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Kaltern
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| ixigia wrote: | | Kaltern wrote: | I've been playing it, and yes, it's possibly the best Civ yet - maybe even better than 1 and 2 (IMO).
But... £50?? I'm sorry, but I think this is just too high. When did PC games suddenly get so expensive (I expect it from EA because they're robbing cunts)? I don't mind paying for a great game, but £50 makes me choke a little. Am I alone here? |
You're definitely not alone Kaltern.  On one hand the game offers much more value for the money than the various short scriptmatics around that cost the same, but on the other one, £50 is such an absolutely insane price that I just cannot fathom.
It's also a matter of principle for me. Especially since there will surely be 3-4 expansions down the way (no matter what they say) and the traditional cheaper GOTY repackage available after some months, followed by a Gold one and finally the Complete Platinum. 
The Civ games also suffer deflation more than others, generally it's good for those who wait. So yeah, ISOdemo party now, and legit full game bought during future sales, so that they get rewarded..only reasonably! |
This game is so far utterly absorbing, and if it had been a far more reasonable price, I'd have laid out some simoleons for it immediately. As it is, yes, I'm also going to wait for the 'New DLC coming out' price.
| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | I had a big ass giant war vs Greece, was pretty balanced.
It seems there is no way to attach units to traders ? |
You can attach units to builders, but I don't know about traders - if not, it seems like a really odd oversight.
| VonMisk wrote: | | The AI seems to be cheating. When faced with possibility of loosing a city he magically spawns units (happened once) or spawns barbarians near your least defended town (happened twice) not just a barb village but 3 advanced units for barbarians. |
| inz wrote: | | ^ Dunno about the barbs, may just be a coincidence, but the civ unit spawn could just be them using gold to buy them directly. |
Gold yes, also under one of the government modes (I forget which), you can also buy units directly with Faith - which was an absolute godsend (literally!) when Norway did a surprise declaration of war, followed by about 10 units all converging on my capital. I could almost hear the bearded twat groaning with resignation when my elite Samauri sliced him up
This game is dangerous - it was 2am when I decided it was time to go to bed. And I made it at 5am  And I'm only playing on Prince mode, just to get a feel for the game.
I especially like the AI sending envoys to you to gain your favour, and when you have bigger armies And I did chuckle when I saw the settler's driving about in an RV 
Easily best Civ game thus far.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2016 15:25 Post subject: |
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| MannyK wrote: | awesome game so far. My only gripe is how we don't get exclusive notifications (like that big red button on CIV V) about barbarians near your city and the notifications seems to be a little too crowded
But i am enjoying the new city building aspects, districts and tile management |
I absolutely have to agree with this - my only real issue is the notifications are useless - especially when I was playing on 3-screen mode (the UI isn't centred sadly), and I missed pillaging, barbarian sightings and such like. I was sirens, flashing lights - YOU'RE BEING RAIDED!!! WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED!! - that sort of thing
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2016 15:39 Post subject: |
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Agree.
Also why did they remove the "Alert" state for units ? Sleep mode isn't enough.
And it seems there is a bug in cities build screen, on top they shows the "before last" built item instead of the last one, or is it just me ?
Aaaand they (again) forgot to put an auto trade-route renewal or hinting about which was the previous one.
Brilliant game otherwise indeed.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2016 15:47 Post subject: |
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All can be fixed by either updates, or more likely, mods.
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2016 15:47 Post subject: |
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Meh, game has a lot of issues so far. AI is dumb, it has no idea how to deal with ranged units and prioritizes badly in wars. The only reason Immortal and such difficulties can fuck you over is that they start with a free settler and cheat a lot so if you're unlucky to have 2 aggressive AIs close to you , they can fuck you in the beginning.
AI also is exceptionally AI biased diplomatically, Arabs declare 3 wars against me every single time I let them live after I crush them and every single time they start rebuilding a massive army and declaring again as soon as they feel confident. Ok, whatever, I don't mind that so much, except none of the other AIs give a shit about it and all love him for whatever reason. As soon as I declare my first war in the game against them just to end this cycle of bullshit as they were again building a massive army, every fucking nations thinks I'm a warmonger and hates my guts.
Late game again just becomes a slugfest of boredom as turns take a long time and so it drains all the fun out of it and makes you want to start again, this being kind of my experience with the whole series really.
If you play on low difficulty the game is more relaxed early and you can get away without focusing on building an army, but that kind of makes it boring. If you play on the higher difficulty all you have to do is rush archers and have fun, you are now invincible to the AI and later on without their massive early cheating the AI doesn't seem to be smarter at the higher difficult so yeah ...
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Il_Padrino
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2016 19:12 Post subject: |
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| Kezmark wrote: | Meh, game has a lot of issues so far. AI is dumb, it has no idea how to deal with ranged units and prioritizes badly in wars. The only reason Immortal and such difficulties can fuck you over is that they start with a free settler and cheat a lot so if you're unlucky to have 2 aggressive AIs close to you , they can fuck you in the beginning.
AI also is exceptionally AI biased diplomatically, Arabs declare 3 wars against me every single time I let them live after I crush them and every single time they start rebuilding a massive army and declaring again as soon as they feel confident. Ok, whatever, I don't mind that so much, except none of the other AIs give a shit about it and all love him for whatever reason. As soon as I declare my first war in the game against them just to end this cycle of bullshit as they were again building a massive army, every fucking nations thinks I'm a warmonger and hates my guts.
Late game again just becomes a slugfest of boredom as turns take a long time and so it drains all the fun out of it and makes you want to start again, this being kind of my experience with the whole series really.
If you play on low difficulty the game is more relaxed early and you can get away without focusing on building an army, but that kind of makes it boring. If you play on the higher difficulty all you have to do is rush archers and have fun, you are now invincible to the AI and later on without their massive early cheating the AI doesn't seem to be smarter at the higher difficult so yeah ... |
Yeah, I've seen some crazy shit happen in my games, what happens is the AI is very unpredictable compared to Civ 5, thanks in great part to the Agenda system, which I like, but they need to add a bit more structure to it as sometimes even when knowing their hidden agenda you don't understand why they do what they do. In my current game nearly everyone else has denounced everyone else, except maybe 3 out of the other 7 civs that I've managed to keep neutral to me despite they hating each other (actually I'm friends with one of them). It seems it's much harder in Civ 6 to avoid wars entirely during a full game, which I wouldn't mind as long as there's always a logic reason why it's hard to avoid, so there's that reward feeling when you manage to do it. Don't know, maybe there is and I'm just still missing it
Otherwise, a few bugs here and there that are very easily fixable, the game can be very deep and there's so much more stuff to do and manage, and decisions/compromises to make at very frequent times (like that excellent policy card system, or the city-state envoy system) to keep you busy and not just hitting "end turn" incessantly 
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konkol84
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Oct 2016 19:34 Post subject: |
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On King I already had 2 wars declared to me very early, right after placing the 2nd city. With the 2nd war the AI (Scythia) had a huge advantage in army size, it was easily 15- 20 horsemen, I had like 6 Hoplite units, 3 in each city, and I still managed to hold, build up the army and beat them, it took a lot of time, and finally she asked for peace basically giving me everything she had. Didn't take the war to her. Now we're both behind on science but we have the biggest armies Not sure what to think, with that amount of units she should have crashed me in the very beginning
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Il_Padrino
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Oct 2016 12:29 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | Is there any way to have more notifications?
I have great people discovering new technologies and stuff, but there's no popup saying which ones. With all kinds of shit happening constantly, it wouldn't hurt to have more news about it.
Btw, tutorial appears bugged for me, I destroyed the opposing faction but the game doesn't end (using CODEX release). Does an actual game end?
I'm not completely sold yet, but it's definitely a much better game than Civ V, with a lot more features in the base game. My favorite is Civ 4 (with Beyond the Sword expansion), but I could see this one as a good contender. The districts are a really nice addition to the city building. |
I think the tutorial is bugged, all the popup notifications are there, just not in the tutorial. Great Went to bed quite late yester.. ahem, this morning.. 
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kumkss
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 02:09 Post subject: |
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Shit... played till 4 am. Game is a blast.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 05:25 Post subject: |
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Finished my first full campaign as Trajan on Prince diff. I have to say, even though I was learning the new mechanics (compared to Civ 5) and that I made quite a few early-game mistakes and bad decisions I think this game is more challenging than Civ 5 on the same difficulty. Having now the Civ tree means you need to develop both culture and science regardless of what kind of victory you're pursuing, I used to be able to get lazy with culture, even on Emperor, and I still had enough to stop any Civ from surpassing me with tourism.
Anyways I won the science victory, but only in the year 2037, with less than 50 turns left until the end of the game, and I could have lost as The Aztec had already islamized 90% of the map (including me, didn't get to found a religion) and there was only Norway left with non-converted cities, so I used that good, plentiful roman gold to get Harald to declare joint war on Monty, which may have bought me just enough time to finish the mars colony project and be done with it.
Anyway, I really enjoyed the game and am about to start a new campaign on King, looking forward to be making better decisions now that I experienced much of the new stuff
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 10:15 Post subject: |
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Agree with that.
I finished my first normal game (Prince with Murica) and I must say it was kick in dah ass.
There was 5 AI civs (Germany, France, Kongo, Sumeria and Egypt)
Quick summary
Egypt was defeat by Germany Early on before I even meet her 
Sumeria (my neighbourgh on same continent) and France couldn't expand and stayed with only one big city !
Kongo almost won a culture victory and collected a shit tons of work of art and tourists
France was a pain with their spies but we get allied quickly because she loved me complaining about it ^^
There were some war between France/Kongo, Germany/Kongo but nothing dramatic.
I managed to avoid war but it was close with Sumeria as I clearly blocked him from expansion.
First the game told me I lost @turn 315, btw this was the worst ending screen I ever saw in a game, it just displayed a "You lost !" and nada, no reason, nor who won and how, WTH ?
So I hit the "One more turn" button thinking I will get some more info, but nope.
I continued playing because my aim here was mainly to learn the game mechanics and I find out there was this little (+) symbol on the upper left corner of the victory tab and here it is !
German guy apparently won a religious victory with Catholicism @turn 315 !
I see him coming with several prophets and shit but I thought "yeah go on, I don't care about religion for now..."
What a mistake, isn't it ?
Nevertheless the game let me won @turn 500 by score (I managed to end up with some 100pts ahead of Germans) and it also gave me all corresponding achievements
All in all, the experience was really interesting and AI was coherent in general with their agendas.
And yes, AI will give you hard times unless you have a nice shaped and strong army and won't hesitate to exploit any of your weakness.
I really like how intelligence / diplomacy works, I am going to start a more serious game with Cathy De Medici and let my spies do their things 
Edit: Those damn Barbarians ! They are a thing until the endgame and yes they also know how to use tanks and helis... And this is awesome.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 10:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 11:53 Post subject: |
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| Silent_Lurker wrote: |
German guy apparently won a religious victory with Catholicism @turn 315 !
I see him coming with several prophets and shit but I thought "yeah go on, I don't care about religion for now..."
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haha i love it when they swarm you with their damn apostles and missionaries, wish there was a card that could allow you to "cleanse" them with military.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 12:26 Post subject: |
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Finished my first game on Prince - and launched to Mars in 1983. The game was extremely easy, but I'm guessing that's because I had only one other Civ (France) on my continent - and I eliminated that one using a combination of levied catapults and a bunch of my own Knights. The other 4 AIs did their own thing on other continents - and never really bothered me.
So, for most of the game I was free to prosper. I made a ton of terrible city design decisions - because I couldn't quite wrap my head around the districts - and yet I was way ahead in everything except religion, which I mostly ignored.
The last third of the game was dull - because I was so far ahead, it really didn't seem possible to lose.
AFAIK, the higher difficulties simply give the AIs resource advantages - which isn't my concept of an interesting challenge.
That said, I only ever play these games alone to practice for future MP games.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 13:54 Post subject: |
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dont know, but im finding the game a bit boring
| Sin317 wrote: | | while you can't "turn gay", you can cut off your balls. believe me, you'll never think of women again. |
| zmed wrote: | | Or just a defense mechanism. If you fart, you'll most definitely smell it so your brain tells you it ain't bad as strangerfarts. |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 14:25 Post subject: |
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| Ishkur123 wrote: | | Silent_Lurker wrote: |
German guy apparently won a religious victory with Catholicism @turn 315 !
I see him coming with several prophets and shit but I thought "yeah go on, I don't care about religion for now..."
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haha i love it when they swarm you with their damn apostles and missionaries, wish there was a card that could allow you to "cleanse" them with military. |
There is, its called holy war.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 16:42 Post subject: |
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Are barbarians supposed to be extremely aggressive at start? I'm trying to get into the game so I started at Prince, but every time I start I get surrounded by barbs at early start (~30-40 turns). I feel forced to heavily invest in warriors at the very beginning.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 16:58 Post subject: |
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They're supposed to be extremely aggressive the whole game. I already knew this before my campaign and I can say they never were a problem as I never left my cities undefended. Biggest annoyance coming from them was they chasing my scouts while they were exploring and fleeing from them to avoid being gang raped xD
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 17:52 Post subject: |
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Im also playing my first game on prince as China (large map) and must say game has been quite easy so far. Im on continent with Brazil, Egypt, France, Norway and so far only Brazil and France attacked me. Brazil lost 1 city in that war while doing little damage and France just wanted city-state that i suzerain and never actually attacked any of my cities.
I have only 5 cities, with quite big population and have built only science, commercial, industry and military districts, no religious or culture/entertainment. At around 1700AD im finishing with Industrial era research and moving towards modern.
Because i dont have my religion, i get swarmed with missionaries from time to time, but i dont know what impact does it have on my cities.
Have 10 trade routes, which help me boost my less developed cities and few for gold. Im making around 60g-75g per turn, expanses excluded.
Maybe i was lucky with resources placements but i'll start my new game soon on harder difficulty
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 17:58 Post subject: |
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So finished my first game as Trajan of Rome on Price level. Was very easy, around 1800 i had won a domination victory, my infantry/tanks was rolling over their crossbowman, I even saw a Warrior (?). AI is as crappy as in Civ5, not surprisingly, but I had hoped for more. The game itself seems better, even without any expansions yet.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 18:00 Post subject: |
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| mvp wrote: | | So finished my first game as Trajan of Rome on Price level. Was very easy, around 1800 i had won a domination victory, my infantry/tanks was rolling over their crossbowman, I even saw a Warrior (?). AI is as crappy as in Civ5, not surprisingly, but I had hoped for more. The game itself seems better, even without any expansions yet. |
Yep, pretty much sums up what I'm having. They need to tweak the AI, and it would be perfect.
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Il_Padrino
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 20:57 Post subject: |
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Is Prince the normal level and the AI gets cheats from King onward?
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Oct 2016 20:58 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2016 00:00 Post subject: |
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In short:
Continents - Great idea. You can get different luxury resources on each, so they bring another aspect to overseas trading. I'd only wish if they also had something extra to do with diplomacy.
Districts - Even better addition. They completely changed how the cities are micromanaged. And bring plenty of new and viable builds. Even cities in the desert are an option now.
Wonders outside cities - Good addition, packing all wonders in one city has penalties now.
Build/Diplomacy AI - Fairly competent diplomacy wise, somewhat dumb in placing cities and developing them. AI's character will overrule what would be a great production city, and still go with science or whatever his role is.
War AI - Still more or less pathetic. One unit per hex kills his efficiency. As soon as there are some small obstacles in his way he'll get blocked, stuck, and be useless. Pangea and Continents maps with few mountains appear to bring the best out of him.
Civics/Culture mechanic - Undecided.
Religion - Undecided.
Minus points for lack of graphs, lack of units overview, and crappy city screen.
Extra points for Great People biographies being truly funny, and Cleopatra being such a tease.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Oct 2016 00:29 Post subject: |
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My biggest gripe with the game right now is the lack of easily available information, of which we had plenty in Civ 5, about your current status in the game. For instance, I have no freaking way to know which luxury resources from trades with other civs are currently giving me amenities and you never get notified when one of such trades end, so you just need to keep bugging the other leader and check if they have the luxury available for trade again, sometimes I even think I might be trading for a luxury they're already currently giving me.
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