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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 11:35    Post subject:
i read that apparently the goty release has different achievements and such? its a bit disappointing people who own the game + season pass (technically everything IN the set) dont get the game for free anyway (since all we'd be 'getting' is new achievements)...
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fun fact: Sapkowski, the author of the saga, still refuses to admit that the success of the game brought his books back to the living, got them translated to multiple languages, rocketed the sales and he even got some fantasy award. On some convent few days ago he admitted that he doesn't know or give a fuck about the story in games, he was only consulting the look of the map. He could ask about the story as he knows 1 or 2 ppl who played the game, but he rather surrounds himself with inteligent ppl Reaction

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Who wrote the dialogue and script for the game then? Because whoever did it executed it perfectly.

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 12:01    Post subject:
@PumpAction Writers? O RLY?

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 12:23    Post subject:
well whoever wrote the end to ciri's story in witcher 3 needs a good knee-cappin' though...
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 12:40    Post subject:
konkol84 wrote:
fun fact: Sapkowski, the author of the saga, still refuses to admit that the success of the game brought his books back to the living, got them translated to multiple languages, rocketed the sales and he even got some fantasy award. On some convent few days ago he admitted that he doesn't know or give a fuck about the story in games, he was only consulting the look of the map. He could ask about the story as he knows 1 or 2 ppl who played the game, but he rather surrounds himself with inteligent ppl Reaction

fucking old drunk

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To be fair, he brings up some legitimate points. The translations were available before even TW1 came out. He also said that because of the game the book covers started including art from games, and many people thought they were books based on the game, not the other way around. I would be pissed too if I'm completely honest, especially if the cover art has someone who doesn't even appear in the books ever (like Vernon Roche)
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 12:49    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
konkol84 wrote:
fun fact: Sapkowski, the author of the saga, still refuses to admit that the success of the game brought his books back to the living, got them translated to multiple languages, rocketed the sales and he even got some fantasy award. On some convent few days ago he admitted that he doesn't know or give a fuck about the story in games, he was only consulting the look of the map. He could ask about the story as he knows 1 or 2 ppl who played the game, but he rather surrounds himself with inteligent ppl Reaction

fucking old drunk

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To be fair, he brings up some legitimate points. The translations were available before even TW1 came out. He also said that because of the game the book covers started including art from games, and many people thought they were books based on the game, not the other way around. I would be pissed too if I'm completely honest, especially if the cover art has someone who doesn't even appear in the books ever (like Vernon Roche)
Agreed, but good luck trying to convince the game's ultra-fanbois with that Reaction
Truth is no books = no games, it's the guy's creation and he's more than allowed to dislike/disregard what everyone else does/did with the characters/world he created.

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 12:50    Post subject:
Wasn't only one book translated to English before the games? The rest was translated afterwards.

As for the book covers, it is a valid point but let's be fair - if it wasn't for the games, he wouldn't even reach 1% of the current sales Smile

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 12:57    Post subject:
No scene release for this, be it the GOG vers or Steam?
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 13:02    Post subject:
konkol84 wrote:
Wasn't only one book translated to English before the games? The rest was translated afterwards.

As for the book covers, it is a valid point but let's be fair - if it wasn't for the games, he wouldn't even reach 1% of the current sales Smile



It may be true for US, but in Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Czech Republic and Slovakia his books were always bestsellers. In Poland it has a huge cult following, possibly bigger than Tolkien. He will survive for a few lifetimes with the cash he got from the sales in Poland alone.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 13:15    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
konkol84 wrote:
Wasn't only one book translated to English before the games? The rest was translated afterwards.

As for the book covers, it is a valid point but let's be fair - if it wasn't for the games, he wouldn't even reach 1% of the current sales Smile



It may be true for US, but in Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Czech Republic and Slovakia his books were always bestsellers. In Poland it has a huge cult following, possibly bigger than Tolkien. He will survive for a few lifetimes with the cash he got from the sales in Poland alone.

No offence...but that's like saying a book is a bestseller in the Netherlands, Belgium, Surinam and the Antilles. Or in France, Guadeloupe and French Guiana. In their own right great things, but hardly comparable to having translations in dozens of languages worldwide Smile

From what I gather though, it's not that he doesn't admit the games did great things for his books, but more that he simply does not see the appeal of videogames. He's old fashioned Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 13:21    Post subject:
I'm not sure I get your point, since his books had to be translated to Ukrainian, Russian, Czech etc. They're not the same languages. They're similar only "by ear", but you can't really properly communicate using Polish with a Czech, for instance.

Only an innocent Polish word "szukać" (to look for/seek) can bring you tons of trouble, especially if you're "looking for" someone's sister Laughing

(Czech šukat and Polish "szukać" sound really similar Laughing)
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 13:23    Post subject:
great example Neona Very Happy
If you would use czech word šukat in a same way you would use the polish word szukać to describe what you are doing with Ciri in-game ....

BTW: iirc the books were bestsellers even in spain ... and he even said than spanish ones are one of the best translations

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 14:05    Post subject:
They actually did pretty great in many european countries, even before the game launched. They just weren't considered mainstream because they weren't translated to English and therefore didn't reach US and UK. Still, it's obvious the sales of his books skyrocketed after the games' success. But it's not like he wasn't known as a gigantic ass before Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 14:21    Post subject:
Afaik he said once that he didn't consider games as art and that only books can deliver a good story or something like that . He was so full of himself it was painful to read.

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 14:26    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
konkol84 wrote:
Wasn't only one book translated to English before the games? The rest was translated afterwards.

As for the book covers, it is a valid point but let's be fair - if it wasn't for the games, he wouldn't even reach 1% of the current sales Smile



It may be true for US, but in Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Czech Republic and Slovakia his books were always bestsellers. In Poland it has a huge cult following, possibly bigger than Tolkien. He will survive for a few lifetimes with the cash he got from the sales in Poland alone.


I think you greatly overestimate the amount of money polish writers earn Neon. But still, after the games he was showered with money.
I'm surely not neglecting the fact that the Witcher books are great, but his other writing attempts are not (well at least for me, I couldn't get trough Narrenturm), and I highly doubt that he'll be able to create anything better. And that is the thing which I cannot understand, that he refuses to acknowledge, that the games made even his grand kids (if he has any) swim in money.

As for the covers - the new ones are shit.

This is how my first Witcher book looks like (it's from 1993 - 23 years old Very Happy ):

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 14:28    Post subject:
A question for those who have the GOTY on GOG, does the installer consist of separate installers or all merged into one? I ask, as the one currently doing the rounds has all as separate.

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 14:52    Post subject:
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This is how my first Witcher book looks like (it's from 1993 - 23 years old Very Happy ):

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I'm jelly, I only got the newer edition (still released before TW1 did though Very Happy)

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 14:55    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
I'm not sure I get your point, since his books had to be translated to Ukrainian, Russian, Czech etc. They're not the same languages. They're similar only "by ear", but you can't really properly communicate using Polish with a Czech, for instance.

Only an innocent Polish word "szukać" (to look for/seek) can bring you tons of trouble, especially if you're "looking for" someone's sister Laughing

(Czech šukat and Polish "szukać" sound really similar Laughing)

Sure, but those languages are still quite similar in the sense that the style of the original will work just fine as long as the vocabulary and grammar is adjusted. I can't imagine the English translation being similar to the Polish version at all. If I take Tolkien's works for example, the Dutch translations have a very different style than the English ones did. His style doesn't work if translated directly. That goes for lots of English books (fantasy in particular). German books on the other hand translate to Dutch perfectly fine. And it's not as if Dutch is that much closer to German than it is to English (might seem like that to you, but lots of our semantics are closer to English, Dutch is probably exactly halfway between the two, which is why speakers of those languages can pick up Dutch pretty easily Wink).

My point was the size of the audience though. Do you really think having those translations compares in any way to having the English, French, Spanish, Italian, Nordic (and so on) translations when it comes to the sales? Some of these came out before the games, but the English ones didn't. With just that one you add 320 million Americans and 65 million Brits as potential readers. Not even counting Canada, India or any of the countries that typically read English versions too Wink

Nor did I take into account the immense amount of attention the games drew to the books; I bet that even in the countries that had early translations the games caused a big popularity spike Wink

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2016 15:08    Post subject:
h0rnyfavn wrote:
Afaik he said once that he didn't consider games as art and that only books can deliver a good story or something like that . He was so full of himself it was painful to read.

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The guy is a dick. When I finished reading the books, I looked up the over-arching story and how it locked into the games only to find reviews of him basically saying that the games had nothing to do with his books in a very negative and condescending way. He didn't consider them canon, showed little respect for them and seemed to act as if they were made against his wishes. Were they?

And after reading the books and playing the games, I can honestly say that the games are easily on par. The character of Geralt is very accurate although in the games he's a tad more altruistic whereas in the books he's a bit more of a jack ass. HOWEVER, in the games this may be explained by him having lost his memory + it's better to give players the chance to chose how Geralt act instead of forcing them down the "gimme gold or I do squat" road.
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At the end I think that he maybe just made a bad deal when selling the right for the universe. Maybe he took a one time cash amount in stead of a portion of profit from every game (I have no idea how this works or if it is possible) and after the games, especially the 2nd and 3rd, made a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge amount of money, he's very but hurt Smile

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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Sep 2016 13:41    Post subject:
konkol84 wrote:
At the end I think that he maybe just made a bad deal when selling the right for the universe. Maybe he took a one time cash amount in stead of a portion of profit from every game (I have no idea how this works or if it is possible) and after the games, especially the 2nd and 3rd, made a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge amount of money, he's very but hurt Smile


True, but i still think the success of the games did have a big impact on book sales, so he got a lot of it...
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At the end I think that he maybe just made a bad deal when selling the right for the universe. Maybe he took a one time cash amount in stead of a portion of profit from every game (I have no idea how this works or if it is possible) and after the games, especially the 2nd and 3rd, made a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge amount of money, he's very but hurt Smile


Yeah that might be it. I mean, there was a Witcher prototype before in 2002 so they must have had the license for a long time which might hint that they bought full use for the games. If it's limited in time, it wouldn't take 6 years for a game to appear, that would make no sense. And that would explain why the author is such an asshole about it - probably he didn't expect much from the games and now realized he missed out of a lot more money. Still, as xxax said, the books sales must have soared. They weren't even translated to English before the games were popular AFAIK.
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tonizito wrote:
Neon wrote:
konkol84 wrote:
fun fact: Sapkowski, the author of the saga, still refuses to admit that the success of the game brought his books back to the living, got them translated to multiple languages, rocketed the sales and he even got some fantasy award. On some convent few days ago he admitted that he doesn't know or give a fuck about the story in games, he was only consulting the look of the map. He could ask about the story as he knows 1 or 2 ppl who played the game, but he rather surrounds himself with inteligent ppl Reaction

fucking old drunk

full video:

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To be fair, he brings up some legitimate points. The translations were available before even TW1 came out. He also said that because of the game the book covers started including art from games, and many people thought they were books based on the game, not the other way around. I would be pissed too if I'm completely honest, especially if the cover art has someone who doesn't even appear in the books ever (like Vernon Roche)
Agreed, but good luck trying to convince the game's ultra-fanbois with that Reaction
Truth is no books = no games, it's the guy's creation and he's more than allowed to dislike/disregard what everyone else does/did with the characters/world he created.


I am one who many would consider ultra fanboi of the witcher series. Yet I completely agree with the things highlighted there by Neon.
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He's just bitter because the games are more popular than his books. Can't say I wouldn't feel the same were I in his shoes.
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Sep 2016 19:45    Post subject:
No reason for him or anyone else, to that matter, to be bitter. Games and books don't share the same audiences.

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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Sep 2016 19:57    Post subject:
well that hardly matters...

if you make somethign in one medium that attracts a million fans..

and then someone takes your world/stories/characters, and does a better job with it in a different medium and attracts 3 million fans, then yeah... even though theyre in different mediums, that can still be a reasonable cause for bitterness, since its something you made, and someones made a bigger success of it for themselves springboarding off of your work.

not saying who is right or wrong or who has the right to be this or that, just saying, bitterness would be entirely understandable.
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Sep 2016 20:16    Post subject:
Emotionally speaking, it's quite understandable, obviously.

But you can't REALLY be THAT sad that your cult fairytale, aimed at those that exclusively LOVE READING has been turned into a violent, accessible, nudes filled piece of entertainment that allows you to butcher monsters, kill bad guys, have sex with awesome chicks and be a badass overall...

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