subject: |
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| Kanint wrote: | | Bob Barnsen wrote: |
At least i only preordered because it will have Denuvo. And i don't want to wait weeks or months for some crack/bypass method.
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You just made the Denuvo devs who lurk on this forum very happy. But hey, it's the truth. |
Well I think Bob paid the India price, which is a completely different deal as well.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 00:22 Post subject: |
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| LaBamba wrote: | | 4treyu wrote: | | LaBamba wrote: | | So what proxy we gonna be using tomorrow to play this fucking nice game? |
So, OrangUtan (supermax) got banned again? What a surprise  |
Its a nonstop ban process very complex process for years and years to come and I am rdy to take these bastards cocks and throw it in their faces! Its probably gonna be Morphineus the whining bitch who will shout out loud and clear with a beautiful womens voice so I get banned immediately. Then he can stroke his dick with happiness. Another ban process complete. |
*shrugs* I didn't even bother reporting you. |
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 00:31 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 00:34 Post subject: |
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@Bob Barnsen | Quote: | | Also i have nothing else to play currently. |
You lie! You've been playing Enderal!
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 01:33 Post subject: |
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| scaramonga wrote: | | So. GMG cheapest ATM? |
When they had it 40% off, yeah. It was fixed to the announced 25%.
If you want the game from a safe and trusted source, GMG is the cheapest safe source.
If you want the truly cheapest source, gray key sites are still best.
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