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The MSAA is very selective. It is only applied to a few render targets where aliasing is overly annoying.
Very interesting approach, a big image quality improvement at low performance cost.
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Danyutz
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 10:14 Post subject: |
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Reshade doesn't come in to rescue?
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prudislav
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 10:17 Post subject: |
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| Danyutz wrote: | | Reshade doesn't come in to rescue? |
reshade is injector and injectors are not possible with sideloaded UWP environment
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 10:32 Post subject: |
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No ReShade
Poor performance
Issues loading
Not exclusive fullscreen
Console version better performance
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 10:37 Post subject: |
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PC gaming saved once again!
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 13:29 Post subject: |
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Some progres on cracking Froza been made.. More news on this thread
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2963239#2963239
Becuase win 10 store might take some time.. It might be better focusing on specific thread when it comes to its Copy protection like Denuvo,all win 10 news going to be on this thread from me at least....
"Fuck Denuvo"
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 14:50 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | The MSAA is very selective. It is only applied to a few render targets where aliasing is overly annoying.
Very interesting approach, a big image quality improvement at low performance cost. |
you sure that's intended and not just a rendering technique side effect?
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 15:20 Post subject: |
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| Drowning_witch wrote: | | me7 wrote: | The MSAA is very selective. It is only applied to a few render targets where aliasing is overly annoying.
Very interesting approach, a big image quality improvement at low performance cost. |
you sure that's intended and not just a rendering technique side effect? |
The MSAA on PC is not MSAA anyway. 4xMSAA can't possibly perform worse than 4xSSAA unless you're not actually doing MSAA. It's just hilarious how you're better off doing 4xSSAA (which means downsampling from 2160p "4K" to 1080p..) over 4x"whateverbutnotMS"AA to deal with jaggies. Terrible, terrible job on their part. |
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dethy
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 15:25 Post subject: |
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Are you guys using dynamic preset?
I haz i7 3770k overclocked, 16gb of ram, samsung pro ssd where game is installed, and AMD 390X card with 8gb vram.
I'm using the default preset it found as high, initially performance sucked, went into options, saw that it was locked to 30fps, wtf. Set it to 60 to mach my monitor refresh rate and all is good. Had a couple of races and game was running 60fps. Did download the AMD horizon hotfix drivers. Did do the DDU first before installing new ones like I always do.
I also verified the HDD writes, After about 5 races, total writes was about 700MB with about 690MB of it being when game was first launched doing it's 1st run optimization stuff.
edit: See that RAM usage though? Game almost reserved 10GB of it heh
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 15:36 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Drowning_witch wrote: | | me7 wrote: | The MSAA is very selective. It is only applied to a few render targets where aliasing is overly annoying.
Very interesting approach, a big image quality improvement at low performance cost. |
you sure that's intended and not just a rendering technique side effect? |
The MSAA on PC is not MSAA anyway. 4xMSAA can't possibly perform worse than 4xSSAA unless you're not actually doing MSAA. It's just hilarious how you're better off doing 4xSSAA (which means downsampling from 2160p "4K" to 1080p..) over 4x"whateverbutnotMS"AA to deal with jaggies. Terrible, terrible job on their part. |
Isn't there some "problem" with a fully deferred rendering engine and traditional MSAA?
Which is why 4A switched from MSAA(4x) in Metro 2033 to SSAA 0.5x - 4x in Metro Last Light or why there's such a major performance hit in say Deus Ex Mankind Divided when using MSAA.
Of course now there's also some in-between Forward+ rendering mode and I don't know what exactly Forza uses in it's engine.
(CroTeam apparently favors Forward+ rendering from what I've read.)
Performance wise though I would have assumed FXAA, SMAA or some temporal custom solution (Or SMAA again.) over MSAA or SSAA though on PC there's room for multiple varieties depending on the users preferences and hardware.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 21:45 Post subject: |
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I have a question. So if my friend buy a copy for a Xbox one - is there a way for me to play it on pc? Sorry if it was answered before.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Sep 2016 21:50 Post subject: |
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Log in with his details on MS store on your PC.
Download the game.
Log out.
Log in with your MS account.
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Play.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 01:23 Post subject: |
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To be fair, i run this maxed out with 4x msaa at ultra, 1080p, with no problems what so ever, its pretty smooth, so i bet some patches will iron out those incompatibility issues.. the game is far from broken as far as i can see... but we will see if the next patch will help those ppl with bad performence.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 01:26 Post subject: |
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You run it maxed out on a 1070 along with the latest i7, SSD and 16GB RAM? Holy crap, stop the presses 
The issue here is with it running like shit on hardware that blows the xdurr one out of the water, along with some weird behavior (especially on AMD cards, damn). It runs more than well on any 10XX card + titanX, but it's still a bad port... so far.
Also saw some folks claiming it running well on older processors + 10XX so I'd guess that the issue are on older GPU's not being optimized properly, hopefully there also are some driver optimizations to be done, but more on the AMD side since I'm assuming this game will use async compute thoroughly due to its xdurr roots
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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dethy
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 03:20 Post subject: |
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Is this strictly a dx12 title? Maybe that explains older gpu's are having issues
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 03:30 Post subject: |
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This is a very conflicted game it seems.
I might buy it mainly cos there is a teen in the house who is desperate to have it on his Xbone, as seeing as I would get it for basically £10, I might do so.
However, my PC seems to possibly not handle it - but there is so much conflicted evidence out there its impossible to tell.
Has anyone here got similar specs to me (i7 4970, 970, 16Gb) and having a good time?
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 03:34 Post subject: |
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| dethy wrote: | | Is this strictly a dx12 title? Maybe that explains older gpu's are having issues |
Still, having the 480 blow away the 390X is odd at least, no? Even in DX12
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 03:56 Post subject: |
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I was under the impression that you could only play on the PC OR the Xbox - not both at the same time, as MS checks the key isn't being used.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 05:38 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | | I was under the impression that you could only play on the PC OR the Xbox - not both at the same time, as MS checks the key isn't being used. |
You can't play both at the same time.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 06:51 Post subject: |
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Someone at rin decrypted all the files
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demde
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 07:28 Post subject: |
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The problem was never decryption IMO. Those store games use some additional layer of crap that no one showed it can be cracked or no one cared so far at least.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Sep 2016 12:01 Post subject: |
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so is possible to buy an xbox one key for this and use it directly on pc version without having an xbox? or i must have console to reeedem key and then use it on pc?
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